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Title Blocks are usually Placed in PaperSpace
« on: June 24, 2004, 07:18:08 PM »
Title Blocks are usually Placed in PaperSpace
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Title Blocks are usually Placed in PaperSpace
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2004, 07:24:50 PM »
In multiple sheet layouts that works. In my field, the client wants the job on 1 sheet as much as possible, so this is really a "non-issue" for me.

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2004, 07:35:05 PM »
See my response here.
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Re: All Title Blocks shall be Placed in PaperSpace
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2004, 10:53:08 PM »
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All Title Blocks shall be Placed in PaperSpace
Of course.

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2004, 12:54:57 AM »
I concur with MP ... it should be defined within the standards of the company paying for the drawings.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2004, 03:33:27 PM »
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I concur with MP ... it should be defined within the standards of the company paying for the drawings.
But that is true of everything.  If the client wants it on a paper bag with a crayon, and is willing to pay for it, that's what he gets.  I assumed we were discussing general cad standards.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2004, 04:24:56 PM »
We are, but then wouldn't that apply to the company that is paying for the drawings?

I mean if we are discussing what standards SHOULD be, would it be a stretch then to presume that the client who wants his TB in MS is not doing it how it SHOULD be ..... If that is the case,  then these discussions may likely produce some good results. BUT if the final say is that the client has the final say, then if the client wants it in MS then it is correct to put it in MS....this also bleeds over to all other discussions, layers, linetypes, textstyles etc...what the client wants, the client gets....It just so happens that in my office, the client is the business owner, and he has told me that I am to define the standards regarding drawings. So effectively it is what I want...and that being said then, if I want the TB in MS is that wrong? since by proxy I am acting on behalf of the client?
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2004, 03:40:16 AM »
I've always placed TB's in paperspace, until I came to work for my current emplyer, that is.
I like the functionality and flexibility that TB's in paperspace allow.
However, in my current position, all dwg work is done in MS, including TB's.
We only use 1 (A3) Title Block, all blocks are not drawn to scale, in fact almost everything I do here is backward compared to what I would say should be standard ~ but it works. And now that I've used this system for around 4 years my temper and frustration has calmed down.

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2004, 07:02:15 AM »
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However, in my current position, all dwg work is done in MS, including TB's.
Why? Is there some reason they wish to do so?

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2004, 07:17:25 AM »
Cadaver, this is a really unique position ~ everything is set up for the end-users benefit.... the end user being a girl on the shop floor  :horror:
bear in mind that these girls have no technical background....
we only ever use one titleblock (A3) ~ our drawings consist of between 5 and 8 blocks (normally).
The blocks are not drawn to scale, nor are the blocks in some instances technically "correct" ~ the blocks are more "graphical representations" of the manufactured product.
It's hard trying to explain it wthout showing you an actual drawing which I am not allowed to do.
We've tried educating the women on the shop floor but that fish in Finding Nemo springs to mind.. what was her name.. Dorey ?? ~ well I guess you can get the picture.

I'm not saying this is the "right" way or the wrong way~ merely that this is the way that works here and included it as an example that there is always an exception to the rule.

*edited to add*
another important point (from our perspective..) is that the drawings are plotted by the end user by third party software ~ and for some reason it doesn't like paperspace

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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2004, 07:47:45 AM »
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Cadaver, this is a really unique position ~ everything is set up for the end-users benefit.... the end user being a girl on the shop floor  :horror:
bear in mind that these girls have no technical background....
we only ever use one titleblock (A3) ~ our drawings consist of between 5 and 8 blocks (normally).
The blocks are not drawn to scale, nor are the blocks in some instances technically "correct" ~ the blocks are more "graphical representations" of the manufactured product.
It's hard trying to explain it wthout showing you an actual drawing which I am not allowed to do.
We've tried educating the women on the shop floor but that fish in Finding Nemo springs to mind.. what was her name.. Dorey ?? ~ well I guess you can get the picture.

I'm not saying this is the "right" way or the wrong way~ merely that this is the way that works here and included it as an example that there is always an exception to the rule.

*edited to add*
another important point (from our perspective..) is that the drawings are plotted by the end user by third party software ~ and for some reason it doesn't like paperspace


I was just curious, sometimes when the procedures are xplained a better way can be formulated....  then again, sometimes not. :wink:

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2004, 02:53:28 AM »
My 2 cents ...

Generally speaking our title blocks reside in paperspace in typical engineering drawings, drawings that reference one or more models in modelspace, have one or more viewports in paperspace to present views of the models and are annotated in paperspace.

But non model type drawings, like ISOs, schematics, single line diagrams, loop drawings etc. are created entirely in modelspace, including the titleblock, at 1:1. There is no need for viewports, hense no need for paperspace.

This is typically how our clients want us to treat "model" and "non model" drawings, and we happily comply. :)
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2004, 07:44:02 AM »
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But non model type drawings, like ISOs, schematics, single line diagrams, loop drawings etc. are created entirely in modelspace, including the titleblock, at 1:1. There is no need for viewports, hense no need for paperspace.

This is typically how our clients want us to treat "model" and "non model" drawings, and we happily comply. :)
For us, isos are model drawings.  We pull the iso from the 3D model and annotate it.

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2004, 11:19:22 AM »
We are Arch / Struct Engr. firm.  Our TB's are a separate file x-ref'd into each drawing file in paper space.  That way, all TB's are the same and if change  needs to be made to Title Block, we only have to do it once.  (Additional Info like sheet names and sheet numbers are part of the individual drawing - also in PS)

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2004, 11:57:26 AM »
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That way, all TB's are the same and if change  needs to be made to Title Block, we only have to do it once.
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