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CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: M-dub on July 28, 2005, 09:51:08 AM
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Hello All,
As you may remember our PEBCAK left a couple of weeks ago. We're getting ready to review some resume's of local contractors to bring someone else in, but this time, they're taking my advice and they're going to do some type of a CAD test.
I've seen a few in a Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=CAD+Test&btnG=Google+Search) but the position to be filled is outside my realm of expertise and I'm not sure of what questions should be asked.
Now, the last guy had some pretty major issues with all aspects of using a computer to do his job. He needed VAST improvments in Windows (how to create a folder, the difference between Move, Copy, Delete, etc.), how to use Office programs such as Word and Excel, and most importantly, AutoCAD!
Should this test cover our specific site and how we do things or should it be a little more generic? I mean, this contractor is likely going to be used to dealing with a number of clients and their standards, so I would say that standards could be left out of it for the most part. We just want to make sure that the rudimentary skills are there. The standards will come in time and I couldn't expect anyone to know our standards before they even start here. Should this test require them to draw something in AutoCAD to see if they've done it 'right'? By 'right', I mean, there could be a number of ways to get the job done just as long as they don't exhibit poor drafting practices. Should there be some kind of small test to make sure they can do simple functions in Excel? I don't know...I just want to try harder to make sure that we don't get another lemon.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! :)
Thanks a lot,
Mike
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Have them create a folder to hold their drawing files. Have them re-create a drawing. Have them log their time in an Excel file. Have them .zip their drawing and timesheet and place that zip file into an archive folder. For starters...
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http://www.xlquest.com/ is a good cad test.
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Have them create a folder to hold their drawing files. Have them re-create a drawing. Have them log their time in an Excel file. Have them .zip their drawing and timesheet and place that zip file into an archive folder. For starters...
Good ideas
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Have them take an existing DWG and export the attributes to an excel file ... That ought to take them some time to figure out :)
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just hit them with a drawing from a client that needs revised, and throw them a set of your drawing standards...that'll sort the wheat from the chaff
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I created a test which asks a few questions and then has them create a few drawings so I can judge how good/quick they are.
I tell them they can use the AutoCAD help guide or if they are stuck to ask me, I'd rather someone asked for help than try to work it out and get it wrong.
It amases me how many people just skip things they don't know, even though they know they can ask for help, those people don't get called back.
Here are the questions
Question 1.
When you insert an xref to a drawing you are given two options for the reference type, explain the difference between the attach and overlay options?
Question 2.
What is the difference in the Color setting “Bylayer” and “Byblock” when used in a block?
Question 3.
What command would you use to separate out all lines 100mm long with the colour yellow in an AutoCAD drawing?
Question 4.
What express tools command would you use to Globally change the attributes in a selected block? (if you have no experience of express tools skip this question).
Question 5.
Using the UCS options how would you rotate a drawing without using the rotate command?
Question 6.
What is the command used to scale a viewport in paperspace to 1:200?
Question 7.
How would you rotate a drawing in a Viewport, leaving the model space drawing unrotated?
Question 8.
How would you create a fraction e.g. ½ in AutoCAD mtext?
Question 9.
What is the special property of the “Defpoints layer”?
Question 10.
What does the “XCLIP” command do?
Question 11.
What does the snapbase variable do?
Question 12
What command is used to explode a block containing attribute information, to ensure that the information is not lost?
Question 13.
How would you globally change the width of all polylines in a drawing to the same width?
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Don't forget to ask what Osnaps are good for and snap and what the difference between the two are?
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Thanks folks! I'm going to be working on this probably starting this week, so if you've got more suggestions, post away! :)
Thanks again!
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Here are the questions . . .
Hudster do you have the answers to those? Something already in say .doc or .txt format.
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Mark....that'd be cheating. You answer the questions and we'll grade you!! How's THAT sound?
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Some questions have more than one answer, but I designed it that way to see how far the candidates knowledge goes.
I'll look out the answers and post them, but in the meantime if you want to have a go feel free.
