TheSwamp

Code Red => AutoLISP (Vanilla / Visual) => Topic started by: Mark on June 22, 2017, 09:44:32 AM

Title: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 22, 2017, 09:44:32 AM
In September of this year theswamp.org will be 14 years old. Threads and posts have been declining for the past couple years and the current server is over 3 years old.

For the past couple of years i’ve been asking myself “is this place still relevant? Does this place still serve a purpose? Can I justify the time, energy and money to keep this place running?" And, quite honestly, i am finding it harder to answer yes to those questions.
 
I would really like to hear your thoughts. Do you think this place is still useful? Do forums like this still serve as a useful tool for sharing information?

Thanks for any/all comments.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: ronjonp on June 22, 2017, 09:50:33 AM
I'm on the site almost daily. It's a treasure trove of information for me. The other forums out there are OK .. but TheSwamp is the best IMO.

If there's something I can do to help out let me know.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 22, 2017, 10:02:15 AM
I'm on the site almost daily. It's a treasure trove of information for me.
Yes it is, no doubt about that. :) But google has most of that same information currently indexed and ready to use too.

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If there's something I can do to help out let me know.
Thank you sir.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: ChrisCarlson on June 22, 2017, 10:14:44 AM
I use it quite frequently, newer languages such as .NET use FB groups for help and assistance. These older languages, forums are really the best way to go.

Instead of hosting it locally, why not shift it to a provider? I'm sure any funds needed could be readily raised.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 22, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
Instead of hosting it locally, why not shift it to a provider?
I have thought about that, many times. I am not sure I trust those big server farms. Do you have any companies in mind?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: dgorsman on June 22, 2017, 10:25:35 AM
I'm here daily.  I find it invaluable from a developer perspective, there's a lot of questions and answers that go deeper than at the Autodesk forums.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Jeff H on June 22, 2017, 10:38:08 AM
I can donate $5 to $20 a month to help pay for a provider.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 22, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
I'm here daily.  I find it invaluable from a developer perspective, there's a lot of questions and answers that go deeper than at the Autodesk forums.
Then should we trim all  the forums back and just concentrate on the programming?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: rkmcswain on June 22, 2017, 10:50:05 AM

For the past couple of years i’ve been asking myself “is this place still relevant? Does this place still serve a purpose? Can I justify the time, energy and money to keep this place running?" And, quite honestly, i am finding it harder to answer yes to those questions.
 
I would really like to hear your thoughts. Do you think this place is still useful? Do forums like this still serve as a useful tool for sharing information?



I am not here every day.
I am in other forums every day.
But when I run across a difficult CAD problem, especially programming related, I know where to come and look, and/or point other people.
I'm still amazed that you are doing your own hosting, and I do think the loss of this board would leave a huge void.
Would everyone survive if this went away? Sure. But I suspect true members would be willing to 'subscribe' to this as a service.  Or maybe you could incorporate ads, and 'members' (however that is defined) would get an ad-free experience?

Thanks for everything for this ±14 years Mark!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 22, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I can donate $5 to $20 a month to help pay for a provider.
Thank you Jeff. I'm more worried about the provided than anything else. I really do not mind hosting this place as long as it remains valuable to the community. Of course if it was hosted on a provider it would easier to maintain, I think.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 22, 2017, 10:58:03 AM
Would everyone survive if this went away? Sure. But I suspect true members would be willing to 'subscribe' to this as a service.  Or maybe you could incorporate ads, and 'members' (however that is defined) would get an ad-free experience?
I do not believe ads are needed. We can survive without them. :)

This is not about the money really. If we do keep this place going and I host it then we will need a new server soon(ish) and I would be asking for donations to help pay for it.

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I'm still amazed that you are doing your own hosting, and I do think the loss of this board would leave a huge void.
Thank you very much.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Peter2 on June 22, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
My usage depends on currents tasks and this is why the intensity is fluctuating, but when I'm in Lisp, then I use TheSwamp very intensely. Yes, Google shows me a lot - but most of the results are questions or semi-solved issues. On other places you'll find something - here you find the essence and the solutions.

I want to encourage you to keep it on - it's THE pillar of information.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Krushert on June 22, 2017, 11:08:16 AM
For the past 3 years, I have done very little cadding or reviteering since my role has taken on a construction administration track and I hope that track continues.  But I still come here just about every day and I always have a tab open to the Swamp.   I have found the technical information valuable but I have found the laughs and comradery here priceless.  And the latter is why I still come here. 

Just today I steered a young cadder to the swamp for the Civil 3d plugin thread.

   
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: tedg on June 22, 2017, 11:39:25 AM
I'm here everyday (about)... mostly creeping on posts and the laginappe (sp?) stuff
I feel when I ask question here.. I get answers, or at least a reply soon, unlike another site I frequent where  a post may sit for days or weeks before you get an answer.


My vote: keep it going please

Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 22, 2017, 12:03:36 PM
The friends we've made on/in this little safe harbor in the vast internet...
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Atook on June 22, 2017, 12:07:32 PM
I certainly find this place valuable, and would like to see it stick around. With a smaller community there's more connection, somehow the answers I get here carry more weight than answers I get from Stack Overflow or other forums.

 It's cool that you host it, and the performance is top-notch as far as I can tell, but I'm also surprised you put up with the headache of it. I wouldn't be upset if it moved to a hosting provider, especially if it's easier to maintain.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: CottageCGirl on June 22, 2017, 12:29:51 PM
I find the knowledge gap is increasing  between me and many people here and many of my comments or questions go unanswered. but this has been my salvation on more than a  few occasions.. and would be sad to see it go away, but am not in a position where I could subscribe.. suffering adds would just  be a necessary evil
I do miss the busier social banter, my guess is there is just more competition now.

I was drawn here because of the patience and acceptance .. Swampers do not have the elitist attitudes I see so much of the time..
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Krushert on June 22, 2017, 12:46:17 PM
The friends we've made on/in this little safe harbor in the vast internet...
:cry2:
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: rkmcswain on June 22, 2017, 12:55:26 PM
.... and the performance is top-notch ....

Yes, Mark. I meant to mention this. The performance IS top notch. I always use the Swamp as my benchmark for how ALL forums should work.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Jeff_M on June 22, 2017, 03:54:39 PM
Mark, your dedication to this site the past 14 years is absolutely amazing. While I no longer participate here on a daily basis, I do still look in every day. My current job and multiple business dealings have been taking more and more of the 'free' time I used to spend here helping and learning.

The Swamp would certainly be missed if it were to no longer exist, and leave an empty place in many of our daily rituals.

From the standpoint of one of my businesses, I'm not quite sure what I'd do without the Swamp, as you have been hosting our Subversion Repository for going on 9 years now. I would definitely help out with the acquisition of a new server, should you decide to keep hosting it.

All of that aside, do what is best for YOU! If you need a break from all of this, by all means, take it. We would all surely understand.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: CAB on June 22, 2017, 06:04:23 PM
This has been my favorite web site for 14 years. Thanks Mark  :)
Not doing much Lisp Programing in the past two year due to work overload but I pop in most every day.
Would be a loss to the community if the Swamp were to go away.
Last year & a half I have been using Chief Architect to draw houses. Learning that program has taken all my spare time.
Most recently I purchased BricsCAD & that too has taken a bit of time away.

But I still find the site useful for research & new routines.

I hope you find a solution that is a good fit for you Mark.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 22, 2017, 06:19:32 PM
How many man hours went into the immense amount of knowledge (read: expertise) on this server we've come to call home for the last 14 years?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 22, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
How many sp3lling errors are there?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: kdub_nz on June 22, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
Mark,

Jeff_M's post covers my feelings ... particularly that YOU need to be healthy and happy.

I came in with the first dozen members here and since then have been continuously impressed with your dedication and perseverance serving this community.

From a purely selfish perspective I'd miss having the archive of technical forums to call on and I'd miss the daily interchanges that you built this place to service.

You have my thanks and backing whatever you decide.

