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jbuzbee

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ObjectDCL SOLD!
« on: February 08, 2007, 01:12:24 PM »
http://sourceforge.net/projects/objectdcl/

What does this mean?  Who is www.DuctiSoft.com?

Enquiring minds want to know . . ..
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2007, 01:20:20 PM »
It means that the source code is no longer available and that DuctiSoft will be building it. Guess?!?
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2007, 01:28:17 PM »
Daron, get your facts straight please !

James, the only people who know aren't talking. Development is proceeding at OpenDCL on SourceForge. Owen is still developing.

The current build is Alpha.07
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2007, 02:00:24 PM »
I'd say now that the genie is out of the bottle, nobody can stuff it back in.  In other words, once you've released code under GPL, I don't think you can un-GPL it.
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2007, 02:05:00 PM »
Quote from: Chuck Gabriel on February 08, 2007, 02:00:24 PM
I'd say now that the genie is out of the bottle, nobody can stuff it back in.  In other words, once you've released code under GPL, I don't think you can un-GPL it.

Considering the time and effort being poured into it at the moment there are obviously a few of us who agree with you Chuck, and some have taken legal advice :-)
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2007, 05:16:50 PM »
Chuck is correct, once code is released under the GPL it can not be taken back. Now the copyright holders to the source code can release future versions of the code under any license they wish but the version that was posted to sourceforge will always be available under the GPL.
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2007, 10:22:30 PM »
So . . .

I've given up on 3rd party apps.  If it doesn't ship with AutoDAD (windows) It's a moot point.  If I can finally get pallettes to work with .net well then . . ..
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2007, 10:32:33 PM »
Quote from: jbuzbee on February 08, 2007, 10:22:30 PM
So . . .

I've given up on 3rd party apps.  If it doesn't ship with AutoDAD (windows) It's a moot point.  If I can finally get pallettes to work with .net well then . . ..

That philosophy can make sense when you are dealing with a proprietary, third-party app, but it tends to break down when you are talking about an open-source app.  Granted, the code base may be such a mess that no sane person would want to attempt updating it, but at least you have the option (and if you have deep pockets you can hire a professional).
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2007, 10:56:04 PM »
deep pockets=my learning curve.  I don't hire out for anything I can't learn my self, except for ObjectDCL.  But that experience taught me to be self sufficient.  If I can't get palettes with .net then I'll stick with VB(A) forms and AutoLISP engines.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2007, 07:43:44 AM »
I like to be self-reliant too.  It's so hard to find people who are trustworthy.  Sometimes hiring a professional is the right solution, but it can be awfully hard to let go of the benefits of D.I.Y.

I didn't realize you had been burned by a hired gun.  Did you write about it on the swamp?
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2007, 08:46:45 AM »
Quote from: jbuzbee on February 08, 2007, 01:12:24 PM
Who is www.DuctiSoft.com?





Whois info for, ductisoft.com:
Registrant:
DuctiSOFT inc.

Domain name: DUCTISOFT.COM

Administrative Contact:
Andreetti, Andrea 



edit by jonesy: removed address and telephone numbers temporarily
« Last Edit: February 12, 2007, 11:25:32 AM by jonesy »
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2007, 08:51:52 AM »
 I've been waiting a week for him to say something.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2007, 08:56:24 AM by Kerry Brown »
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2007, 09:10:20 AM »
Quote from: Kerry Brown on February 12, 2007, 08:51:52 AM
I've been waiting a week for him to say something.
Yeah, he's not been shy elsewhere....
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2007, 08:37:39 AM »
Quote from: CADaver on February 12, 2007, 09:10:20 AM
Quote from: Kerry Brown on February 12, 2007, 08:51:52 AM
I've been waiting a week for him to say something.
Yeah, he's not been shy elsewhere....

Care to elucidate ?
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2007, 05:50:21 AM »
Hmmmm .. very enlightening.
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2007, 07:43:40 AM »
Quote from: Kerry Brown on February 15, 2007, 05:50:21 AM
Hmmmm .. very enlightening.

sarcasm or insider knowledge?
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2007, 11:35:33 AM »
I don't have any insider knowledge regarding the question I asked.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2007, 01:05:15 PM »
Quote from: Kerry Brown on February 15, 2007, 11:35:33 AM
I don't have any insider knowledge regarding the question I asked.

Perhaps "insider knowledge" wasn't the most appropriate phrasing.  Sorry to butt in.  My curiosity got the better of me.
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2007, 09:28:13 PM »
Quote from: Chuck Gabriel on February 15, 2007, 01:05:15 PM
Quote from: Kerry Brown on February 15, 2007, 11:35:33 AM
I don't have any insider knowledge regarding the question I asked.

Perhaps "insider knowledge" wasn't the most appropriate phrasing.  Sorry to butt in.  My curiosity got the better of me.

