Topic: Font problem or not ?

[Atreides]

Hello, I have a question if you can help me with this. I tried to search forum about this, but didnt get anything to help me.I'm attaching one file to see what's my problem is ( if I can't explain corectly). The problem is that if i zoom the file few times(untill my 17" screen is full with that file) I almost cant PAN the file, it's so...jerky. I've noticed that it has something to do with font(maybe?). I use text style STANDARD and font Arial. If I change it to font "txt" my problem dissapears suddenly. I'd like to know if this is something that can be repair.

[Willie]

Well, I can't replicate your problem.  Pan and zoom works perfectly. I am using 2008

Have you tried to create a unique style name like and set font to Arial.  I my opinion, nobody should ever change the txt or any other font of the standard style.  Create unique style names.

[Atreides]

Hmm, I've tried this file on 4 different computers and it manifest the same on each(different, powerfull configurations), using Autocad 2004,2006 and 2008. I didnt created any text style, as I said in my first post, text style was STANDARD and font I used was ARIAL. Dont know why my problem doesnt occured to you also, have you tried zooming to full screen and after that to move the hole "thing" from left to right or up down(dont know fore sure but I think that's called PAN. I'm kinda an begginer user  ).

[jonesy]

Some users have reported problems with using TTFonts. We use TTFonts in some of our drawings without any problems, but we dont tend to have a great deal of text in our drawings.

I would have to agree with Willie, we also create font styles, and we dont change the "standard" font away from the txt.

Is there any improvement if you change the font to "RomanS" or another of the AutoCAD "shx" fonts?

[Willie]

Try to wblock everything to a new drawing

[Atreides]

If I change the font to romanS.shx or txt.shx it's working great, I can zoom to my max screen  and pan the file without any problems. Seems like the problem occurs only if I use arial.shx. I know that now the next advice from you would be : "well, then dont use arial font:)", but I must, and I'm trying to get it why this problems occurs.Thanks for replaying.


@Willie, did that, same thing, no improvement.

[jonesy]

When I changed the style here I noticed that some of the text stayed as Arial. At some point someone has "over-ridden" the text in the MText editor. Maybe one of the gurus here could confirm/deny whether this may help slow the panning down (I'm sorry, I dont know enough to help you further).

[Willie]

When I changed the style here I noticed that some of the text stayed as Arial. At some point someone has "over-ridden" the text in the MText editor. Maybe one of the gurus here could confirm/deny whether this may help slow the panning down (I'm sorry, I dont know enough to help you further).

Good point.

Try this lisp file
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2021263

[Atreides]

Took that lisp,same thing.

[jonesy]

Does it happen on all truetype fonts?

also did you read this thread... it gives some information about tt fonts
http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=20733.0

I dont know whether it will help you at all.

[Atreides]

Seems so, I've tried : arial, arial black, narrow, times new roman, Tahoma.

@jonesy : I've read that thread, it seems that Autocad is having some big troubles when trying to work with TTF, because even if you have an very good videocard, all rendering are made by autocad internal own rendering/graphical system(or something like that).

[jonesy]

So a work around until someone comes up with a better idea...

Would it be possible for you to change the font of standard to romans until you have finished your drawing, and then change it back to Arial, or would that cause problems at your company?

Just a thought

[jonesy]

I also just found this link on the Autodesk site... I hope this one might help

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/item?siteID=123112&id=5029605&linkID=9240617

[CAB]

Good find there jonesy.
If that doesn't do the trick, do you have a font called BOLD.SHX?
It is almost identical to Ariel.
As mentioned already, using a SHX font until the final release would be my choice.

[CAB]

After more investigation the BOLD does not have character 206 (Latin I) so there may be problems if you insist on using some of those special characters.
Also there are some Mtext with font over rides.

[craigr]

It works fine on my 2008 LT.

I know that from our experience, when we swiitched to TTF, our dwg navigation did slow, but that was on far inferior machines than what we have now.

On a second note, what language is that in the dwg?

My guess is French, am I right?

craigr

[Crank]

On a German forum I found a arial.shx made by Stefan Wickel.
See the attached file.

