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Title: What's new in 2007.
Post by: hudster on March 01, 2006, 11:52:14 AM: http://www.ellenfinkelstein.com/autoCAD.html

All the articles are saying 2007 will be mostly be based around a 3D expansion.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 01, 2006, 12:00:49 PM: Wow, very Rhino like at first blush.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: sinc on March 01, 2006, 12:12:04 PM: From that little blurb, it looks like they did basically nothing except convert everything to 3D. I wonder if that's really the case, or they're just so excited about the 3D stuff that they failed to mention the other improvements...

Hopefully they managed to fix some of the ton of bugs in 2006. I must say, 2006 seems a lot buggier than 2004, which I was using before. I hope that trend doesn't continue.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: whdjr on March 01, 2006, 01:55:05 PM: Based on what I can tell from the Beta there are a few minor fixes but a whole slew of features and updates for 3D solids, modeling, walkthroughs, flythroughs...everything you really need in a 2D package. :pissed:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Mark on March 01, 2006, 02:35:15 PM: Dan will be happy!
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Tables become spreadsheets

Tables now function like simple spreadsheets. You can add, average, and count cells. You can reference other cells and enter expressions, like the ones I discussed above. This makes tables much more useful and flexible. Here's what a table looks like while editing. Is this MS Excel or AutoCAD?
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 01, 2006, 02:40:49 PM: I just hope all the new functionality is fully baked and fully programmable. It isn't worth squat to me if it isn't. Mileages vary of course.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 01, 2006, 03:10:39 PM: Yes, the disclosure Date is today ..

Comparison :

http://www.autocadexchange.com/forum/download_document/231/caef967b085384eb62c4188b073b9508

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I just hope all the new functionality is fully baked and fully programmable.

Some new API stuff, <CUI's etc> ; additions/enhancements to .NET ;
... I wont bother posting lists etc, cause I'm sure the professional commentators all have their releases proof read and ready to go ... :-)
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 01, 2006, 03:13:49 PM: Thanks for the link (strange that the second page is oriented landscape) and the laugh (professional commentators) Kerry.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 01, 2006, 03:17:57 PM: Quote from: Kerry Brown on March 01, 2006, 03:10:39 PM
< snip > ... I wont bother posting lists etc, cause I'm sure the professional commentators all have their releases proof read and ready to go ... :-)

Yep .. Told ya so ..
http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2006/03/autocad_2007.html
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 01, 2006, 03:20:52 PM: Quote from: MP on March 01, 2006, 03:13:49 PM
Thanks for the link (strange that the second page is oriented landscape) <snip >
I've given up being astonished by some peoples impracticality and lack of aesthetics ...

Quote from: MP on March 01, 2006, 03:13:49 PM
< snip> and the laugh (professional commentators) Kerry.
Yeah, I had a giggle as I wrote that ..
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 01, 2006, 03:24:09 PM: Quote from: Kerry Brown link=topic=8864.msg113669#msg113669
I've given up being astonished by some peoples impracticality and lack of aesthetics ...

I hear ya. Funny grammar gets me too. :)

"Code named after a restaurant" -> sure hope that doesn't mean it's half baked. :?

Can't wait to play with it tho. I'm on subscription so theoretically I shouldn't have to wait too long.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 01, 2006, 03:34:37 PM: Quote from: MP on March 01, 2006, 03:24:09 PM
< ... >
Can't wait to play with it tho. < ... >
Would your eMail handle a 594,185KB zip file .. :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 01, 2006, 03:39:25 PM: Quote from: Kerry Brown on March 01, 2006, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: MP on March 01, 2006, 03:24:09 PM
< ... >
Can't wait to play with it tho. < ... >
Would your eMail handle a 594,185KB zip file .. :lmao: :lmao:

It would if sent 10 MB at a time.

Quote from: GMAIL
You are currently using 291 MB (11%) of your 2699 MB total.

Still digging gmail.

:D
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 01, 2006, 03:47:46 PM: :police: You know that WAS a rhetorical question, right ? :police:

Side issue :
The thing that I dislike most about this type of information release is that every opinion and comment and gripe becomes quotable "FACT".

