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BUMBLEBEE

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Bending a plate
« on: January 11, 2007, 05:30:30 PM »
Anyone know how to model the attached plate (formed) in plain Autocad 2005?
Any and all help appreciated.

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2007, 05:32:27 PM »
draw the side profile and extrude it?

BUMBLEBEE

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2007, 05:37:38 PM »
That's the easy part. After I extrude it, I can't get the slice at the side to come out correctly.

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2007, 05:47:31 PM »
Build it flat, then slice at the bend lines.  Rotate the ucs to the right side and rotate tthe ends to the angles required.

BUMBLEBEE

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 05:58:15 PM »
I tried that too. Had trouble with the fillets.

CADaver

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2007, 05:59:59 PM »
What trouble?

Post dims.

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2007, 06:05:43 PM »
That's the easy part. After I extrude it, I can't get the slice at the side to come out correctly.
if the UNFOLDED plan view has a constant angle on one side, then when folded the angles will be different at each plane.

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2007, 07:05:27 PM »
The thickness of the plate will make some difference. However, a simple solution would be to model the resulting shape with the fillets in place, then slice the object at the appropriate angles .. you will need 3 different slices to ge it correct.
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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2007, 07:47:03 AM »
The thickness of the plate will make some difference. However, a simple solution would be to model the resulting shape with the fillets in place, then slice the object at the appropriate angles .. you will need 3 different slices to ge it correct.
sorta depends on the manufacturing process.  If its cut at the angle, then folded, the result is "compound" angles on the upturned edges and some distortion at the intersection of those edges and the middle edge. 

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2007, 08:02:30 AM »
The  cut edge will be normal to the upper face, so it wont be too easy to get the corners perfect.

is this a one off or do you need a parametric method. ?

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2007, 08:26:29 AM »
Can you supply a dwg for the dims

I can make 3d sat file if you want. 

« Last Edit: January 12, 2007, 08:33:11 AM by SDETERS »

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2007, 08:31:07 AM »
The best thing to do in easy situations, imo, is as Randy said... draw it in the flat, then slice at bend lines, and fold yourself using rotate.

Depending on gage of material, type of process, quality of tooling and a hundred of things, your bend radius will change.

If this is 14ga or smaller, I'd say that in most cases it's safe to use the inside dimensions of the final part as your blank length.  That will give you the solid to draw flat... then cut and rotate about the bend line... then you can simply create a new solid of a quarter cylinder and union it to the parts at each bend, trimming where it looks good (who really cares what the bend corner edges looks like... you'll never get the compound angle right anyways, because depending on the material and manufacturer, it'll pooch out different anyways)

What I'm wondering is this... because I've seen it a hundred times in even my short time doing metal fab work and metal fab design.  After this is formed, do you want that angled side to form a nice planar surface?  Because it won't.

 Now, like I previously said; what Randy advised is best in easy situations where you know the blank.  What I'm thinking is best for you is to model the final part, and work exactly backwards from my first instruction.  With the model of the final part, slice away the corners (One horizontal slice and one vertical slice to remove the bend itself) so that you are left with plates that can be rotated back into the flat shape.

That will give you an ACCURATE blank of your part.

BUMBLEBEE

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2007, 08:59:56 AM »
Here is the part with the dimensions. I tried Cadaver's suggestion about slicing at the bend lines and rotating, but the fillets were a problem. I rotated at the neutral axis though. Maybe I should rotate at the face.

Sdeters, that would be great, I really need the part, though I would like to be able to model the part in acad2005 since I may have to do something similar in the future.

I will try the suggestions and post the results.

BUMBLEBEE

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2007, 09:06:09 AM »
I forgot to say that the plate is 3/8" thick.

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Re: Bending a plate
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2007, 09:27:03 AM »
I forgot to say that the plate is 3/8" thick.
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