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Willie

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Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« on: June 04, 2009, 06:26:05 AM »
The Civil 3D 2010 box has been lying on my desk for two weeks now.  After reading the link below, I decided that it should stay there for a bit longer.

http://discussion.autodesk.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=731163&tstart=0

Anybody else having problems with Civil 3D 2010 that is worthwhile to mention?
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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2009, 06:40:08 AM »
I see that all the usual suspects are there, defending what should be unacceptable, and the same arguments about the annual upgrade parade I've been making for about 6 years.  The thing is I've seen and touched the '10 product a little this week.  It did not crash on me (yet) however it did seem much slower at every task I asked it to perform.  Good to see that all the blindly faithful autodesk salespersons, like James Wedding, and Laurie C, are right in there touting the company line.

I'd say go ahead and install it, and experiment with it, just don't migrate all of your projects, before you find out if A) your hardware is up to the task, and or B) the performance issues are not going to impact your business model (production).

Also be warned, there are a couple of interesting 'gotchas' when it comes to setting up the 'new' line coding stuff.
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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2009, 07:30:48 PM »
Laurie C. is what we call in Mississippi, "A Goober". If that clown knew half of what he thinks he does he would be awesome. Insted he's just another ignorant freak.  Just another AutoDesk Tool. He should have his own pull-down!!  :pissed:

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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2009, 09:02:05 AM »
Quote from: Adesk Forum
Error reports are not contact, they're error reports. They go into
massive collection buckets, and the heaviest buckets get addressed as
best as possible. When I say contact, I mean talk to the reseller, ask
them to put you in touch with the regional Adesk folks and the
specialists they have at their disposal.
Had anyone had any luck with that suggestion?

Just curious ...
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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 09:16:30 AM »
Quote from: Adesk Forum
The developer even tells you that they recommend 64 bit OS's., but you still want to blame them for your outdated hardware. Go right ahead and sue too because that will fix things rather than doing productive things like sending error reports and submitting customer support requests.
Link? Seriously, I'd like to know where that information comes from.
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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2009, 09:29:02 AM »
Link? Seriously, I'd like to know where that information comes from.
C3D System requirements page
Quote from: that page
Note: Microsoft® Windows Vista® Ultimate/Business/Enterprise offers better OS memory management over Microsoft® Windows® XP SP2 or SP3. Microsoft Windows XP 64 and Windows Vista 64 are suggested over 32 bit operating systems, due to 4GB of memory being available to applications

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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2009, 09:50:41 AM »
Link? Seriously, I'd like to know where that information comes from.
C3D System requirements page
Quote from: that page
Note: Microsoft® Windows Vista® Ultimate/Business/Enterprise offers better OS memory management over Microsoft® Windows® XP SP2 or SP3. Microsoft Windows XP 64 and Windows Vista 64 are suggested over 32 bit operating systems, due to 4GB of memory being available to applications

Thanks Jeff. I actually was looking at the page two days ago, guess I missed it.

Also from that page.
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Microsoft Windows XP 64 and Windows Vista 64 are supported in 32-bit compatibility mode only.
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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2009, 02:23:33 PM »
yes; so even though the 64 bit OS will addres the extra RAM, the application is actually running in a 32 bit mode...makes perfect sense from here....

the thing is that the MINIMUM system requirements should run the application with reasonable expectations of performance and stability....

or they should specify greater minimums, or make the product more stable on a greater range of workstations, or simply state this product will run like crap on anything other than (THIS) and even when you do have (THAT) system it will still crash on you from time time so get used to it....

from my couple of experiences working directly with the developer usually doesn't resolve the problem during the current release, and there are a few items that remain even after 6 versions have come and gone...
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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2009, 03:37:48 PM »
the thing is that the MINIMUM system requirements should run the application with reasonable expectations of performance and stability....
I would say that this would be a near impossible task, since yours and my "reasonable expectations" may be far different than those of others, or even each other.

To put the minimum that it will run is what they are obligated to do, and software companies have done this for years. Back when my kids were teenagers and I played pc games with them, I learned rather quickly that the "system requirements" printed on the side of the box were really bare minimum's to get the game to start up. If we really wanted to play the game how it was intended to be played, Dear Ol' Dad was ALWAYS adding the newest/biggest/baddest equipment to our home PC's.

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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2009, 03:43:28 PM »
the thing is that the MINIMUM system requirements should run the application with reasonable expectations of performance and stability....
I would say that this would be a near impossible task, since yours and my "reasonable expectations" may be far different than those of others, or even each other.

To put the minimum that it will run is what they are obligated to do, and software companies have done this for years. Back when my kids were teenagers and I played pc games with them, I learned rather quickly that the "system requirements" printed on the side of the box were really bare minimum's to get the game to start up. If we really wanted to play the game how it was intended to be played, Dear Ol' Dad was ALWAYS adding the newest/biggest/baddest equipment to our home PC's.

We both know this about minimum, and why I typically attempt to suggest 3 times whatever the minimum is as the base starting point.  However my point being that should the companies publish minimum specifications there were closer to the median required to achieve reasonable performance and stability, they would find their customer base hating on them less because there would be fewer issues cause by minimum systems.
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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2009, 03:49:03 PM »
They'd probably have just as many pissed off people who bought computers with 4gb RAM, a top end processor, and an expensive high-memory graphics card... when all they do is make shop drawings.

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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2009, 04:30:03 PM »
one can not solve a problem with the same level of thinking which created it...

with thinking like yours we will most likely not ever see a metric to prove the contrary to be true
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Re: Civil 3D 2010 on my desk
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2009, 01:19:55 AM »
I started to use C3D 2010 today.  I got a new computer yesterday.

I must say that their are some improvements with over 2009.  I am impressed with 2010.
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