[grasu666]

I also just found this link on the Autodesk site... I hope this one might help

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/item?siteID=123112&id=5029605&linkID=9240617

Tried also , no improvment. My problem is with pan at specific zoom, not with slow start-up. I also tried using bold.shx but same thing/problem.

@craigr : Language is romanian, and I dont think computer performance is my bootleneck here. I've tried this file on a quad core Q6600 + 2 GB RAM , 320 GB Seagate, 8500GT video card(tried also on my other computer wich is :E6300@2800 Ghz, 2x1GB DDR2@1000 Mhz, 7600GT video card.

[M-dub]

I'm confused (Surprise, Surprise).  Who's asking the question here?  Seems we've got two different people with the same problem?

[craigr]

@craigr : Language is romanian, and I dont think computer performance is my bootleneck here. I've tried this file on a quad core Q6600 + 2 GB RAM , 320 GB Seagate, 8500GT video card(tried also on my other computer wich is :E6300@2800 Ghz, 2x1GB DDR2@1000 Mhz, 7600GT video card.

Performance is definately not the problem with a machine like that - (I'm Jealous).

Language - No offense meant, I have always been facinated by other languages (& Accents).

craigr

[Atreides]

I'm confused (Surprise, Surprise).  Who's asking the question here?  Seems we've got two different people with the same problem?

My bad, I didnt realised I'm logged with my brothers account:).

[M-dub]

Not a problem!  Just seemed strange is all...

Carry on! 

[jonesy]

I'm confused (Surprise, Surprise).  Who's asking the question here?  Seems we've got two different people with the same problem?

My bad, I didnt realised I'm logged with my brothers account:).

Not a problem... I was getting confused. I thought there was 2 people asking similar questions on the same day.

OK, did you try the font that Crank has attached?

[ReneRam]

Not giving a solution, but just adding some information.
During the past years, depending on the version of AutoCAD and on the different configurations, not only in my company, I have noticed that programs like CorelDraw or similar ADD/Overwrite TTF fonts that become available in AutoCAD.
Last but not less important, I know a big company here in Italy that has different software configurations and have experienced problems with the TTF opening the same drawing with AutoCAD 2005 and with AutoCAD Map 3D 2008; the strange thing was that both computers had the same font, don't remember it at the moment, but in ACAD2005 it was listed with a different font name that the one displayed in MAP2008, although the TTF file was the same.

[Atreides]

I'm confused (Surprise, Surprise).  Who's asking the question here?  Seems we've got two different people with the same problem?

My bad, I didnt realised I'm logged with my brothers account:).

Not a problem... I was getting confused. I thought there was 2 people asking similar questions on the same day.

OK, did you try the font that Crank has attached?

Tried it, it's definitely an improvment, but unfortunally I cant present myself to a customer with those kind of fonts(I dont think they will look nice when its plotted).

[jonesy]

Then the only work around I can suggest is to use a similar font until you are ready to print, then change it once the drawing is complete, then plot.

Sorry I couldnt help you further, so, unless anyone else has any better suggestions, it looks like that may be the easiest wasy of working.

[CAB]

Tried it, it's definitely an improvement, but unfortunately I cant present myself to a customer with those kind of fonts(I don't think they will look nice when its plotted).

You need to try a plot before you make that decision. The font is filled in because the line weight causes an overlap of the interior lines you see when you zoom in that close.

[M-dub]

This might only be a band-aid fix, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

What about creating two macro buttons to toggle between a .ttf and an .shx?  Quick and easy... Cheap and Dirty?  Call it what you want, but I think it would suffice...

^C^C-Style;Standard;arial.ttf;;;;;;
^C^C-Style;Standard;txt.shx;;;;;;;

[Atreides]

Tried it, it's definitely an improvement, but unfortunately I cant present myself to a customer with those kind of fonts(I don't think they will look nice when its plotted).

You need to try a plot before you make that decision. The font is filled in because the line weight causes an overlap of the interior lines you see when you zoom in that close.

I'll try this thing, and come back with results .

[Atreides]

Thanks to all for your answers. I guess I'll have to use differents fonts at least untill printing.Can be closed.