Curiosity is cool. ... and no butts about it :-)
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2007, 09:47:14 PM »
Quote from: Kerry Brown on February 08, 2007, 01:28:17 PM
...............  Development is proceeding at OpenDCL on SourceForge. Owen is still developing.


As requested, OpenDCL is at :

https://sourceforge.net/projects/opendcl/

May be in Beta testing late next week.
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2007, 01:51:51 PM »
Greetings to all,

As you already know by now,
ObjectDCL has been sold.

It is a fact.

Martin Leduc P.E. and I, Andrea Andreetti,
Are founders of DuctiSOFT inc. and are now owners of all legitimate and legal rights
of this product created by M. Chad Wanless, according to the legal agreement
signed between the two parties.

This transaction is to ensure the survival and proper operation of ObjectDCL.

www.DuctiSOFT.com will be available shortly and will
allow you to download the new official version of ObjectDCL

Thanks again M. Chad Wanless.
Hoping you will enjoy the upcoming version.

Sincerly,



Andrea Andreetti       
President DuctiSOFT inc.
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2007, 12:29:55 PM »
what's the cost?  what if you have a previous version of ObjectDCL?  what is the anticipated service life?  new features?  palettes?  will you be taking suggestions for additional features? 

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2007, 12:48:24 PM »
Riddle me this?  Why would someone buy ObjectDCL when, as I understand it, OpenDCL is coming along great as an Opensource project?

Just inquiring about the future of object DCL, features, etc..

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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2007, 02:53:18 PM »
So ObjectDCL was released under the GPL when the author became ill. Someone purchased the code to--presumably--sell updated copies. But since the code was released under the GPL a branch of the code has been released under the name of OpenDCL?!

Which one are [you] going with?
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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2007, 03:06:23 PM »
Please, don't worry all...

Lot of work was done on ObjectDCL to be more stable.
New feature will be add...and YES for sure...we take all suggestions for future versions.

Why bying ODCL ?...by respect of Chad first and continue his good work.

second, Opensource can be modified by anyone....expert or novice.
so was afraid about the final result and support.

third, I think on honest people who bought a licence of ObjectDCL an was opensource the day after.

Now, Let me introduce you my friend.
Martin Leduc P.E.: specialist programmer engineer.
he made ObjectDCL compatible 2007 many week before all.

I work with ObjectDCL since his first version.
All my work was made with it.

OBjectDCL must stay ALIVE and FUNCTIONAL.

We promise doing our best to not disapoint all of you,....
and to make proud Chad Wanless.

sincerely.
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2007, 03:20:59 PM »
In responce to the message on source forge:
What a crock!!! You cant un-GPL code! Once its realesed under the GPL (gnu) if you re-release modified code, you have to make the source availible to the public.

[ http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic ]
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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2007, 03:28:57 PM »
I wish you luck Andrea and Martin. Sounds like your hearts are in the right place.
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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2007, 10:30:04 PM »
Would someone mind explaining what is going on. I'm quite confused at this point. Why are there now OpenDCL and ObectDCL? What did Andrea pay for, the code?

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Re: ObjectDCL SOLD!
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2007, 11:04:14 PM »
well, it all comes down to enforcement doesn't it?  who's going to make ductsoft  make their source available open source?  If ductsoft provides a palette - well then do I pay for it - or do i sue them for it??  Bill? . . . AutoDESK?
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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2007, 11:08:53 PM »
Word of mouth does a lot, especially in a market as small as the CAD market.
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2007, 11:08:53 PM »
Quote from: Andrea on March 02, 2007, 03:06:23 PM
second, Opensource can be modified by anyone....expert or novice.
so was afraid about the final result and support.

Yes Open source can be modified by anyone, that's the benefit of it. A novice user can download OpenDCL & learn from it. A novice user can not upload there screwed up code to the OpenDCL/SourceForge site. An export user can download OpenDCL & fix bugs & add now features to it. Owen has done a great job at re-structuring the OpenDCL code to be more stable and easy for anyone to expand on it. Chad did a great job with ObjectDCL but he wrote it with only himself in mind, not a community in mind. The OpenDCL community is doing a great job supporting each other & the final result will be amazing.

Quote from: Andrea on March 02, 2007, 03:06:23 PM
third, I think on honest people who bought a licence of ObjectDCL an was opensource the day after.
The ObjectDCL site was down for 1.5 - 2 years, so no one bought a license the day before it went open source...
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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2007, 12:55:45 AM »
Quote from: Andrea on March 02, 2007, 03:06:23 PM
third, I think on honest people who bought a licence of ObjectDCL an was opensource the day after.

The ObjectDCL site was down for 1.5 - 2 years, so no one bought a license the day before it went open source...


There were other sites selling ODCL. Cadopolis and Tenlinks come to mind.
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