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I heard that < insert your opinion/comment/gripe here >
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 01, 2006, 03:53:18 PM: Quote from: Kerry Brown on March 01, 2006, 03:47:46 PM
:police: You know that WAS a rhetorical question, right ? :police:

Of course, but who can resist?

Quote from: Kerry Brown on March 01, 2006, 03:47:46 PM
Side issue :
The thing that I dislike most about this type of information release is that every opinion and comment and gripe becomes quotable "FACT".

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I heard that < insert your opinion/comment/gripe here >

Nodding.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Serge J. Gianolla on March 01, 2006, 04:31:19 PM: ET is now built-in therefore localised and part of LT too!
Some users are going to be be happy, of course they only had to wait 100.. years
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: whdjr on March 01, 2006, 04:53:18 PM: I think it's just all the Layer tools Serge.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Mark on March 01, 2006, 04:55:19 PM: From Lynn Allen's blog.

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Printing to PDF
Even though we'd really rather you use DWF to share your drawing data, Autodesk realizes that sometimes you just need to create a PDF...you asked for it - you got it! The Autodesk powers-that-be are making it easy for you to print to PDF.

Cool! :kewl:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: LE on March 01, 2006, 04:58:58 PM: Wow...

I wonder what is going to happen to those two apps... out there... blue and acro...
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: whdjr on March 01, 2006, 05:04:07 PM: I have heard some talk that it won't be as good as the two mentioned before and all the capabilities of pdfs will not be supported (as far as printing goes). It's almost like they are including it on paper to save face but not really gonna support it or progress it fully in the software. But still is cool to finally get it in there natively.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Mark on March 01, 2006, 05:04:50 PM: From Lynn Allen's blog.

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Express Tools that would finally grow up and become part of the core program!

Admit it - you're an Express Tool addict (I certainly am) [ no I'm not ]...did you know the Express Tools aren't localized? [ uh ... yes ] That means if you're using the French version of AutoCAD, you'll be using the English version of the Express Tools (so not cool). Each Express Tool that grows up [ if you say so ] they've been around and becomes an actual part of the core program is localized for everyone to use (including you LT users - hoorah!) [ oh yea *sigh* ]. The AutoCAD team has added the popular Layer Express Tools to core AutoCAD (about 17 new tools!).

Sorry but I just can't get excited about this. I can't see how you call that an upgrade. I know a lot of people use them but with a little work on your part and theswamp as a whole you can learn to write your very own express tools ... ones that do exactly what you want.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Serge J. Gianolla on March 01, 2006, 05:07:31 PM: Quote
I think it's just all the Layer tools Serge.

Obviously I did not read to end of article Will. :cry:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 01, 2006, 05:13:22 PM: Quote from: Mark Thomas on March 01, 2006, 05:04:50 PM
< ... >
Sorry but I just can't get excited about this. I can't see how you call that an upgrade. I know a lot of people use them but with a little work on your part and theswamp as a whole you can learn to write your very own express tools ... ones that do exactly what you want.

Something I tend to forget is that the majority of AutoCAD users don't/won't/can't customise the package.

also, the dichotomy between users and programmers requirements tend to colour my evaluations, depending on the hat I'm wearing that day
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: LE on March 01, 2006, 05:14:34 PM: Someone knows the price for upgrading from AutoCAD 2005 ?
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: whdjr on March 01, 2006, 05:29:10 PM: Quote from: LE on March 01, 2006, 05:14:34 PM
Someone knows the price for upgrading from AutoCAD 2005 ?

Too much! :-(
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: ronjonp on March 01, 2006, 06:39:37 PM: Quote from: LE on March 01, 2006, 05:14:34 PM
Someone knows the price for upgrading from AutoCAD 2005 ?

I got quoted $2950 for one seat. (http://www.theswamp.org/screens/ronjonp/emoticons/emoticon--crazy.gif) It drops down to $2800 if you get 5+ seats. (http://www.theswamp.org/screens/ronjonp/emoticons/emoticon--machine_gun.gif)
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 01, 2006, 06:47:12 PM: Quote from: ronjonp on March 01, 2006, 06:39:37 PM
I got quoted $2950 for one seat. (http://www.theswamp.org/screens/ronjonp/emoticons/emoticon--crazy.gif) It drops down to $2800 if you get 5+ seats. (http://www.theswamp.org/screens/ronjonp/emoticons/emoticon--machine_gun.gif)

To upgrade from 2005? YEOW that can't be right and terrible if it is!!!
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: LE on March 01, 2006, 06:52:33 PM: no way jose....

if version 2006 is for $3,750....