Best Regards,
 


Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Keith™ on June 22, 2017, 07:52:13 PM
I don't use it nearly as much as I once did, but it is still an invaluable source of information.
I know you mentioned that Google has lots of the same information, but many times a search for information will bring theswamp to the top of the list.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Jeff H on June 22, 2017, 07:59:07 PM
Mark,

Jeff_M's post covers my feelings ... particularly that YOU need to be healthy and happy.

I came in with the first dozen members here and since then have been continuously impressed with your dedication and perseverance serving this community.

From a purely selfish perspective I'd miss having the archive of technical forums to call on and I'd miss the daily interchanges that you built this place to service.

You have my thanks and backing whatever you decide.

Best Regards,
 
This sums up my feelings nicely, except part about being in the first dozen, I'm mid-school.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Bryco on June 23, 2017, 01:53:04 AM
I think the main reason why this site is so good is the tone you set Mark. Welcoming and well mannered has made it easy for people to try a little harder to gain more knowledge. I can imagine there are a lot of folks that would have given up if there was only google but here there is an impetus to keep trying. I do not have a degree but since being on this site I have been able to make a big difference to my work place. You have given so many people the opportunity to shine where facts alone don't cut it.
Cheers mate.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: huiz on June 23, 2017, 05:48:38 AM
I think the main reason why this site is so good is the tone you set Mark. Welcoming and well mannered has made it easy for people to try a little harder to gain more knowledge. I can imagine there are a lot of folks that would have given up if there was only google but here there is an impetus to keep trying. I do not have a degree but since being on this site I have been able to make a big difference to my work place. You have given so many people the opportunity to shine where facts alone don't cut it.
Cheers mate.


+1

It will be a small disaster if The Swamp is not available anymore. So if you would rather not host it yourself, I would be happy if it is hosted somewhere else so it will be available. If you also don't want to keep ownership, the best thing you can do is to hand it over to a community foundation.

Anyway, I only can respect your thoughts and decisions.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: CottageCGirl on June 23, 2017, 08:50:33 AM
THIS:

https://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=53161.msg579244;topicseen#new
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 23, 2017, 09:01:23 AM
I don't mind maintaining this place if it is still useful. I really don't. It can get very aggravating though when my ISP can not fix their damn problems in a timely manor.

What can I / we do to make this place more useful? Drive more traffic to theswamp.org?

Should we get ride of some of the old forums lying around?

Can we make it more social? Everyone loves social sites now days. :)

I can't really make the place look a lot different.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 23, 2017, 09:02:33 AM
If you also don't want to keep ownership, the best thing you can do is to hand it over to a community foundation.
I would do something like that, yes.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 23, 2017, 09:05:01 AM
From the standpoint of one of my businesses, I'm not quite sure what I'd do without the Swamp, as you have been hosting our Subversion Repository for going on 9 years now. I would definitely help out with the acquisition of a new server, should you decide to keep hosting it.
Holy cow, 9 years! I had no idea it has been that long. Happy to help Jeff. Glad its still working for you. :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: jonesy on June 23, 2017, 09:17:16 AM
I vote to keep it if you/we can afford it.  I have had so much help here over the past however long I have been coming here...

I think possibly one reason it has slowed (especially in the non-coding/non CAD boards) is the economy has still to fully recover... people are made to do more in less time, so we don't always get as much time as we would like.

I have made some damn good friends here, so would like to say thanks Mark, that in itself is priceless.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Greg B on June 23, 2017, 09:22:42 AM
I don't mind maintaining this place if it is still useful. I really don't. It can get very aggravating though when my ISP can not fix their damn problems in a timely manor.
While an annoyance when the site is down, we survive just fine.  A cloud hosted server would be a remedy for that.  My current part-time position has most of its servers cloud based.
What can I / we do to make this place more useful? Drive more traffic to theswamp.org?
I know the place is quiet, but is this something that really needs to happen?  I'd understand it would be good if it was generating revenue for you.
Should we get ride of some of the old forums lying around?
This might not be a bad idea.  Lots of areas for posting might get confusing for people lurking through.
Can we make it more social? Everyone loves social sites now days. :)
While this is what I mainly visit TheSwamp for (and nostalgia) I don't believe that is what is needed.  I think the people on this site are a welcoming elite group of programmers and support.  Just let them keep doing that.  Let this be a reservoir of knowledge.
I can't really make the place look a lot different.
You don't need to make this place look any different.  It's TheSwamp.  It's loved.

I haven't CAD'd since 2008.  I haven't done any types of programming in quite some time.  I don't count the easy VBA scripts in Excel as programming.

I do try to visit daily (except weekends).  I check back regularly during the morning.  I know if I had a question, yo this place will solve it.

I would like to see it stay around.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 23, 2017, 09:23:14 AM
I have made some damn good friends here, so would like to say thanks Mark, that in itself is priceless.
I have too! :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: ChrisCarlson on June 23, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
I'm here daily.  I find it invaluable from a developer perspective, there's a lot of questions and answers that go deeper than at the Autodesk forums.
Then should we trim all  the forums back and just concentrate on the programming?

There are a lot of sections that I've never ventured into, but it seems most are used to some extent. There really is no replacement to this site, so whatever happens, we really need to keep it online in one way or another.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Matt__W on June 23, 2017, 10:08:49 AM
How many sp3lling errors are there?
In this thread collectively or in Krush's posts as a whole?  :-D :-D
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Matt__W on June 23, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
I have made some damn good friends here, so would like to say thanks Mark, that in itself is priceless.
I have too! :)
Same
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Jeff H on June 23, 2017, 10:25:21 AM
I'm just here to pick up chicks.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Marc'Antonio Alessi on June 23, 2017, 10:46:07 AM
From 2006 and especially since 2013, when I abandoned the Autodesk Community Forum, I visit this forum several times a day and find it indispensable for both my work and personal pleasure. Thanks to everyone for what you do.
... and apologize for my English ...
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Dommy2Hotty on June 23, 2017, 10:53:39 AM
I'd like to send a BIG thanks to you, Mark.  This community has been so helpful to me over the past 13 years (Date Registered:    February 02, 2004, 11:13:11 am).  The willingness of EVERYONE here to assist in learning has been wonderful.  Thank you to our community :)

I would be willing to donate/pay for the use of this site just as I am willing to pay for the use of music streaming apps (I will be making a donation next week, at least).  TheSwamp is more rewarding than listening to the same music over and over.  I understand that money doesn't solve it all, as it is also your time that is invested, but you have incurred all the costs for OUR learning & socialization, a little payback is in order!

My participation has dropped due to workload and strict overwatch from the higher-ups!  I used to have time to code at home and get my ideas going, but that time has given way to family (not complaining about that at all!).  I probably play too much online chess instead of more productive things. I guess what I'm saying is that I actually do have the time to be more active here...I just need to make it routine again.

Thank you, again.  TheSwamp has been the only website I've consistently visited for 13 years.  I hope to have many more.

Cheers, Mark!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 23, 2017, 11:04:30 AM
but you have incurred all the costs for OUR learning & socialization, a little payback is in order!
Not all. There has been, and still are, many donations. :)

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This community has been so helpful to me over the past 13 years
Same here!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MSTG007 on June 23, 2017, 11:22:31 AM
Mark, Like everyone has said. It totally be missed. Like most have said, Its just one of things you try to do regularly. Checking in, searching for how to's or (my favorite), creating ideas to keep everyone sharp!

If theswamp does have to go down. It will be missed a lot. Its hard to believe its been the 14 years. For myself, if it must go. I would love a way to save this site for future references. "offline" type of thing. But if you decide to move it to the cloud. That too is not a bad idea. I do hear everyone here, is finding it harder time wise to put in because of other priorities in their lives. Like mentioned before. Family is a big part.

Again, I appreciate your dedication to this place. A lot of Awesome memories. Whatever you decide. Thanks for you have done to now!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MP on June 23, 2017, 12:02:12 PM
The swamp is an oasis treasured by diverse visitors from around the globe. It's value to me is truly difficult to articulate. Vast is a good word. Its preservation strategy must be paramount by more than one man, acknowledging the swamp's vision is credited to but one. Thank you Mark, words fail me.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Dommy2Hotty on June 23, 2017, 01:19:46 PM
The swamp is an oasis treasured by diverse visitors from around the globe. It's value to me is truly difficult to articulate. Vast is a good word. Its preservation strategy must be paramount by more than one man, acknowledging the swamp's vision is credited to but one. Thank you Mark, words fail me.