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Thanks Hudster but could you PM me the answers? (when you get a chance) I have an idea. :)
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Mark....that'd be cheating. You answer the questions and we'll grade you!! How's THAT sound?
But what if I failed!! Oh the shame. no way, not me, nope ain't gonna happen.
:)
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Have them dimension a small drawing to see how they think.
I actually took a test for one company that was scheduled for like 4 hours. 5 of us started and finished the guessing part. Then we had the actual drawing part. One left before that started, another went down in flames during the test. Some neat things like drawing a star and making it so the pieces are 1" long.. (That's kinda wierd to explain but, suffice it to say that there aren't any lines in the middle of the star crossing like you'd draw one on paper.) Then there was a 2D coil to draw that had 1/2" thickness. I guess it was more of a spiral cause it ended in the middle nice and tight.. All of the coils touched each other.. Know what I mean??
Then we had the old school drawings where you have an orthographic projection and you have to draw enough views to show the part. I.E. Top, front, side.. I looked over at some young lady and she was re-drawing the projection view... I whispered to her that it wasn't what they wanted and she grabbed her head and shook it and kinda left in a hurry.. She was scary..
I was finally interviewed 2 weeks later and offered a job about 3 weeks after that. AFTER I was already gainfully employed by another company. It was a shame they took so long, woulda been neat gettin back into 3D.. They did have one rule that kinda bugged me though.. They all wore ties!!
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I stand by my quick and easy test as follows:
1. Have them sit down at a computer with AutoCAD (non-version specific) installed and running. On the screen you have drawn a 4 sided polygon.
2. Have them locate the center of that square with ONLY TWO PICK POINTS.
A substandard CAD person will draw a line from corner to corner, then grab the midpoint.
A quality CAD person will use point filters, or tracking (depending on the version).
Fairly simple, if they know that much, then they probably have the cognitive skills to sufficiently complete job related tasks.
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Well, it's official I reckon, I'm a substandard CAD person.. I would draw the line and snap to midpoint (or use the new snap command) instead of messing with point filters. In fact, I've never much messed with any filters except when using the SSX command. Then I'm just using it to single out a selection.
I'll turn in my key to the quality CAD operators restroom after lunch and clean out my virtual cubical.
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I still like one test I heard many moons ago where they wanted the guy to make a rectangular box and type his name in the center of the box. Then they turned off the monitor and said "Start"..
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Well, it's official I reckon, I'm a substandard CAD person.. I would draw the line and snap to midpoint...
I'll turn in my key to the quality CAD operators restroom after lunch and clean out my virtual cubical.
YOU MADE THREE PICKS!
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I could do it in one pick. Temporary tracking points set to whatever as long as midpoint is in it, get cad to find the mids of two perpendicular lines and pick the center.
In 13 or 14, use tracking in two points. Tracking from midpoint move out toward the middle and beyond the middle of the adjacent line, snap to midpoint of said line.
Previous to that, .xy filters which of course, still work, I just haven't used them since R14.
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I could do it in one pick. Temporary tracking points set to whatever as long as midpoint is in it, get cad to find the mids of two perpendicular lines and pick the center.
Let's pretend I'm t-bears neighbor, show me. :)
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2. Have them locate the center of that square with ONLY TWO PICK POINTS.
How about this . . .
Command: line
Specify first point: m2p ( or mtp )
First point of mid: Second point of mid:
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Yep .. that's how I would have answered.
The word locate in the test question is a little ambiguous. I assumed an active pickpoint.
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Ok, I should have said:
TWO **OR LESS** PICK POINTS. 8)
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I could do it in one pick. Temporary tracking points set to whatever as long as midpoint is in it, get cad to find the mids of two perpendicular lines and pick the center.
Let's pretend I'm t-bears neighbor, show me. :)
(http://www.theswamp.org/screens/daron/singlepointmiddle.PNG)
How's that? Not a single pick yet and I'm already at the middle of the rectangle. If Allignment Point Acquisition is set to Automatic, I wouldn't even have to hit shift.