Thanks.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Lin-Z on March 01, 2006, 06:57:51 PM: It seems all of the prices are on their way up. If you haven't gotten Civil 3D on subscription yet, best invest in a package of Depends....
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Bryco on March 01, 2006, 08:50:40 PM: The 3d looks great but I can't imagine that many people do enough 3d to want to pay all that extra.
Now that ET is native we'll finally be rid "RAK" as a registered application ( maybe, perhaps)
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 01, 2006, 09:08:51 PM: Quote from: Bryco on March 01, 2006, 08:50:40 PM
The 3d looks great but I can't imagine that many people do enough 3d to want to pay all that extra.
Now that ET is native we'll finally be rid "RAK" as a registered application ( maybe, perhaps)

Yes. it looks great,
but, what extra do you mean Bryco.. 3D is standard. I think there are quite a few peeps who use ACAD 3D and Solids. Perhaps there will be more soon :-)

added:
http://www.theswamp.org/forum/index.php?topic=8873.new#new
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Bryco on March 02, 2006, 12:55:00 AM: Kerry you are right (good poll). I really haven't got a clue about the real world of drafting, we get architectural dwgs for the facility as dwgs but the structurals I've always seen only on paper. Only recently have I seen 3d creep into the arch dwgs and for me it's been a hassle making a 2d xref.
Do you supply a 2d plan to your client?
I haven't used the "Replace Z value" option, but perhaps that makes 3d xref plans fine.
I'm wondering if structural is a little more suited to the existing 3d cad as you can use existing libraries rather than doing one off prototypes.

Anyway, quite the eye opener for me.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 02, 2006, 01:29:12 AM: Bryco, this is probably best in another thread , perhaps one of the Admin will move our posts to the 3D Poll thread ..

Not all our work is Buildings ..Have a look here http://www.theswamp.org/forum/index.php?topic=5794.0

Building plans are generally issued 2d. .. or as requested. We have purpose written software to make our lives a little easier.

I learnt drafting on the board .. and learnt to visualise 3d relationships there. Spacial relationships are a dream in a CAD package after the board.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: hudster on March 02, 2006, 03:46:56 AM: http://management.cadalyst.com/cadman/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=310293

According to this article the DWG format has changed again, back to the days of saving as previous versions again.

This really Pisses me off, I'm sure they only do this to force people to upgrade. :pissed: :pissed:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 02, 2006, 04:25:28 AM: Quote from: Andy Hudson on March 02, 2006, 03:46:56 AM
http://management.cadalyst.com/cadman/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=310293

According to this article the DWG format has changed again, back to the days of saving as previous versions again.

< snip >

Andy,

Just in case you don't know, a change of binary format is required. With the new objects available, previous versions would cack themselves because they wouldn't know what to do.

AutoDesks published guideline is to change binary format each 3 years.

The update required to ARX files is to ensure compatability ie; the ARX files should be built with the same Libraries as the Acad core.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: hudster on March 02, 2006, 04:43:48 AM: I din't know that.

So what happens when you save as 2000? does it just fall apart?
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 02, 2006, 05:51:27 AM: No, Save_As is fine, back to R14 if I recall. Trying to open a 2007 dwg in prior is another thing though :-)
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kate M on March 02, 2006, 11:58:53 AM: Quote from: Mark Thomas on March 01, 2006, 05:04:50 PM
From Lynn Allen's blog.

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Express Tools that would finally grow up and become part of the core program!

Sorry but I just can't get excited about this. I can't see how you call that an upgrade. I know a lot of people use them but with a little work on your part and theswamp as a whole you can learn to write your very own express tools ... ones that do exactly what you want.