Extraordinarily well put  :yes:
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 23, 2017, 01:29:04 PM
The swamp is an oasis treasured by diverse visitors from around the globe. It's value to me is truly difficult to articulate. Vast is a good word. Its preservation strategy must be paramount by more than one man, acknowledging the swamp's vision is credited to but one. Thank you Mark, words fail me.

Extraordinarily well put  :yes:
Yes. MP is quite the wordsmith. Seriously.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 23, 2017, 01:30:14 PM
The swamp is an oasis treasured by diverse visitors from around the globe. It's value to me is truly difficult to articulate. Vast is a good word. Its preservation strategy must be paramount by more than one man, acknowledging the swamp's vision is credited to but one. Thank you Mark, words fail me.

Extraordinarily well put  :yes:
Yes. MP is quite the wordsmith. Seriously.
And i'm pretty sure I learned that word (wordsmith) from him. :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 23, 2017, 06:20:43 PM
I think we can safely cut the amount/number of forums down. ...Wget them and offer as a download if people want them.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 23, 2017, 06:26:45 PM
Is there anyway our members visiting AU can do some free advertising?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 23, 2017, 06:29:59 PM
We could make a "swamp bonus tool package"?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: kdub_nz on June 23, 2017, 06:53:48 PM
We could make a "swamp bonus tool package"?

and what is the benefit of that John ?

I've had my goal as helping those who want to help themselves 
... this helps me too, cause I need to get my ideas straight before I open my mouth.

I think a 'giveaway' would result in a heap of requests to "just change this a little bit because it doesn't work exactly the way I want ..."

I don't mind helping someone make their own changes but I want no part of a situation where the expectation is that we service parasites.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: kdub_nz on June 23, 2017, 06:59:18 PM
Mark,
I'd like to think that you don't feel obliged to keep the forums open.

I'm reminded of this ....

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/B3nATT4FPkb3G/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 23, 2017, 07:02:02 PM
I was thinking of a small fee but now you kind of made yourself the needle to my balloon with your real world thought (good point).  ...damn you.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: kdub_nz on June 23, 2017, 07:03:37 PM
my pleasure ... my work is done here.


the balloon was good visual imagery btw. :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 23, 2017, 07:06:03 PM
Lol
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 25, 2017, 10:59:08 AM
I'm reminded of this ....
LOL
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 26, 2017, 07:54:55 AM
I would like to see it stay around.
Thanks for the awesome feedback Greg.

my apologies for missing your post last week.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Greg B on June 26, 2017, 08:39:45 AM
I would like to see it stay around.
Thanks for the awesome feedback Greg.

my apologies for missing your post last week.

No apologies necessary.  I try to be a quiet tenant.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Krushert on June 26, 2017, 10:47:54 AM
I would like to see it stay around.
Thanks for the awesome feedback Greg.

my apologies for missing your post last week.

No apologies necessary.  I try to be a quiet tenant.
**cooouuuugh**  :wideeyed:
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Greg B on June 26, 2017, 10:51:37 AM
**cooouuuugh**  :wideeyed:

What?  Did I use the wrong term?

My website is hosted on his server.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Krushert on June 26, 2017, 11:53:01 AM
**cooouuuugh**  :wideeyed:

What?  Did I use the wrong term?

My website is hosted on his server.
OK, wise crack fell flat.    :sick: 

I did not know Mark was hosting your website, so yes you are a quiet tenant.   

My wisecrack was referring to your wise cracks you make here.   :-D
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Greg B on June 26, 2017, 12:00:16 PM
My wisecrack was referring to your wise cracks you make here.   :-D

I fail to understand what you are getting at.  Could you please elaborate.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MP on June 26, 2017, 12:53:00 PM
Subtitle: You've neve been a quiet tennant.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 27, 2017, 09:50:38 AM
How about we get rid of News and use Lagniappe?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: ChrisCarlson on June 27, 2017, 10:01:14 AM
I'd keep that Lagniappe but purge the rest of that other stuf
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 27, 2017, 11:11:42 AM
These are the forums I'd look to merge and delete. First pass.
Please note, I only took a very quick pass at this.
Code: [Select]
TheSwamp FAQ (modify)

    First things First

Code Red (modify)

    AutoLISP (Vanilla / Visual)
    Visual DCL Programming
*   OpenDCL
*   ObjectDCL
    VB(A)
    .NET
    ARX Programming
    General Programming (was C++)
*   Dynamo
    Show your stuff

CAD Forums (modify)

    CAD General
*   The Third Dimension
    CAD Standards
*   New to CAD
    Dynamic Blocks
    Revit
    Plotting
*   Vertically Challenged
*   Architecturally Speaking
*   Land Lubber / Geographically Positioned
*   AutoCAD MEP

Speak and be Heard (modify)

    News
*   The Suggestion Box

Knowledge Base (modify)

    Teach Me
*   WebDev
    Pixel This!
*   Office Software
*   Tips-n-Tricks
*   Bits and Pcs

Other stuff (modify)

    Lagniappe
    Engineering Discussions/Questions
    Block Lib
    Sponsors Advertisers and Donors
    Member Advertisements
    Businesses
    People ( by member name )
    Job Junk
    The Vent
    Styles
    Prince of Darkness
   
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Krushert on June 27, 2017, 12:21:23 PM
How about we get rid of News and use Lagniappe?

My one cent opinion is not to get rid of them.  These sections and others like them are The Swamp's water coolers and kitchens that are in the offices.  Places to shoot the bull.  If you get rid of them, no matter how hard you preach, people will put the water coolers conversations in the technical sections, the Mod's policing effort will just go up.

Are you trying to free up space?    How about purging The Swamp's back end in these sections?
Do really need to keep that 14 y/o copy of the opinions of some of the more infamous Swamp members as they discussed the merits of some decision made by President Bush?  :sleezy:
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: ronjonp on June 27, 2017, 12:23:44 PM
Maybe if you really want to trim the "fat" .. keep only the top 10 boards (https://www.theswamp.org/index.php?action=stats). :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Greg B on June 27, 2017, 12:26:37 PM
Do really need to keep that 14 y/o copy of the opinions of some of the more infamous Swamp members as they discussed the merits of some decision made by President Bush?  :sleezy:

Considering everyone else in the country talks about decisions of past administrations ALL THE EFFING TIME, I think we should to.   :angel:
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 27, 2017, 01:19:56 PM
How about we get rid of News and use Lagniappe?

My one cent opinion is not to get rid of them. 
I wasn't planning on getting rid of Lagniappe. I was thinking about putting a couple of the more popular posts from News in Lagniappe and getting rid of the News forum.

BTW, space really isn't an issue.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 27, 2017, 01:20:14 PM
Maybe if you really want to trim the "fat" .. keep only the top 10 boards (https://www.theswamp.org/index.php?action=stats). :)
Nice idea Ron. :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 27, 2017, 01:20:30 PM
Do really need to keep that 14 y/o copy of the opinions of some of the more infamous Swamp members as they discussed the merits of some decision made by President Bush?  :sleezy:

Considering everyone else in the country talks about decisions of past administrations ALL THE EFFING TIME, I think we should to.   :angel:
LOL
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 27, 2017, 04:02:26 PM
Going to start removing non-code related forums tomorrow. Now would be a good time to speak your mind. :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MP on June 27, 2017, 04:15:58 PM
Going to start removing non-code related forums tomorrow.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/crwdc.gif)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Jeff H on June 27, 2017, 04:31:15 PM
Going to start removing non-code related forums tomorrow. Now would be a good time to speak your mind. :)

Perfect time to have a meltdown in some in some of the Lagniappe threads.
 
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Daniel J. Ellis on June 28, 2017, 03:32:56 AM
Going to start removing non-code related forums tomorrow. Now would be a good time to speak your mind. :)

I use the Dynamic Blocks forum relatively often, and quite often hang out in Pixel This, so would be grateful if those were to remain, please.