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The thing is, in my experience anyone who does not draw lines for their placement of entities, etc. has enough experience to really understand the what and how of any cad platform, be it AutoCAD, ProE, SolidWorks, Intergraph (there's an oldie), or any of em'. And in my opinion, such people are worthy of my attention and commeraderie as a potential employer.
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Of course on an older cad installation that would NOT be an option ...
One thing I had a serious problem with when I was working at a large corporation with their "test" was that the person administering the test had no earthly idea what was part of AutoCAD as a vanilla installation (or any vertical product for that matter) ... the cad manager on my previous job would talk bad about people who didn't know about proprietary commands that were developed specifically for them. :shock: like someone is supposed to know about your flipiso command or baseproj command .. go figure
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I recently hired a couple of people and used a cad test that existed before I started working here. I will probably revise it at some point but keep the general format as it really worked well for me. I have a CAD drawing that is partially completed, a sheet of paper with the redlines required to complete the drawing, and a sheet of paper with details. The test consists of completing the drawing and filling in some section cuts based on the details provided. This shows me their ability to follow redlines, their ability to figure out how the drawing should be in relation to standards based on the entities already in the drawing, and their ability to reason out what is actually occurring on the drawing based on the section cuts.
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I just realized that I too would be a substandard cad person .... but then I march to a different drum anyway .... funny how that works ... I make extensive use of construction lines, solid model spheres as points in 3d space for easy reference and a whole host of other references that make my drawings more accurate and less troublesome ...
I'll pack up my belongings too ... I hope the unemployment line isn't too long :(
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Then, like I said, R13-14 and I believe 12, I don't go back further than that, can be done with point filters. Just did it to prove it to myself:
start line command or whatever, middle click to get .y filter, select vertical line at its midpoint and select the midpoint of an adjacent line and voila, center point in two picks.
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only if those options are enabled on your installation. I don't have that menu enabled on my system (and I doubt everyone does) ... and what if the midpoint osnap is not turned on? then it becomes [command] [.x] (pick mid snap) (pick line) [.yz] (pick mid snap) (pick line) and you are there ...
Of course if you have the mid2p macro, you simply select the 2 points nad AutoCAD calculates the midpoint for you. Here again, it is a cusomization, not standardization.
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Okay, listen up! All you substandard CAD personnel report to board drawing 101, and put a little hustle in there. The rest of you follow me...
...are they gone yet? Whew!
Without over-thinking, and bludgeoning this simple test to death, assuming that we are on AutoCAD 11 DOS, YES I SAID DOS, get over it, here is the simple and so perfect solution:
Command: Line (or whatever)
Select point: .x
of: mid (aaaaand pick #1)
Need .XY: mid (aaaaand pick #2)
There now. Wasn't that painless.
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DGC, Just about what I was saying and Keith, I'm not sure what option you're referring to, with your example, I assume it was middle click, then shift middle click and get midpoint. There's no difference, and no points have been picked. Previous to release 2000, I made extensive use of tracking and point filters. 2000 just makes them less troublesome for those who use them. As far as turning them on? If you know how to use them, you most likely know how to turn them on. I was taking the basic, non-customized installation to mind.
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..... and voila, center point in two picks.
Have you tried that if the rectangle base is not oriented to X 0.00 < without changing the UCS >
Regards
Kerry
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This thread is on the verge of being moved to "Tips-n-Tricks", and I'm gonna help:
UCS Trick for quick mirror of entities located on a +Y and +X to -Y and -X (relatively):
Command: ucs
Current ucs name: *WORLD*
Enter an option [New/Move/orthoGraphic/Prev/Restore/Save/Del/Apply/?/World]
<World>: z
Specify rotation angle about Z axis <90>: 45
Command: mi
MIRROR
Select objects: Specify opposite corner: 2 found
Select objects:
Specify first point of mirror line: Specify second point of mirror line:
<Ortho on>
Delete source objects? [Yes/No] <N>: n
Command: ucs
Current ucs name: *NO NAME*
Enter an option [New/Move/orthoGraphic/Prev/Restore/Save/Del/Apply/?/World]
<World>: w
Okay, lets start the mayhem...
