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Working with old plats
« on: January 26, 2009, 11:43:25 AM »
Just for fun! I've attached a .pdf of the plat if you want more info.


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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 11:48:41 AM »
I would work into them backwards ...and then probably make some wild ass umptions about tangency, and use the lines and curves comands to fir them in....let me see if I have time to play with them...

do you have a bearing on the East west lines, or are they just 'East'? 

And that isn't the Radius shown on that lot line that would be the curve length....
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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 12:20:50 PM »
I would get a copy of a grant deed for the property. Often times, at least out here in the West, the deeds would be more descriptive than the plat. Now, if the deed's description is just "Lot 80 of Grover Estates No. 1", then Michael's method would be used.

While the boundary is described with N, S, E, W directions, the internal lots have varying lengths for the side lot lines. This indicates that the roads are not running true N/S.
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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 01:32:26 PM »
might have to use an adjacent plat for the east west line....or somthing from say the BLM notes for the section...


Yes, decidedly I would want to get some older records (for the section) to establish a better basis of bearing for the original boundary.  Mostly because the way the legal description is written; I think they were using those directions very losely.
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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 01:42:46 PM »
I would try a radius of 60' on the larger curve.  Actually would try offestting the 10' radius across the street first, and see how that worked.
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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 01:54:21 PM »
Quote from: mjfarrell on January 26, 2009, 01:32:26 PM
might have to use an adjacent plat for the east west line....or somthing from say the BLM notes for the section...


Yes, decidedly I would want to get some older records (for the section) to establish a better basis of bearing for the original boundary.  Mostly because the way the legal description is written; I think they were using those directions very losely.


Agreed.  There isn't enough info in the 2 provided drawing.  So need to research prior records for the section breakdown.  I question the png drawing that has "15' Radius" typed in, that looks wrong.

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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 02:03:41 PM »
Quote from: pkohut on January 26, 2009, 01:54:21 PM
I question the png drawing that has "15' Radius" typed in, that looks wrong.

You are correct, as is MJF. I labeled that incorrectly.

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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 02:30:29 PM »
Quote from: Mark Thomas on January 26, 2009, 11:43:25 AM
Just for fun! I've attached a .pdf of the plat if you want more info.




Hi Mark
   We at the east coast city I work for will also use the County GIS and other places of that nature to see what new plats might be near on in the general area as they might have the most current deed that might have updates on the rights-of-way. This can be an exhaustive search or have a title company do it for you if critical. Your county GIS should be a treasure of info if it has had any development in that area. Just thoughts. We have had old plats that were assigned new bearings after the fact with newer surveys that had had easement or expansions of ROW with DOT or city/county ROW takes. Just some of what we have to do. Hope that might also help.

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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 02:33:34 PM »
From the deed ...

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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 02:41:11 PM »
Can I do the records search?  Can I?   I love going to pull records...

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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 02:46:37 PM »
Quote from: Mark Thomas on January 26, 2009, 02:33:34 PM
From the deed ...



Mark
  Do you have any parcel no.'s for any of the properties you are working with?

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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 02:47:25 PM »
Quote from: mjfarrell on January 26, 2009, 02:41:11 PM
Can I do the records search?  Can I?   I love going to pull records...

You can pull all the records you want. 8-)

But keep in mind this is just for fun, not something I'm looking for assistance on.
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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 02:52:41 PM »
Quote from: doggarncity on January 26, 2009, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: Mark Thomas on January 26, 2009, 02:33:34 PM
From the deed ...


  Do you have any parcel no.'s for any of the properties you are working with?

From: http://propmap3.hcpafl.org/
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FOLIO: 0310930000
PIN NUMBER: U-34-28-18-18A-000000-00075.0
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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 02:53:44 PM »


But keep in mind this is just for fun, not something I'm looking for assistance on.
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Understand, here is the link to your county and if you can get an address or parcel or pin no. they can usually provide you with just about anything that has been recorded with little trouble. Just my way of a quick records search. It might be helpful.

http://propmap3.hcpafl.org/main.asp?msize=520


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Re: Working with old plats
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2009, 02:54:16 PM »
Quote from: Bob Wahr on January 26, 2009, 01:42:46 PM
I would try a radius of 60' on the larger curve.  Actually would try offestting the 10' radius across the street first, and see how that worked.

I agree Bob, that follows the intent of the plat.
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