Thank you, Mark, for all the hard work you do around here.

dJE
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 28, 2017, 08:22:58 AM
There are a few folks using one of the other styles. How attached to that style are you? :)

It makes it easier to maintain this place with just the one style.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 28, 2017, 08:24:11 AM
Going to start removing non-code related forums tomorrow. Now would be a good time to speak your mind. :)

I use the Dynamic Blocks forum relatively often, and quite often hang out in Pixel This, so would be grateful if those were to remain, please.
Thanks Daniel. I was planning on moving Pixel this to a child board of Lagniappe.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Greg B on June 28, 2017, 09:03:11 AM
You moved "Ask Mav".

Seriously?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: BlackBox on June 28, 2017, 11:17:17 AM
Mark -

My only now posting in this thread is indicative of not having as much free time to hang out here as I once did... That is due to workload, home improvements, etc, but I still consider TheSwamp to be the single, best performing, and highest concentration of actionable information of any online CAD resource.

Much of my own learning has come from members of TheSwamp, in the LISP, .NET, Land Lubber, & Bits and PCs forums... And I've contributed to threads where I felt that I could (little as that may be).

If change is needed, then I support your decision - so long as you're not having some mid-life crisis Haha - TheSwamp is very much still relevant, and you *should* d@mn well know that!  :angel:

I appreciate all of the time and effort you've put in to make such a place available to this community.


Cheers
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: dubb on June 28, 2017, 03:33:49 PM
I happened to join on 2004-10-20 https://www.theswamp.org/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=30 (https://www.theswamp.org/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=30)
If I can still math, that is about 13 Years and I have been drafting for about 15. I Stumbled on TheSwamp during college. I believe this forum is very useful. Sites like Afralisp, Lee-mac.com, augi, have also helped me in my career as a drafter. I find our forum very useful because of the people in here who actually take the time to respond with answers and comment.

If you are running the forums without seeking reward for the money or time and energy and purely out of passion, I would say keep going at it.

It only brings value to you as a person, which is priceless. Which I already do value your passion in putting together this community.

If you're expecting a return of investment, well you have some competition with other sources. However, if you decide to go that route I'm sure there are enough supporters who will support your cause.

If you decide to pull the plug, well there are still ways to communicate with all of the members but TheSwamp will be remembered instead of living. :sniffles:

As for server hardware, I'm sure we can find donated or low price hardware to run this forum.

I really hope this forum stays alive. Thanks for providing this forum.  :smitten:
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Atook on June 28, 2017, 09:46:44 PM
There are a few folks using one of the other styles. How attached to that style are you? :)

It makes it easier to maintain this place with just the one style.

I gave up on the styles, set it to default and found one on stylish. I like me a dark theme.

Get rid of them if it will make your life easier. :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: huiz on June 29, 2017, 02:09:19 AM
I rather have a mobile theme :-)

Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 29, 2017, 07:48:55 AM
I rather have a mobile theme :-)
Quote
Usage
SMF's support of wireless protocols is always enabled unless the forum code is modified. The WAP, WAP 2, and i-mode protocols can be accessed by adding ?wap, ?wap2, or ?imode respectively at the end of the forum's URL. For example:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap2
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?imode
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: rkmcswain on June 29, 2017, 08:33:57 AM
Quote from: BlackBox

.... I still consider TheSwamp to be the single, best performing, and highest concentration of actionable information of any online CAD resource.




Ditto this.

And for good timing, the Adsk forums are down this morning, at least for many people.

Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: David Bethel on June 29, 2017, 09:41:45 AM
While I don't post much these days, the Swamp and CADtutor are best peer to peer resources for AutoCAD information that I've found.

Just as a question, the swamp goes offline at some time usually over the weekend for maintenance.  I don't know of another site that does this.  Is this to do backups or clear any cache overloads ?

I host my own web site and I really only take it off-line when I need to reboot it ( maybe 3-4 times a year ) 250,000 files @ 55GB


So Yes, the Swamp is very relevant and would be sorely missed.  Thanks for all members work and time.

-David
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on June 29, 2017, 09:54:38 AM
...  Is this to do backups or clear any cache overloads ?

I host my own web site and I really only take it off-line when I need to reboot it ( maybe 3-4 times a year ) 250,000 files @ 55GB


So Yes, the Swamp is very relevant and would be sorely missed.  Thanks for all members work and time.

-David

No this server is running BSD (you don't need to reboot unix/bsd); Mark takes the server offline to preform software updates and just other misc maintenance. Also, he has proven himself a full fledged Unix Admin (best of the best); most other forums do not host the sites themselves (because of knowledge, time, and money).
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: David Bethel on June 29, 2017, 10:11:55 AM


No this server is running BSD (you don't need to reboot unix/bsd); Mark takes the server offline to preform software updates and just other misc maintenance. Also, he has proven himself a full fledged Unix Admin (best of the best); most other forums do not host the sites themselves (because of knowledge, time, and money).

Didn't know this .  Wow !  Thanks
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: T.Willey on June 29, 2017, 11:29:54 AM
I don't really check in much anymore either.  I am still in the process of changing careers to something outside of CAD.  Should be done soon.

I came here from the Adesk forums in 2005 and have never looked back.  This site has made me the programmer I am and has allowed me to find jobs programming in languages outside of Lisp (where I started).  I always say I am self taught, but this could be interpreted as a lie.  Without the help of the Guru's here and at the Adesk forumn (when it was still good), then I would not have made any of the progress I have.  Also, some of the other sites would not be what they are with the knowledge shared here.

I want to say a big Thanks!!! to Mark and the admins that have kept this place what it has always been: a haven for people willing to put in the work to better themselves with the help of others.

I can only echo what Jeff_M (and others) have stated: do what makes you happy Mark.  We all support you and your decision.

I do consider myself lucky to have been a member here for so long, and for the ability to help pay back what I have gotten.

I consider the members here friends.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: BlackBox on June 29, 2017, 02:04:45 PM
...  Is this to do backups or clear any cache overloads ?

I host my own web site and I really only take it off-line when I need to reboot it ( maybe 3-4 times a year ) 250,000 files @ 55GB


So Yes, the Swamp is very relevant and would be sorely missed.  Thanks for all members work and time.

-David

No this server is running BSD (you don't need to reboot unix/bsd); Mark takes the server offline to preform software updates and just other misc maintenance. Also, he has proven himself a full fledged Unix Admin (best of the best); most other forums do not host the sites themselves (because of knowledge, time, and money).

If BSD supports failover-cluster :? (similar to my primary Windows Server has a secondary and even tertiary node? Not sure, I'm just a lowly MTA Server), then perhaps we could/should help Mark obtain that new server, so this server can become that secondary node?


[Edit] - i.e., When primary is taken offline, the secondary node kicks on (using real-time sync), so nobody ever notices... Then when primary maintenance is done, it syncs to active node and then comes back online, so secondary can go offline & resumes real-time sync.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 29, 2017, 02:52:38 PM
...  Is this to do backups or clear any cache overloads ?

I host my own web site and I really only take it off-line when I need to reboot it ( maybe 3-4 times a year ) 250,000 files @ 55GB


So Yes, the Swamp is very relevant and would be sorely missed.  Thanks for all members work and time.

-David

No this server is running BSD (you don't need to reboot unix/bsd); Mark takes the server offline to preform software updates and just other misc maintenance. Also, he has proven himself a full fledged Unix Admin (best of the best); most other forums do not host the sites themselves (because of knowledge, time, and money).

If BSD supports failover-cluster :? (similar to my primary Windows Server has a secondary and even tertiary node? Not sure, I'm just a lowly MTA Server), then perhaps we could/should help Mark obtain that new server, so this server can become that secondary node?


[Edit] - i.e., When primary is taken offline, the secondary node kicks on (using real-time sync), so nobody ever notices... Then when primary maintenance is done, it syncs to active node and then comes back online, so secondary can go offline & resumes real-time sync.

Sounds like a lot of work. :) I use the previous server as my backup (as in files not http) server and run rsync everyday.