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Daron, the option I was referring to is the middle click pop menu, for as long as I can remember, every job I have ever worked at has had the osnap pop menu turned off (not that I couldn't turn it on if I wanted to) so it would take me longer to turn that option on (and a whole lot more clicks) than just 2.
IMHO, if you have the station set up and require a person to complete a task in the least number of clicks, it should make no difference if you count clicks in the drawing or clicks on a menu or toolbar. Two clicks is still two clicks ... to me two clicks is whenever you press any combination of mouse buttons twice ... period ...
If you have to turn on polar tracking, osnaps or select a menu item, to me that constitutes a click ... and since I know of no company that maintains a setup where AutoCAD is vanilla out of the box, the test would be flawed from the word go unless you allow the user to familiarize themselves with the current setup.
Think about it, how awkward would it be, given your current knowledge and level of cusomization, to sit down in an "out of the box" environment and be productive. I'll bet that not one person here would be.
A better test would be to give a person a general knowledge test of AutoCAD, then a skills test. Draw this object, but do not modify the current profile or system settings. That is where you would seperate the drafties from the puck pushers.
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IMHO, if you have the station set up and require a person to complete a task in the least number of clicks, it should make no difference if you count clicks in the drawing or clicks on a menu or toolbar. Two clicks is still two clicks ... to me two clicks is whenever you press any combination of mouse buttons twice ... period ...
That was "PICKS" not "CLICKS", as in screen picks, c'mon guys yer beatin this to death...
...now I gotta make up a new one... :shock:
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Does anyone have a spare copy of R11 and a spare computer with DOS installed so I can pass this test ... Geeeze ...
oh, wait, ..
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The test I used to give was to talk with the potential drafter for about 15 minutes, just general conversation about CAD, then hand them a simple sketch, sit them down at a vanilla R14 station and tell them I'd be back in 15 minutes.
When I came back, usually only 5% of the people would actually be "done" (their words). Then I would send them on to my supervisor to have an additional chat.
I'd sit at the station and look at the drawing. I'd look at the intersection of lines, I'd look to see if the person used the most basic tools like ortho and snap. I'd check out how they created their layers and whether they used "bylayer" or not in their drawing. I'd check to see if they corrected the intentional spelling errors on the sketch.
This was my goal: See if they used the basic 'good practice' methods that makes life easier on everyone like snap and ortho. See if they struggled to make sense of what the drawing was, or if they would just draw what was on the paper. See if they had the ability to think for themselves.
Because, the way I see it, every company has their own way of doing things. As long as the person trying to get hired has a general working knowledge of AutoCAD and has the ability to think for themselves when it was obvious, I could teach them anything else they needed to know. In fact, in those instances, it's sometimes easier to take some young punk fresh out of school, who has a decent amount of drafting ability, and train them to do things our way than it was to take a veteran who sometimes refused to do it any other way than how they'd been doing it for years someplace else.
I don't care if you spend your evening reading the help manual and you know about all those special commands that might shave a half second off of your time (I actually had a guy who did that)... I care about your ability to think for yourself and your ability to draw.
Funny story: I had one guy I gave the test to, had to be the worst dressed, most unkempt person I'd ever interviewed. I gave him the test as a courtesy, really, because I really had no intention of hiring him. After his 15 minutes were up I came back he only had about 25% of the drawing done. This surprised me because he seemd so 'on top' of AutoCAD in our previous discussion. He saw the look on my face and said "Hey, sorry I didn't finish it all. The mouse was broken so I had to do it all with the keyboard." :shock:
I checked. The mouse really was broken.
The guy had a notebook and a pencil and was keeping track of his coordinates. He did that 25% of the drawing using only the keyboard and polar coordinates.
I went to my supervisor and he asked me how his test went. All I told him was
"Hire this guy."