Yes, it's an upgrade! Especially for those of us stuck with LT, where, even if we were great programmers, we couldn't get all the functionality of the Express Tools. Maybe now I won't have to hear "Wait -- how'd you do that?" quite so often... :-)
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: whdjr on March 02, 2006, 02:51:21 PM: AutoCad 2007 new API changes (http://arxdummies.blogspot.com/2006/03/autocad-2007.html)

Scroll past the .arx stuff...
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: ELOQUINTET on March 02, 2006, 03:25:48 PM: mark doesn't that bit about tables apply to 2006 not 2007? all of this is possible already?
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 02, 2006, 03:29:49 PM: Quote from: whdjr on March 02, 2006, 02:51:21 PM
AutoCad 2007 new API changes (http://arxdummies.blogspot.com/2006/03/autocad-2007.html)

Scroll past the .arx stuff...

You mean this Will ?
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AutoLISP interoperability from .NET (now you can call LISP function and send/receive parameters from .NET).

I'll be interested to see the final ObjectARX Managed SDK and Help Files. :)
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: sinc on March 02, 2006, 05:31:36 PM: Quote from: MP on March 01, 2006, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: ronjonp on March 01, 2006, 06:39:37 PM
I got quoted $2950 for one seat. (http://www.theswamp.org/screens/ronjonp/emoticons/emoticon--crazy.gif) It drops down to $2800 if you get 5+ seats. (http://www.theswamp.org/screens/ronjonp/emoticons/emoticon--machine_gun.gif)

To upgrade from 2005? YEOW that can't be right and terrible if it is!!!

Autodesk wants everyone on subscription, and they set they're prices accordingly.

Starting with 2005 or 2006, they no longer offer upgrade prices. If you don't buy a subscription and maintain it, you get stuck for a full seat when you want the new version.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: hudster on March 03, 2006, 03:41:54 AM: http://dwf.blogs.com/beyond_the_paper/2006/03/autocad_2007_dw.html

DWF attach, I wonder if this means that DWFs would be useable as Xrefs?
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: BREZI on March 03, 2006, 04:55:00 AM: Can do pdf's.

Nice, will hopefully work, without all the hasle of pdf drivers. :realmad:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: nivuahc on March 03, 2006, 07:49:39 AM: Quote from: sinc on March 02, 2006, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: MP on March 01, 2006, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: ronjonp on March 01, 2006, 06:39:37 PM
I got quoted $2950 for one seat. (http://www.theswamp.org/screens/ronjonp/emoticons/emoticon--crazy.gif) It drops down to $2800 if you get 5+ seats. (http://www.theswamp.org/screens/ronjonp/emoticons/emoticon--machine_gun.gif)

To upgrade from 2005? YEOW that can't be right and terrible if it is!!!

Autodesk wants everyone on subscription, and they set they're prices accordingly.

Starting with 2005 or 2006, they no longer offer upgrade prices. If you don't buy a subscription and maintain it, you get stuck for a full seat when you want the new version.

Yes, they're going to make you an offer you can't refuse... :pissed:

At one time innovation is what drove Autodesk... now corporate greed sits firmly at the wheel and doesn't look to be giving up it's seat any time in the near future.

They have learned well from the Micro$oft overlords.

Here's a new slogan for them:

At Autodesk, the customer is always right
under our thumb, where they can be controlled like the peasants that they are.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Lin-Z on March 03, 2006, 10:05:56 AM: Quote from: nivuahc on March 03, 2006, 07:49:39 AM
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At Autodesk, the customer is always right
under our thumb, where they can be controlled like the peasants that they are.

It's pretty much career suicide for me to laugh at this let alone agree but :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: sinc on March 03, 2006, 10:48:19 AM: Quote from: Lin-Z on March 03, 2006, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: nivuahc on March 03, 2006, 07:49:39 AM
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At Autodesk, the customer is always right
under our thumb, where they can be controlled like the peasants that they are.

It's pretty much career suicide for me to laugh at this let alone agree but :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Yeah, post that over at AUGI and you'd probably get banned... :roll:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 03, 2006, 10:56:30 AM: Quote from: sinc on March 03, 2006, 10:48:19 AM
Yeah, post that over at AUGI and you'd probably get banned... :roll:

What a great idea.