I would very much like to have an offsite backup location.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: rkmcswain on June 29, 2017, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Mark
Sounds like a lot of work. :) I use the previous server as my backup (as in files not http) server and run rsync everyday.

I would very much like to have an offsite backup location.

Is cost the primary reason to not just host this with a vendor, in a data center, where the downtime is almost nil?

I mean the performance couldn't be any better than it is now, but wasn't there a problem a while back with a backhoe and a severed data line?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on June 29, 2017, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: Mark
Sounds like a lot of work. :) I use the previous server as my backup (as in files not http) server and run rsync everyday.

I would very much like to have an offsite backup location.

Is cost the primary reason to not just host this with a vendor, in a data center, where the downtime is almost nil?

I mean the performance couldn't be any better than it is now, but wasn't there a problem a while back with a backhoe and a severed data line?
I will be looking into that in the very near future but i have no idea what the cost is. I've just always like doing the hosting myself. I keep all my software up to date and there is very limited access so i feel its a little safer anyway.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: kdub_nz on June 29, 2017, 04:17:00 PM

It was Anna Sewell, the author of Black Beauty who is quoted saying

"It is good people who make good places."


Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: owenwengerd on July 02, 2017, 11:19:03 AM
As of a few months ago, all of my old servers are now running on MS Azure. It has taken several years and no small measure of aggravation to adapt my ways and also to find an optimal cost/benefit ratio to get acceptable performance without breaking the bank. I can't say that the universe is better now (how many millions of years does it take for old servers to decompose?), but moving those servers to the cloud has definitely made my life easier and my office more spacious. Yes, it comes at a cost. In my case it has been worth the cost.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: huiz on July 02, 2017, 01:05:49 PM
I rather have a mobile theme :)
Quote
Usage
SMF's support of wireless protocols is always enabled unless the forum code is modified. The WAP, WAP 2, and i-mode protocols can be accessed by adding ?wap, ?wap2, or ?imode respectively at the end of the forum's URL. For example:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap)
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap2)
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?imode (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?imode)

That is not really a mobile theme  :(
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Tuoni on July 02, 2017, 02:54:35 PM
Like others in this thread, I think the amount of time it has taken me to see/respond to this thread is indicative of... something.  But the fact that I keep coming back here after over 10 years, especially as I haven't been CADing for the vast majority of that time, is also indicative of... something else.

I am glad that the decision which was made appears to have been "cut down the number of subfora" rather than shutdown.  This is the only forum I come back to regularly, and it's certainly the only site I can think of I've regularly come to for over 10 years.

There are a couple of things you could do to make the site look a little less "dead" - as you've already done, cutting down the number of sections, and as I haven't yet seen suggested, remove the date stamps from the index page.

If you ever want any help to lighten the load of admining here, please feel free to give me a shout.  I'm finally back in front of magic black screens, and adding one more to the list is no problem.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Daniel J. Ellis on July 03, 2017, 03:15:19 AM
Like others in this thread, I think the amount of time it has taken me to see/respond to this thread is indicative of... something.  But the fact that I keep coming back here after over 10 years, ...

Ten years?  It really did take you a long time to read this thread  :2funny: :uglystupid2:

dJE
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Jeff H on July 03, 2017, 08:48:57 AM
Am I the only one that hears the song "Its the end of the world as we know it" whenever I read this thread?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Greg B on July 03, 2017, 09:10:07 AM
Am I the only one that hears the song "Its the end of the world as we know it" whenever I read this thread?

Sorry...that was an embedded song I posted earlier.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MSTG007 on July 03, 2017, 09:24:25 AM
I gotta ask... best topics ever lol.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Daniel J. Ellis on July 04, 2017, 02:47:01 AM
Am I the only one that hears the song "Its the end of the world as we know it" whenever I read this thread?

I was getting Mr.Spock from StarTrekkin, but I think that's about to change....

dJE
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: hudster on July 04, 2017, 04:06:01 AM
I wonder if the drop off in use is due in some part to the decline of "traditional" CAD methods.
We started Using Revit about 5 years ago, and its went from about 5% of our work to 95% in those 5 years. We now only use CAD for small projects where the Architect doesn't have Revit and for Schematics which aren't really all that good in Revit.

I fell away for a while due to relevance and workload, but I'm on here almost every day again. I've yet to find a site where you can ask a really dumb question and get a helpful response, the community of users on here are second to none. Even the AUGI forums are not a patch on this place.

If it ended, it would be a sorely missed resource.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: CincyJeff on July 06, 2017, 12:27:43 PM
Add me to the list of near daily visitors. I spend the majority of my time writing custom lisps for AutoCAD and this is usually my first stop for help. The regulars have a depth of knowledge and experience the other sites can't match. I would surely miss it.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: squirreldip on July 06, 2017, 02:34:52 PM
I go in spurts.  When I get active on coding something I use this site as my go-to.  It may not be as active as it once was but it is a great resource and enough activity that questions get answered fairly quickly.

There's always good discussions and sufficient activity for ideas.  It would be sad if it were gone.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: jhadams82 on July 07, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
I just started CAD 6 months ago and this place has been indispensable.  Yeah maybe there's not a new post everyday, but I know that if I have a problem I just can't crack, the guys are here to help.  When I do post a question, it's usually answered within a day max.  And before I do, while I'm googling for answers, I usually end up back here because somebody's asked the same question before.

If managing the site has become cumbersome, I'm sure there are ways (and people) available to fix that.  But don't worry about this place being irrelevant.  Could not be further from the truth.  This place has all the rock stars showing up on a regular basis.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on July 07, 2017, 03:22:58 PM
I rather have a mobile theme :)
Quote
Usage
SMF's support of wireless protocols is always enabled unless the forum code is modified. The WAP, WAP 2, and i-mode protocols can be accessed by adding ?wap, ?wap2, or ?imode respectively at the end of the forum's URL. For example:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap)
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?wap2)
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?imode (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?imode)

That is not really a mobile theme  :(
I know but better than nothing :)

I believe the next release will have a mobile theme.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: gstein on July 09, 2017, 02:02:42 AM
I have to say the swamp has been the place where I go to for Autolisp suggestions and solutions. I guess I should be posting more and not just reading.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: jt-coco on July 11, 2017, 07:37:09 PM
The Swamp is my best help, when i have a question always going to the swamp and always i find an answer, i know than i do not participate but it is helped to me very much.
Regards
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: BlackCADDER on July 12, 2017, 01:06:48 AM
Mark, IMHO this is the best site for AutoCAD programming.
I use LISP as a tool for drafting and your site has been an enormous help to me over the years.
I have not posted any code here,  mainly because most of the stuff that I write is fit for purpose,
generally finished just enough so that it works.  Also my code looks like crap compared to the master blasters here.
Having said that, it is no excuse for not posting anything. I do apologise and promise to be more code pro active in future.
I am happy to assist your site financially to keep it going. Whatever you decide, you are a champ. Thanks.
dm
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Randall Culp on July 13, 2017, 07:36:52 PM
Do really need to keep that 14 y/o copy of the opinions of some of the more infamous Swamp members ...

ouch
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Randall Culp on July 13, 2017, 07:49:42 PM
While I don't post here nearly as often as I used to (okay the applause I understand, but the cheers were just unnecessary) it is the first place I go to answer a question, usually accomplished by searching the vast storehouse of incredible information housed here.  (Thanks Mark, et al)  It is a rare week when I don't point someone this way for a sticky issue.  That said, anything you wish to do Mark is fine by me, your court, your call.  Trim away the endless discussions on the Constitution or dog owners or any of a hundred other threads that don't really matter if you want, but I think the repository of information here is too valuable to lose.

thanks again
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: cmwade77 on July 18, 2017, 11:43:14 AM
Honestly this is my go to source when I can't figure something out, even with some non programming AutoCAD issues and almost always before turning to Autodesk....why? Because I get a more accurate answer here and in substantially less time than asking elsewhere.

As for a hosted forum, this one looks very promising:
https://proboards.com/

It seems to have very good reviews, so it might be something to consider.

As near as I can tell, there are three options with them:
All of the options appear to offer unlimited forums and users.