"Seriously."
That guy turned out to be the most dedicated drafter I've ever had the privelege of working with. The guy worked more overtime than anyone I've ever known. He was so freakin' talented that my company ended up sending him out on contract to one of the local oil refineries. He replaced their 5 man drafting department by himself.
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deegeecees... My concern isn't really in "picks" but, I guess you could call it movements of your fingers... If you have to type in .x to start your filter command and other things in that command, they should each count as pics. The whole thing about speed is doing it the most efficient way possible. I know when I'm cranking thru a drawing, sometimes I'm thinking 3 or 4 commands ahead and how I'm going to get there. Stopping and thinking about things like filters slows me down considerably. Using a standard autocad setup slows me down quite a bit too.. I'm a keyboard user with quick keys. I also have a Nostromo and a second numeric keypad for use on my left hand. Why take your right hand off the mouse to type in numbers??
Your filters make beat me on a command or two but, I'll make up for it in other ways.
I think if I were giving a test, I'd allow the testee to bring in a CD with his own custom routines in it so that he'll feel comfortable and I'm actually testing how he works on a day to day basis, not on a vanilla machine. That's like taking 10 people, putting them all in a Ford Pinto and having them drive around a track. The fastest one will be your next Nascar driver..
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yeah..im a keyboard type of guy too...i type like i work in a court house.
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Mark, I've sent you a PM with the answers attached.
I'll leave it a while before I post them here.
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Mark, I've sent you a PM with the answers attached.
I'll leave it a while before I post them here.
Thank ya very much.
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I have no doubt that everyone here would pass the "Two 'SCREEN PICKS' Test", and I know that there are several ways to achieve what is required. This is just a test that I used to "weed" out the newbies from the more experienced users without taking up alot of time. Its all about efficiency. Any one of the methods mentioned would get your foot in the door, but if you started drawing a line from one point to another point, and then grabbed the mid of that line, you did not follow the instructions given to you, therefore you failed the test and were directed towards the door. Period. End of discussion. Okay this is a discussion forum so go ahead and continue to discuss amongst yerselves.
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I just noticed, I'm finally a "BullFrog"! Life IS good.
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The test I used to give was...
...about your ability to think for yourself and your ability to draw.
That's exactly what I'm putting together. :) Almost verbatim. I couldn't agree more. We couldn't expect everyone to be able to know our standards without having worked here before, but as long as they use good drafting practices (more importantly, as long as they don't muck things up royally), they stand a chance. Here's what I have written on my scratch pad so far:
● Create a new project directory on C:\ called E12-345
● Start AutoCAD and recreate the drawing included with handout
● Print drawing to scale
● Create mock timesheet in Excel, using functions to calculate hours for a week
● Create Zip file, containing the drawing and the timesheet and e-mail it to _____________
Something like that, anyway. Any ideas as to what we should have a mechanical / piping guy draw up? Something that's simple, but will require that they use a variety of commands. They're aiming at about 30 minutes for this whole 'testing' phase of the interview, so it has to be fairly simple. Should it be an ISO or what?
Thanks again, everyone ;)
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Just some questions I might ask if I were given these instructions.
● Create a new project directory on C:\ called E12-345
Do you want it in the root of C or do you have a specific place on the C drive you would like it created? Do you prefer the project directory be read only for all users except "current user", or should I presume that all local users have rights to modify these files, also, should I publish this project directory to the LAN and/or WAN and/or WLAN so other users will have access to them, and if so, what rights should I allow for these users?
● Start AutoCAD and recreate the drawing included with handout
Will a complete 3d model be required or would you prefer a 2d representation or isometric view? Do you have a specific template you would like me to use? A specific title block? Do you prefer MS or PS?
● Print drawing to scale
What scale? What size paper? Do you prefer a MS plot or a PS plot?