:evil:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Jim Yadon on March 12, 2006, 02:19:47 AM: :evil: I know some of you aren't too thrilled about 2007 but I am tickled pink. :evil:
I just spent all evening playing with it after I got finished unpacking my desk. It's fluid and has some really cool tools for folks that are into 3d work. I am still trying to break it. I'm sure there's at least few of you who could break it programmatically but I'm trying to do it from the inside. If it'll hold up, then I can sell my boss on upgrading.
I'm telling you though, while corperate greed may drive the bus, they are passing out good dope to keep the passengers quiet. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 12, 2006, 10:15:39 AM: Thanks for the field report Jay. As one who plays in a "mostly 3D camp" I can't wait -- now you've made it just a little tougher. Thanks a lot.

:P
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Jim Yadon on March 12, 2006, 10:42:12 AM: Quote from: MP on March 12, 2006, 10:15:39 AM
Thanks for the field report Jay. As one who plays in a "mostly 3D camp" I can't wait -- now you've made it just a little tougher. Thanks a lot.

:P

Sorry... I know the truth can be painful. The part that I left out. Ssytem Requirements are high enough that I doubt many people will jump on the band wagon for it right away. I am deliberately running it on a system that has 1/2 the minimum RAM and am considering putting it on a machine that has a processer that clocks at about 2/3 of the minimum just to see what happens.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Dinosaur on March 12, 2006, 11:51:32 AM: I haven't heard what these minimum specs might be. We are currently running 2006 Civil 3D with AMD 2800 to 3500 chips and 2gb memory with no problems - How does this compare to the minimums for 2007?
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Jim Yadon on March 12, 2006, 11:58:35 AM: Quote from: Dinosaur on March 12, 2006, 11:51:32 AM
I haven't heard what these minimum specs might be. We are currently running 2006 Civil 3D with AMD 2800 to 3500 chips and 2gb memory with no problems - How does this compare to the minimums for 2007?

You'l be fine. I don't have my cheat sheet handy but if I can recall correctly it is P4 3.0g or better with 2G of RAM. There's a V-card spec too but I can't recall the memory requirements. I look in a bit and see if I can find them.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MP on March 12, 2006, 12:11:03 PM: Quote from: JAY on March 12, 2006, 10:42:12 AM
Sorry... I know the truth can be painful. The part that I left out. Ssytem Requirements are high enough that I doubt many people will jump on the band wagon for it right away. I am deliberately running it on a system that has 1/2 the minimum RAM and am considering putting it on a machine that has a processer that clocks at about 2/3 of the minimum just to see what happens.

I have a P4, 3Ghz, 1 Gb ram so it should be ok with a minor ram upgrade, tho I don't mind a reason to upgrade to lots more horse power. Hmmm ...
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Dinosaur on March 12, 2006, 12:13:26 PM: Thanks, I am not too worried about the video since we can't really push the 3D in civil applications. I think we have ATI 128 mb and nVidea quatro 128 mb that are well above what we really need.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Mark on March 12, 2006, 01:31:17 PM: Just for fun I looked up the requirements for micro station .... interesting, very interesting.

[ http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Products/MicroStation/tech+reqs.htm ]

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Processor: Intel® Pentium® or AMD AthlonTM.

Operating System: Microsoft Windows® 2000 (SP2 or higher recommended*), Windows XP Professional, Windows NT® 4 (SP6 recommended*), Windows 98 (Second Edition recommended)**, Windows Me**,
Windows XP Home Edition.

Microsoft Internet Explorer v5.5 or better, Cipher Strength: 128-bit*.

Memory: 128MB (256MB or more typically results in better performance). Note that at least 64MB of memory should be available for each session of MicroStation. Discipline-specific applications may have additional memory requirements.

Hard Disk: 200MB minimum free disk space.

Input Device: Mouse or digitizing tablet (digitizing tablet requires vendor-supplied WINTAB driver or Bentley’s Digitizer Tablet Interface -- the latter is included with the product installation).

Output Device: Most industry-standard devices are supported. Works with output devices supported by Windows.

Video: Supported graphics card. Dual screen graphics supported with vendor-supplied drivers for Windows NT 4. Multi-monitor configurations supported with Windows XP, Windows 2000, and Windows 98.

