Yes, but it's one of those first things they teach you in school, when they teach you lisp. I thought it should be easy enough that you'd do yourself a world of good to try and figure this simple task out for yourself. Not to appear to have any hard feelings, I just feel that you should begin to make lisp happen for you. You've seen enough code, that if you were to open the vlide, test out a few lines of code and read the help files, the light would start to come on for you. Then those more difficult tasks you've asked for in the past would be less of a challenge for you. At the same time, doesn't Stig have a beginners tutorial on his site, using arc's or something of that nature? If so, you might look into it to get your feet--wait- your feet are wet, the rest of your person wet in lisp.