They will also offer some incentives to move forums with more than 50 registered users: https://proboards.com/switch-to-proboards-free-forums

I am not sure what your current costs run, but these seem like reasonable prices to me. I mean given the number of users on this forum, it would amount to very little per user to cover the $50 a month if those features were important. I am unclear if the $50 option includes using your own domain or not, so that might be another $15 a year, but not too bad.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: mjfarrell on August 04, 2017, 03:28:56 PM
I think this place serves a purpose not filled by the official Autodesk Discussion groups.


It's more user based and that adds immeasurable value.


It would be a loss to see this site evaporate.

Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on August 04, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
Thank you Michael and others. Appreciate the feedback.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: wizman on August 04, 2017, 05:58:42 PM
Mark, you have succeeded in gathering the best lispers around the world who have devoted time in solving complex challenges and are willing to teach potential minds.  Your contribution to CAD community is valuable.  May you find motivation in coming up with new ideas to keep the site active because even though there are less posts, this site still remains home to many.


Ron



Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: hugha on August 05, 2017, 04:15:21 AM
1++ to all of the above. 

This board is the specialist resource of choice for CAD coders and has an unparalleled reputation.

Please keep it afloat - the suggestion that it be hosted elsewhere may prove the best solution.


best wishes,
Hugh Adamson


 
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: CHulse on August 13, 2017, 10:32:27 AM
I think this place serves a purpose not filled by the official Autodesk Discussion groups.


It's more user based and that adds immeasurable value.


It would be a loss to see this site evaporate.

I have to totally agree. I don't post as much as I used to, but still lurk here almost daily. Would be a real shame to see it go.
Thanks for all your efforts Mark.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: curmudgeon on August 18, 2017, 07:30:29 PM
I have been here less often because of changes in my work environment.
I have very much appreciated all the assistance I have found here over the years.
You can see easier than I can recall how often I am here, but when I come, it has been a gold mine.

And I want to thank you.
Personally, I see your point, and I think it is the industry that has moved. Don't know what we can do about that.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: fools on August 27, 2017, 09:47:50 AM
I leave lisp several years, now come back as a beginner.
I'm very happy to find theswamp is still here, as kind as before.
Because of work, maybe I'll leave lisp again. But I wish theswamp will always be there.
Like a lighthouse on the dark sea, like the brightest star in the night sky.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: e2002 on September 08, 2017, 09:30:13 PM
Theswamp 论坛,应该是这个世界上技术第一的AutoLISP社区了,这么多年以来,对AutoLISP程序员来说,这个论坛是个极好的学习技术的地方。非常感谢论坛各位LISP专家,让我还有很多中国的AutoLISP爱好者学到了很多...希望theswamp论坛继续存在和发展...
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MP on September 08, 2017, 11:09:41 PM
Theswamp 论坛,应该是这个世界上技术第一的AutoLISP社区了,这么多年以来,对AutoLISP程序员来说,这个论坛是个极好的学习技术的地方。非常感谢论坛各位LISP专家,让我还有很多中国的AutoLISP爱好者学到了很多...希望theswamp论坛继续存在和发展...

Quote from: google translator
Theswamp forum, which should be the world's first technology autoLISP community, for so many years, for AutoLISP programmers, this forum is an excellent place to learn technology. Thank you very much for the forums LISP experts, so I have a lot of Chinese AutoLISP enthusiasts have learned a lot ... hope theswamp forum continues to exist and develop ...

Nice!!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on September 22, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
Anyone know of, or have experience with, quality web hosting companies or dedicated server companies? I believe that is the direction  we are going in. That way if and when I want to give this place to another dedicated person to run I can just hand over the password.

Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MP on September 22, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
Unfortunately I cannot recommend bluehost anymore. They were bought out awhile ago and sport different business and customer relation principles I find disturbing to say the least.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Crookedmonk on September 22, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
Mark,
As a rookie here, I find theswamp, the most valuable tools I have seen. Yes Google has the same information, but most of that information has links back to here. In the 3-4 months since I have been here, I have read almost every forum, and continue to read every day. I have found more tools here during this time.
Not only that I have found everyone here is beyond friendly (like scary Georgia friendly, if your are from Mass. you would understand).
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on September 22, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
I've gone thru quite a few in the past Mark and have little good to say about the dreamhosts, directnics and godaddies (shudder) of the web world. Until Bluehost. They may not be the cheapest but they've been reliable, prompt with software upgrades and bonus, their control panel is not a nightmare. On funding and/or supporting the swamp on some other server please know I'm in ftw.
Thank you sir. I'll give them a look-see. Not to worried about the price. I'm happy to pay for good/great.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on September 22, 2017, 02:44:13 PM
Mark,
As a rookie here, I find theswamp, the most valuable tools I have seen. Yes Google has the same information, but most of that information has links back to here. In the 3-4 months since I have been here, I have read almost every forum, and continue to read every day. I have found more tools here during this time.
Not only that I have found everyone here is beyond friendly (like scary Georgia friendly, if your are from Mass. you would understand).
LOL
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: cmwade77 on September 22, 2017, 02:52:58 PM
Anyone know of, or have experience with, quality web hosting companies or dedicated server companies? I believe that is the direction  we are going in. That way if and when I want to give this place to another dedicated person to run I can just hand over the password.
While there are limitations with it, I use Weebly, but I don't think that would probably work as well for something like TheSwamp.

I could see going in a couple of directions here:
Using a webhosting service, there are a lot of benefits in simplicity with this option, but quite often comes with a high cost and limited scalability if you have more users than the system can handle.

The other option would be to use something like AWS to run your own web server in the cloud. This would be a bit more complicated to setup at first, but once running would be the same as running a web server now. The advantage here is you can setup AutoScaling so if there is a heavy load on the server at any given time it can scale up by adding additional servers and then automatically scale down when demand is lower with this option you could be paying as little as $15-$20 a month including storage costs, depending on the amount of storage needed of course.

DISCLAIMER: We use AWS for everything, even running our workstations technically (yes we run AutoCAD and Revit on Remote Desktops on AWS), so I am a bit biased. Please reach out to me if you would be interested in learning more, it really could work well to ensure scalability when it is needed and that you aren't paying for what you aren't using when it isn't needed. Many large companies are going this route for their webhosting, as are some smaller companies due to the flexibility it offers. I know this sounds like an advertisement for AWS, but it isn't intended to be, I just want you to be able to consider all options.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on September 22, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
Wow, had know idea AWS could do all that. Very cool. And you can create an account for free.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Atook on September 22, 2017, 04:47:44 PM
Anyone know of, or have experience with, quality web hosting companies or dedicated server companies? ..

I've also heard good things about Bluehost.

I've been using Dreamhost for a few different sites now for 12 years, and haven't had any issues with them. I'm on a shared host plan, so the performance isn't as great as the swamp, but they've been reliable.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on September 24, 2017, 08:50:18 AM
Wow, had know idea AWS could do all that. Very cool. And you can create an account for free.
Account setup and LAMP stack running. Seems pretty straight forward so far. Need to look into http credentials.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Atook on September 24, 2017, 02:08:12 PM
Account setup and LAMP stack running. Seems pretty straight forward so far. Need to look into http credentials.
Sounds like a fun learning project Mark.

Thanks again for all your work around here. :-)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: cmwade77 on September 25, 2017, 01:31:08 PM
Wow, had know idea AWS could do all that. Very cool. And you can create an account for free.
Yeah, AWS can do a lot, I believe if you have an image of your current server you can even use that to launch an EC2 instance that would essentially be exactly what you have now or at least as of when the image was made. Obviously you would have to do some Security settings on AWS and some DNS reconfiguration, but other than that it could be fairly seamless.

And depending on the size server you need you might even get the entire first year completely free for what you are doing and let me know if you go that route and need some help setting it up, but overall this one should be fairly straight forward for you.

And really we haven't even scratched the surface of what all AWS can do.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on September 25, 2017, 03:19:53 PM
Wow, had know idea AWS could do all that. Very cool. And you can create an account for free.
Yeah, AWS can do a lot, I believe if you have an image of your current server you can even use that to launch an EC2 instance that would essentially be exactly what you have now or at least as of when the image was made. Obviously you would have to do some Security settings on AWS and some DNS reconfiguration, but other than that it could be fairly seamless.