* - required for Digital Rights
** - Digital Rights not supported
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Dinosaur on March 12, 2006, 05:28:20 PM: AutoCAD always has wanted to soak up every scrap of resources you could trow at it, but I hope Civil 3D's appetite isn't going to become the norm for all of AutoCAD applications. I have seen it "run" on 256 mb laptops (actually most of the time was spent watching it slowly crash and rebooting), but 512 mb seems to be the practical minimum. The only ones that I hear that are finding it stable have 1.5 to 2 gb installed. If standard AutoCAD starts requiring this much horsepower a lot of good hardware just became obsolete.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: sinc on March 12, 2006, 10:49:19 PM: Quote from: Dinosaur on March 12, 2006, 12:13:26 PM
Thanks, I am not too worried about the video since we can't really push the 3D in civil applications. I think we have ATI 128 mb and nVidea quatro 128 mb that are well above what we really need.

From what I hear, the minimum is an Open-GL graphics card with 128MB minimum, so I think those cards are just barely enough... :-o

That's just for the new 3D-stuff, though. It's supposed to still be able to run in the old 2D mode.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: SDETERS on March 13, 2006, 06:19:58 PM: Is there any mention of JT files or translation to JT with this new Autocad version 2007 release?

How about Step and Iges file translators? I asked this somewhere else sorry to double ask a question.

Autodesk can not make these nice changes and not give you a STEP and or IGES translators to get your 3D files into other 3D modeling packages.

Nice now we are talking about video cards. One needs at least a 256meg or higher to run nice 3D graphics for quick regen time or refresh rate. Which is better for Autocad or what do they recommend. ATI or Nividia or something different?
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MikePerry on March 14, 2006, 04:46:55 AM: Quote from: SDETERS on March 13, 2006, 06:19:58 PM
Nice now we are talking about video cards. One needs at least a 256meg or higher to run nice 3D graphics for quick regen time or refresh rate. Which is better for Autocad or what do they recommend. ATI or Nividia or something different?

Hi

Keep an eye on the Autodesk web site...

AutoCAD Certified Hardware (http://rcd.typepad.com/rcd/2006/03/autocad_certifi.html) by Robin Capper

Sorry, at this time I am unable to post the relevant URL here ( I am still under NDA until AutoCAD 2007 hits the streets ).

Have a good one, Mike
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 14, 2006, 05:24:04 AM: Even If you were to post it Mike, I don't believe it is activated yet.
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Jim Yadon on March 14, 2006, 07:01:20 AM: Quote from: MikePerry on March 14, 2006, 04:46:55 AM
Keep an eye on the Autodesk web site...
AutoCAD Certified Hardware (http://rcd.typepad.com/rcd/2006/03/autocad_certifi.html) by Robin Capper
Sorry, at this time I am unable to post the relevant URL here ( I am still under NDA until AutoCAD 2007 hits the streets ).

hey Mike, did they gag us again? I thought we were released to openly discuss 2k7 with the normal other NDA stuff about **** ******.

:looks over shoulder again:
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MikePerry on March 14, 2006, 07:25:16 AM: Quote from: Kerry Brown on March 14, 2006, 05:24:04 AM
Even If you were to post it Mike, I don't believe it is activated yet.

Hi Kerry

I am afraid it is...

Take care, Mike
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MikePerry on March 14, 2006, 07:30:30 AM: Quote from: JAY on March 14, 2006, 07:01:20 AM
hey Mike, did they gag us again? I thought we were released to openly discuss 2k7 with the normal other NDA stuff about **** ******.

:looks over shoulder again:

Hi Jay

While it is true Autodesk lifted ( to a certain extent ) the NDA on the 1st March 2006 relating to AutoCAD 2007, I personally prefer to er on the side of caution.

Plus, Autodesk have explicitly told AutoCAD 2007 NDA participants not to post / share that particular URL until they give the green light. I already know of one site where it has been removed by Autodesk.

Take care, Mike
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 14, 2006, 07:35:12 AM: Quote from: MikePerry on March 14, 2006, 07:25:16 AM
Quote from: Kerry Brown on March 14, 2006, 05:24:04 AM
Even If you were to post it Mike, I don't believe it is activated yet.