● Create mock timesheet in Excel, using functions to calculate hours for a week
Do you want the Excel timesheet to cover only this particular project, or would you like it to have entries for multiple projects, so that you can readily see how my time in the office was split among projects? Would you prefer to see the days split among different worksheets or would you prefer different projects be assigned their own worksheet within the spreadsheet?
● Create Zip file, containing the drawing and the timesheet and e-mail it to _____________
What compression factor would you prefer I use? Should I presume the recipient does not have all of the shapes and fonts, and thus include them in the compressed archive? Would you like the DWG file sent in an editable format or one that is not readily editable without special knowledge or special programming?
What would you like for me to do for the remainder of the alotted time for this project? :roll:
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Easy, Tiger! You've got a little brown on your nose there....nope, other side....there, you got it. :twisted:
Yes, I know all of those questions would exist if what I wrote WAS the test, but there will be more specific instruction to follow....those were just my rough notes. I'm figuring out the details now...
Compression factor...Sheesh! :roll:
I don't need to know if they are absolute gurus...I just need to know if they have the fundamentals there and that they can follow simple instruction.
Thanks for pointing those questions out though, Keith. ;)
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I was merely pointing out potential questions that might need to be addressed in your specific instructions. All applicants will likely not understand, much less be able to implement many of the items I mentioned above, but, by making the process appear difficult to the novice user, you can quickly weed them out.
The additional questions I posed to your instructions would provide a great deal of insight into:
Whether a person understands the nature of networking with other users.
The pitfalls (of which I have seen from many in this forum) concerning just sending out files without consideration to what impact they might have on the company sending them, and/or the company receiving them.
How to account for time spent on multiple projects.
Time management, i.e. (what to do when I complete the assigned task)
Attention to detail.
Ability to comply with standards.
Knowledge of archiving techniques.
Organizational skills.
Of course most importantly, when you give specific instructions to a person that they do not understand, do they .... a) try to BS their way through it ... b) ask you to explain in a little more detail so they understand better ... c) simply tell you that they do not have experience in that area
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Get them to create different views of the drawing test and publish them to a multi-sheet DWF.
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Create mock timesheet in Excel, using functions to calculate hours for a week
Is this highly necessary? I mean, the point of automation is that it should be done maybe once. IOW, interviewee: I assume you have one of these. Could I just get the one you have and fill it out from there?
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Ask them this question:
You have a very important meeting with your immediate supervisor, the CEO of the company, the president of your biggest client, three of his engineers, and your local school board chief engineer to discuss a future multi-million dollar project. What type and how many donuts will you bring to the meeting??
Everything else is just gravy..
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24. Three for everybody including me.
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
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Two weeks.
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Of course most importantly, when you give specific instructions to a person that they do not understand, do they .... a) try to BS their way through it ... b) ask you to explain in a little more detail so they understand better ... c) simply tell you that they do not have experience in that area
Agreed :)
Create mock timesheet in Excel, using functions to calculate hours for a week
Is this highly necessary?
Yes. Not for a timesheet, but just to see that they know of and how to use the functions in Excel. They will be required to use Excel to create estimates and many other documents, so we just want to make sure they have a clue.
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Okay. That makes sense. I just was wondering what the relavence was to the job.
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Yeah, there are a few things that are there just to see what they do / how they do it. Creating the project directory, zipping it up and e-mailing it might all seem really trivial to the applicant...possibly trivial enough that they might not even think it's part of the test! However, what one person thinks is a breeze and could do in their sleep, someone else might not have the first clue as to where to start.
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someone else might not have the first clue as to where to start.
That'd be me.....we never use Excel here. Hell, I couldn't create ANYTHING in it. Our database is Access and that's all we use for BOMs etc....
Guess I don't qualify guys.......... :cry:
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That's okay, Ted. I tried Access once. Once.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dif'rnt strokes...........
I use what I inherited here.....works purty good. I never have played with Excel.....me'be night class some time............
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I use Excel all the time. It has many uses.
The fact is that many people here use it and it would be expected that the new person to come in here can use it.
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
Woohoo!! My wife wants me to design some cakes in ACAD 3d modeling. I've done a few to show some people and they are amazed.