And depending on the size server you need you might even get the entire first year completely free for what you are doing and let me know if you go that route and need some help setting it up, but overall this one should be fairly straight forward for you.

And really we haven't even scratched the surface of what all AWS can do.
Thanks for the offer I will probably take you up on it. :)

I believe now that i have a LAMP running I can do everything i need. I've got PUTTY setup so i can SSH into the server. That will allow me to upload all the files. The only thing i'm not sure of just yet is how to install software, if possible at all. I get my https certificate from Let's Encrypt Authority and you use certbot to set them up for the web server. Doubt they have that already installed but i'll look.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: cmwade77 on September 26, 2017, 08:02:02 PM
No problem, if I can't answer it, my IT assistant should be able to do so. Although, I am not exactly sure what LAMP is, we do everything through the EC2 servers, that way they are full computer systems that we can install whatever we need to on, again my assistant probably would know.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on September 27, 2017, 09:08:42 AM
No problem, if I can't answer it, my IT assistant should be able to do so. Although, I am not exactly sure what LAMP is, we do everything through the EC2 servers, that way they are full computer systems that we can install whatever we need to on, again my assistant probably would know.
That stands for Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP. I'm using Lightsail (https://amazonlightsail.com/) and running one of their images for $5 a month. Not sure if i could make just an EC2 server work or not.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: cmwade77 on September 27, 2017, 07:31:53 PM
So, basically, Lightsail is pretty much a prebuilt EC-2 instance, which is what they call essentially a computer on their systems, designed for simplicity to get up and running quickly, but as a result, you do loose some flexibility with it.
EC-2 is essentially a full computer that you can remote into from anywhere and do anything that you can do on a computer.

Some advantages to Lightsail over EC-2:
Set monthly pricing based on what you need
Easy to setup and maintain
Simple to understand

Some advantages to EC-2 over Lightsail:
Fully scaleable in real time, when you need more power, EC-2 instance can be added automatically in the background and when less is needed, it can be automatically closed. Lightsail can scale to a point, but not to the same degree and not as much in real time.
Pay for only what you use
Has tiers that are free for an entire year and that may very well include data transfers.
Inbound data transfers don't usually count again your data limits, not sure about on Lightsail.
Has more options for types of computers and operating systems
Can run an image of your existing system if you so choose

Basically, if you setup your own web server locally, you should be able to setup and configure an EC-2 instance without much difficulty, as it is essentially the same thing, you are just doing it remotely instead of physically where you are and you have to create the instance first.

Now which one is right for your needs? Well, in the end only you can decide that, they both have pluses and minuses.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on October 02, 2017, 11:20:23 AM
I've gone thru quite a few in the past Mark and have little good to say about the dreamhosts, directnics and godaddies (shudder) of the web world. Until Bluehost. They may not be the cheapest but they've been reliable, prompt with software upgrades and bonus, their control panel is not a nightmare. On funding and/or supporting the swamp on some other server please know I'm in ftw.
Does Bluehost have the ability to setup forums like this one included? AWS may be a bit confusing for a non-unix person to take on, if/when i turn this place over.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: cmwade77 on October 02, 2017, 07:47:32 PM
I've gone thru quite a few in the past Mark and have little good to say about the dreamhosts, directnics and godaddies (shudder) of the web world. Until Bluehost. They may not be the cheapest but they've been reliable, prompt with software upgrades and bonus, their control panel is not a nightmare. On funding and/or supporting the swamp on some other server please know I'm in ftw.
Does Bluehost have the ability to setup forums like this one included? AWS may be a bit confusing for a non-unix person to take on, if/when i turn this place over.
You could be right there, much like if you have built your own Linux server and tried to turn it over to someone would be the same thing.

As for Bluehost, doing a quick google search, it appears it does:
https://my.bluehost.com/cgi/help/forum

I am sure other types of forums could be accommodated as well.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: airportman on November 03, 2017, 11:18:27 AM
Hey Mark:

like the other guys, I use this site pretty much once per week. I continue to rework my code based on requirements. I could not live without the Swamp. I remember another great resource that disappeared about 8 years ago. That was a sad day. Luckily, I found the Swamp as a replacement to it.   :lol:

Its hard to believe, but I've been CADDing in one form or another for almost 25 years. Sometimes as a user/designer, and sometimes as the behind the scenes guy developing improvements on the daily.

Consider your options to move it to the CLOUD and save yourself time and money.
Don't put it to sleep. We will all cry for years without it.   :no:

And thank you for the amazing 14 years to this point.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: pBe on November 08, 2017, 11:57:10 AM
This is my go-to-site, there's never been a better place to learn efficient coding

Thank you Mark for putting up with the likes of us :) Wow 14 years.....
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: nokiya2000 on December 05, 2017, 06:27:01 AM
This site is an irreplaceable to me that I learnt a lots of thing about Auto Cad and AutoLisp.

I learnt huge things from this site.

Please I am kindly asking to keep this site as possible.

Thank you so much!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: GaryJ on January 03, 2018, 10:26:37 AM
Hello all,

Just found this place and am sincerely hoping it doesn't go away any time soon. Been using ACAD since the 80s and playing with LISP and VBA since the 90s. The folks at Autodesk finally convinced me to make the move to BricsCAD. Very impressed with the enhanced APIs and functionality. Looking at doing some semi-serious development and resources like this are gold. Can't say I'll be here every day but this is one of the first places I will look when I get stuck.

V/r,
GaryJ
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MP on January 03, 2018, 10:51:02 AM
Welcome Gary. You’ve found the #1 site for those afflicted with OCD (Obsessive CAD Development). I share your sentiments about Autodesk - wish I was in a position to buy BricsCAD, REALLY want to start supporting said platform with a vengeance. Looking forward to your contributions, cheers. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on January 13, 2018, 04:54:41 PM
Okay ................... finally got this place moved to a hosting provider.

Please don't use the fancy code tags. The PHP code is broken. :(

Let me know if you have any problems.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Lee Mac on January 13, 2018, 05:15:02 PM
Congrats Mark, and thanks for all your hard work & perseverence.

Site feels quick!  :-)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on January 13, 2018, 05:16:25 PM
Congrats Mark, and thanks for all your hard work & perseverence.

Site feels quick!  :-)
You're welcome Lee. And yes, it does seem pretty quick.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Atook on January 13, 2018, 05:27:54 PM
+1, Congrats Mark!

Congrats Mark, and thanks for all your hard work & perseverence.
Site feels quick!  :-)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: CAB on January 14, 2018, 10:31:18 AM
Well done Mark.
I hope the move makes your life easier in the long run.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: jonesy on January 15, 2018, 02:59:39 AM
Well done Mark.
I hope the move makes your life easier in the long run.

+1
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Daniel J. Ellis on January 15, 2018, 03:46:23 AM
Congratulations Mark, and thank you as ever for your hard work (though I have no conception of WHAT the move may have entailed for you!).

When I logged on this morning I can a certificate error - I presume that's related?

dJE
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Krushert on January 15, 2018, 06:00:24 AM
Seems like you did put a few extra horses under the hood,  Mark.   Thanks for keeping this place great.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on January 15, 2018, 07:26:41 AM
When I logged on this morning I can a certificate error - I presume that's related?

Yep. Haven't setup the ssl just yet. I wanted to get everything else working first.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MSTG007 on January 15, 2018, 07:37:31 AM
Looking pretty good!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Daniel J. Ellis on January 15, 2018, 08:28:43 AM
When I logged on this morning I can a certificate error - I presume that's related?

Yep. Haven't setup the ssl just yet. I wanted to get everything else working first.

Great - wanted to make sure you were aware of it.

dJE
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: rkmcswain on January 15, 2018, 08:38:28 AM
When I logged on this morning I can a certificate error - I presume that's related?