Hi Kerry

I am afraid it is...

Take care, Mike

Yours must be a different page than the one documented in the Help files then ..
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Didge on March 16, 2006, 09:21:11 AM: Mighty Impressive!!

This is the first release to excite me in many years :-)
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Mark on March 18, 2006, 10:14:23 AM: New, Changed, Removed Commands and System Variables in AutoCAD 2007
from Shaan Hurley's blog.

[ http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2006/03/new_changed_rem.html ]
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MikePerry on March 21, 2006, 05:07:42 AM: Keep an eye on http://www.upfrontezine.com/welcome.htm for NEWS #466 to appear; in the meantime...

Quote from: NEWS #466
Your Graphics Board is Obsolete, Part II
. . . . . .
Autodesk Responds

Shawn Gilmour of Autodesk notes that the high-end specs are only for doing 3D work with AutoCAD 2007; normal computers are still fine for 2D work. He continues...

"AutoCAD has had the ability to use OpenGL based graphics hardware since AutoCAD 2000. With AutoCAD 2004, we added the ability to display textures, materials, and lights on 3D models in real-time. All of these features depended on the speed and ability of both the graphics card and driver for better performance. Most customers don't know this, because we left OpenGL hardware acceleration off by default and left it to customers to discover it.

"With AutoCAD 2007's focus on conceptual design and visualization, we felt it was imperative that we test AutoCAD on graphics hardware and drivers [from ATI, nVidia, Matrox, 3D Labs, NEC and Intel] so we could recommend to customers what graphics configurations best support the features of AutoCAD. There are cards in our certification list both old and new for as little as US$250.

"With this analysis, AutoCAD 2007's Performance Tuner can determine if OpenGL hardware acceleration can be reliably enabled by default the first time customers start up. We also let customers know if their card or driver does not support some of the new features; they can turn on hardware acceleration if they wish.

"The key features that need more graphics power for AutoCAD 2007 are real-time shadows and Gooch shading. Cards that support the features (but are not supported by the vendor for CAD use) are still supported by Autodesk, but hardware acceleration is turned off by default.

"Your ATi RADEON card is a gaming card that has what we call 'graphics cleanup issues'. You can enable hardware acceleration using the 3Dconfig command; the http://www.autodesk.com/hardcert/db.html Web site will be live on March 23, as well as a Q&A and a problem reporting page.

"As you stated, this is not new to the industry; it is also not new to AutoCAD. It is going to be new to AutoCAD customers who have only been using AutoCAD for 2D and wish to start taking advantage of its new 3D capabilities."

ATI Support

Canada's own ATI Technologies provided me with this list of boards that work with AutoCAD 2007's 3D:

The following boards should be used with driver package 8.223. FireGL cards have faster OpenGL performance due to the different GPUs and optimized drivers.

1. Certified cards and drivers; OpenGL enabled by default:
* ATI FireGL V3100 and V3200, V5000 and V5100, V7100 through to V7350.
* ATI FireGL X1, X2 AGP Pro, and X3-256.
* ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL T2, V3200, and V3200.

2. Cards that passed, but are not recommended; users can enable OpenGL at their own risk:
* RADEON 9800 XT and X1800 Series.
* RADEON X300 Series, X550 Series, and X800 Series

3. Cards that did not pass and are not recommended; users can still enable OpenGL at their own risk:
* RADEON 9200

http://www.ati.com/firegl/autodesk/index.html
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Kerry on March 22, 2006, 07:39:25 PM: FWIW

New Newsgroup
discussion.autodesk.com
autodesk.autocad.2007
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: MikePerry on March 26, 2006, 02:49:02 PM: Hardware Requirements for AutoCAD 2007 (http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2006/03/hardware_certri.html) by Shaan Hurley

AutoCAD Graphics Hardware List online (http://rcd.typepad.com/rcd/2006/03/autocad_graphic.html) by Robin Capper
Title: Re: What's new in 2007.
Post by: Yoland on March 26, 2006, 03:10:32 PM: Hi,

Video tutorial 2007:

http://home.pct.edu/~jmather/content/CAD238/AutoCAD_2007_Tutorials.htm

Bye

yolanda