BTW, let me know what you like. I make killer cannoli's.
Pete
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
Woohoo!! My wife wants me to design some cakes in ACAD 3d modeling. I've done a few to show some people and they are amazed.
BTW, let me know what you like. I make killer cannoli's.
Pete
Gotta love those nested quotes, I just want to see how far the nesting goes...
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
Woohoo!! My wife wants me to design some cakes in ACAD 3d modeling. I've done a few to show some people and they are amazed.
BTW, let me know what you like. I make killer cannoli's.
Pete
Gotta love those nested quotes, I just want to see how far the nesting goes...
Pretty far actually ... :)
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
Woohoo!! My wife wants me to design some cakes in ACAD 3d modeling. I've done a few to show some people and they are amazed.
BTW, let me know what you like. I make killer cannoli's.
Pete
Gotta love those nested quotes, I just want to see how far the nesting goes...
It'll go on and on until Mark screams at the top of his lungs and threatens to do some more gardening if we don't stop.
Apple Fritters for me, nice fat ones.. When they look like a big ole cow pattie, they're just right..
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
Woohoo!! My wife wants me to design some cakes in ACAD 3d modeling. I've done a few to show some people and they are amazed.
BTW, let me know what you like. I make killer cannoli's.
Pete
Gotta love those nested quotes, I just want to see how far the nesting goes...
It'll go on and on until Mark screams at the top of his lungs and threatens to do some more gardening if we don't stop.
Apple Fritters for me, nice fat ones.. When they look like a big ole cow pattie, they're just right..
You would think that it would eventually stop at some point, no?
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
Woohoo!! My wife wants me to design some cakes in ACAD 3d modeling. I've done a few to show some people and they are amazed.
BTW, let me know what you like. I make killer cannoli's.
Pete
Gotta love those nested quotes, I just want to see how far the nesting goes...
It'll go on and on until Mark screams at the top of his lungs and threatens to do some more gardening if we don't stop.
Apple Fritters for me, nice fat ones.. When they look like a big ole cow pattie, they're just right..
You would think that it would eventually stop at some point, no?
CHOCOLATE COVERED DONUTS AND CINNAMON TWISTS!! :oops:
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
Woohoo!! My wife wants me to design some cakes in ACAD 3d modeling. I've done a few to show some people and they are amazed.
BTW, let me know what you like. I make killer cannoli's.
Pete
Gotta love those nested quotes, I just want to see how far the nesting goes...
It'll go on and on until Mark screams at the top of his lungs and threatens to do some more gardening if we don't stop.
Apple Fritters for me, nice fat ones.. When they look like a big ole cow pattie, they're just right..
You would think that it would eventually stop at some point, no?
CHOCOLATE COVERED DONUTS AND CINNAMON TWISTS!! :oops:
I don't get why it's such an issue with nested quotes. Does it take up more bandwidth than normal? It does look pretty cool to see all the names go one way and the quotes going another. Could look pretty psychadelic. If only it could start wobbling.
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
Woohoo!! My wife wants me to design some cakes in ACAD 3d modeling. I've done a few to show some people and they are amazed.
BTW, let me know what you like. I make killer cannoli's.
Pete
Gotta love those nested quotes, I just want to see how far the nesting goes...
It'll go on and on until Mark screams at the top of his lungs and threatens to do some more gardening if we don't stop.
Apple Fritters for me, nice fat ones.. When they look like a big ole cow pattie, they're just right..
You would think that it would eventually stop at some point, no?
CHOCOLATE COVERED DONUTS AND CINNAMON TWISTS!! :oops:
I don't get why it's such an issue with nested quotes. Does it take up more bandwidth than normal? It does look pretty cool to see all the names go one way and the quotes going another. Could look pretty psychadelic. If only it could start wobbling.
Try this
http://www.mf2fm.co.uk/rv/dhtmlwobble.php
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Daron.........you're hired! When can you start?
I beat him. I own a bakery. So I can bring more than donuts..