You can also just remove the "s" from https://....
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MP on January 15, 2018, 10:30:49 AM
Wow, site seems speedy. Hope there’s full link integrity and this means less demands on Mark’s time and energies. Kudos to Mark for well over a decade of superlative support and community building.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: ronjonp on January 15, 2018, 10:53:51 AM
Wow, site seems speedy. Hope there’s full link integrity and this means less demands on Mark’s time and energies. Kudos to Mark for well over a decade of superlative support and community building.
This ^^  :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: dubb on January 16, 2018, 01:44:38 AM
Hmm....after reading the last 10 comments..I finally found out what's happened to our swamp. Nice upgrade for 2018! We are off to a good start.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on January 17, 2018, 03:26:37 PM
Congrats and nice job, Mark.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on January 18, 2018, 07:25:07 PM
Everyone, I'm sorry to say that the custom code tags we worked so hard to integrate (we had a forum mod which I had to update for the latest version of PHP at the time) is very far out of date and most likely will not be re-intergrated into theSwamp. To do that, I would have to fork that mod and overhaul it for our current setup.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MickD on January 18, 2018, 07:47:45 PM
Everyone, I'm sorry to say that the custom code tags we worked so hard to integrate (we had a forum mod which I had to update for the latest version of PHP at the time) is very far out of date and most likely will not be re-intergrated into theSwamp. To do that, I would have to fork that mod and overhaul it for our current setup.

I'm happy to contribute to get this back on track, let me know what I can do and where to start.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on January 18, 2018, 08:05:26 PM
Everyone, I'm sorry to say that the custom code tags we worked so hard to integrate (we had a forum mod which I had to update for the latest version of PHP at the time) is very far out of date and most likely will not be re-intergrated into theSwamp. To do that, I would have to fork that mod and overhaul it for our current setup.

I'm happy to contribute to get this back on track, let me know what I can do and where to start.
That's awesome. ...I don't have PHP or anything to test anything on at the moment but I suppose the first steps after I get configured myself was going to be to start a new project on github and start messing around (I'd like to do it right this time). Honestly, the only information I have so far is "it was throwing up a ton of errors". The last time this happened, I edited the mod blind (no php and/or ide); I did most of the modifications via a ssh session, vi, and patch files (it was very "old school" and done mostly with coffee, will power, and mind control). I'll get a link to you--so you can peek at the mod--and we can at least start forming a plan from there.

EDIT: PM sent.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on January 25, 2018, 01:15:48 PM
As of now, the Custom code tags with syntax highlighting has been reinstalled and is working perfectly again. We all owe MickD a huge thank you for his PHP skills.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MP on January 25, 2018, 02:30:21 PM
Thanks & kudos to Mick. (http://theswamp.org/screens/mp/thumbsup.gif)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MickD on January 25, 2018, 05:40:31 PM
Thanks & kudos to Mick. (http://theswamp.org/screens/mp/thumbsup.gif)

no worries, thanks :)

John and Mark did a lot of work too crossing their fingers each time they had to test a tweak to the system.  :yes:
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: cmwade77 on January 25, 2018, 06:50:29 PM
As of now, the Custom code tags with syntax highlighting has been reinstalled and is working perfectly again. We all owe MickD a huge thank you for his PHP skills.
Wow, that was fast and a perfect example of why this forum is important, how many places do you know of that has people with not only the willingness to step in and do this, but also the skills to do so this quickly?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: CAB on January 26, 2018, 10:41:11 AM
Thanks & kudos to Mick. (http://theswamp.org/screens/mp/thumbsup.gif)

Ditto  8)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: mjfarrell on January 26, 2018, 01:11:26 PM
As of now, the Custom code tags with syntax highlighting has been reinstalled and is working perfectly again. We all owe MickD a huge thank you for his PHP skills.
Wow, that was fast and a perfect example of why this forum is important, how many places do you know of that has people with not only the willingness to step in and do this, but also the skills to do so this quickly?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MP on January 26, 2018, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: Mark
We are getting close with the attachments. I have about 3000 left to upload.

Yeow: Thank you for everything you've done and do for this community Mark!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: JohnK on January 26, 2018, 07:47:40 PM
Quote from: Mark
We are getting close with the attachments. I have about 3000 left to upload.
By my rough calcs: that's about 3,400 attachments a day, since we've switched. ...JimmyJohns ain't got nothing on you but do you think you can speed it up a little?
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: feng on February 18, 2018, 08:46:39 AM
Hi Mark,

I vividly remember the years when I used to spend hours on this forum years ago. But I haven't been using AutoCAD for quite a few years since I moved to a new job which has nothing to do with civil engineering.

I was organizing some online passwords today and saw theswamp.org. It brought me back. But I wasn't able to use the old login name and password and I had to register this new one.

It felt great to see quite a few familiar names are still here, including Michael who had visited Hawaii and taught Civil 3D at the company where I used to work.

My warm regards to all the old/new friends here.

Aloha,
Kelie
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: enderprime on February 22, 2018, 07:11:47 PM
I am an AutoCAD and Civil 3D programmer at work and the swamp helped me with some tough problems when I was new to lisp. I have a hosting account with a local provider here in Houston with many domains, and I would be glad to add the swamp to the list if you want to look into moving / exporting the forum database to our hosted servers. We've had the host for something like 10 years and no plans on stopping anytime soon since some friends run businesses through it.

Let me know man I would hate to see this awesome resource disappear  :smitten:

ender.prime@gmail.com
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on February 23, 2018, 06:50:10 AM
Let me know man I would hate to see this awesome resource disappear  :smitten:
Thanks for the offer. I actually moved it to a hosting service last month. So all is well. theswamp.org/forum isn't going anywhere as long as there is someone to keep it running.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: MSTG007 on February 23, 2018, 07:28:32 AM
That is so awesome! Thanks Mark!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on February 23, 2018, 07:30:41 AM
That is so awesome! Thanks Mark!
You're welcome! :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: rw2691 on March 01, 2018, 02:49:23 PM
@MP,

Quote
Welcome Gary. You’ve found the #1 site for those afflicted with OCD (Obsessive CAD Development). I share your sentiments about Autodesk - wish I was in a position to buy BricsCAD, REALLY want to start supporting said platform with a vengeance. Looking forward to your contributions, cheers. :thumbsup:

Go to...  https://www.bricsys.com/protected/registerDeveloper?type=developer

If you want to do commercial programming (for free use or by sales) they will provide you with a free installation of BricsCAD. I opted to buy my copy instead, because I do CAD work through my profession.

It is a great CAD! I had no trouble porting my LISP programs, and minimal trouble with doing the same for my COM applications. Everything is running with no bugs.

Rick
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: DeeGeeCees_V.2.0 on March 06, 2018, 08:54:54 AM
I'm glad I made it back in here, and to see it's still thriving with some familiar faces. This one of the first forums I've ever signed up on. Lots of remarkable people doing remarkable things, all thanks to Mark.

Cheers!
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2018, 09:11:21 AM
I'm glad I made it back in here, and to see it's still thriving with some familiar faces. This one of the first forums I've ever signed up on. Lots of remarkable people doing remarkable things, all thanks to Mark.
Wow! Thank you very much D. :)
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: ScottMC on March 13, 2018, 11:08:58 PM
Please "put the things of the past behind you" as what is now is the most valuable! At least to me.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Tharwat on March 14, 2018, 01:19:58 AM
Hi,

I was wondering since the last update of this website where to post the following warning message so after seeing this thread I decided to post it here so please feel free to move it to the correct forum if its not related to this one.

Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: rkmcswain on March 14, 2018, 07:45:19 AM
Hi,

I was wondering since the last update of this website where to post the following warning message so after seeing this thread I decided to post it here so please feel free to move it to the correct forum if its not related to this one.

See also, this post (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=53159.msg585015#msg585015).


Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Mark on March 14, 2018, 08:22:35 AM
I was wondering since the last update of this website where to post the following warning message so after seeing this thread I decided to post it here so please feel free to move it to the correct forum if its not related to this one.
It's okay. Chrome now warns you if the site is http only.
Title: Re: TheSwamp, as we know it.
Post by: Tharwat on March 14, 2018, 08:43:30 AM
See also, this post (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=53159.msg585015#msg585015).
Thank you, that works.

It's okay. Chrome now warns you if the site is http only.
Good to know, thank you.