Pete
Ok Pete, your interview is on August 18th. Resume won't be necessary, but a sampler platter will give you the upper hand. ;)
Woohoo!! My wife wants me to design some cakes in ACAD 3d modeling. I've done a few to show some people and they are amazed.
BTW, let me know what you like. I make killer cannoli's.
Pete
Gotta love those nested quotes, I just want to see how far the nesting goes...
It'll go on and on until Mark screams at the top of his lungs and threatens to do some more gardening if we don't stop.
Apple Fritters for me, nice fat ones.. When they look like a big ole cow pattie, they're just right..
You would think that it would eventually stop at some point, no?
CHOCOLATE COVERED DONUTS AND CINNAMON TWISTS!! :oops:
I don't get why it's such an issue with nested quotes. Does it take up more bandwidth than normal? It does look pretty cool to see all the names go one way and the quotes going another. Could look pretty psychadelic. If only it could start wobbling.
Try this
http://www.mf2fm.co.uk/rv/dhtmlwobble.php
Now that's pretty cool. Looks more like inch worm than wobble, though.
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Give them a Hardcopy of a drawing(a standard or simple drawing of what you do), and ask them to re-create as much as possible on cad in 30 minutes. When they are done, after they have left, overlay it over the original, and check for accuracy...You can even place a few obvious errors in the drawing they should know, see if they pick up on them. I went through this process when I fist started, it was 1/3 of my interview process.
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Do you think I should remind them to 'use best drafting practices' in the test? I'm worried that they might do what they know is right for the test, then slack off once they start here.
I'm also wondering if I should have them leave their session of AutoCAD running with the drawing saved, but open, so I could view the command history in the text window. (...Or does anyone have a routine that will push the command history to a txt file?)
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can make one :)
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M-Dub,
---------> Options
---------> Open and Save [tab]
---------> Check "Maintain Log File"
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M-Dub,
---------> Options
---------> Open and Save [tab]
---------> Check "Maintain Log File"
D'oh!
How did I forget that!?!?! I used to look at the log files of our old PEBCAK for a laugh! Thanks for the reminder, DGC! :D
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No Prob.
That is why we are...
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The cad test is to determin their proficiency in cad, interviews and talking one on one should be used to determin their character, and work ethic. Use the cad test to find out if they know CAD, not how they will work when they get settled, as everyone slacks off a bit once they find the comfort zone.
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Well, we have ONE CAD test "done" and one on the way.
They're both Microstation guys and let's just say that one of them had a real hard time migrating back to AutoCAD, which kind of makes it unfair to him, but that's the point of having a test, right?! To see if they're suited to work HERE...where we use AUTOCAD. I'll post more later...
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I interviewed a guy that sat there looking at the test I gave him for a 1/2 hour without doing a thing. Add to that the fact that he looked to be on the verge of the DTs and I took a pass on him. Funny thing was that he sounded surprised.
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I would probably study the test too, before I got started ... but I don't think it would take me 30 minutes to figure out where to put my name ...
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I once interviewed at place and they had an interesting test. Up to this point, I had only worked on r12 for dos. The were running r14 for windows. I told them that up front and they said they didn't have r12 to load back on. I said "it doesn't matter".
they sat me at a computer with AutoCad running and gave me a couple 8.5x11 sheets with numbered instructions. It was pretty cookie cutter, #1, open drawing at this network location. #2, edit this titleblock attribute, #3 edit this note (mtext or dtext). Then reference this file (overlay) from this network location. Edit this other reference file. Basically many different/broad items that were to be done. There was some dimensioning to locate specific equipment and inserting blocks from a specific location.
They said, get as far as you can and you have as much time as you need. After 2.5 hours, I was done with just a couple questions and moments of confusion as I didn't understand what they were asking. They had people who sat there for 6 hours and did not complete as much as I had.
They offered me the job on the spot and it was for good money but they wanted a minimum 55-60 hr work week and I wasn't interested in that @ the time.
Pieter