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CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: Mark on January 06, 2004, 11:55:43 AM
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I would have to say mechanical judging the complexity of the dwg's, although I've never done any!
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ME! --I'm stuck using a piece of crappy softwear.
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I would have to say Mechanical....... but I could see all of them being difficult in their own particular way.....
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I'd have to agree with Se7en :D . CrapoStation Sux! Sorry man.......
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That's a difficult question. I've done machine parts for a semiconductor plant and it was quite easy. I do architectural, some structural and seen electrical and land development. Those are all difficult in their own right because of the thinking that has to go into each. At the same time each one could get into a rut if you recycle drawings like architectural. I might have to agree with 7 also. The software and the ability to make it work for you makes you what you are.
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How are you basing the question ??? Are you refering to the amount of things involved in a project? The amount of things needed to be remembered and used? Maybe you are refering to the amount of work involved or perhaps the amount of sheets used.? Or even the amount of time involved?
I would have to say the hardest job would be the soldier in Iraq, hunkered down in his hole for the night and having nightmares of the truck that blew up in front of him on the road a week ago. Hoping that tomorrow, he will be able to get through the day without being shot at. :(
But then again, my view may not be his view. Perhaps he is there because he loves what he does. He trains himself in his mind day in and day out of what to do and when to do it. His heart is solid, he doesn't flinch when he pulls the trigger and doesn't wince when the truck in front of him explodes because of some roadside bomb.
He's a draftsman you know. When his crew is standing around him, he draws the assault plan out on the dust of the road. Using the tools of the trade, they organize the project, the cost analysis, the materials used, etc..
My job causes me to think too much, ... it hurts. :?
Any ways, ... I would have to say Structural. But then again, I'm thinking of the engineer who designs the project, not the draftsman who puts it all together.
So, for the Draftsman, I would have to say the one that has a real loser of a boss. One who doesn't know squat about drafting, one who doesn't care about drafting, let alone the draftsman. One who makes the draftsman hate to come to work in the morning but has to to make the bills. One who suppresses his employees just to try and make the world think he's great. One who makes the draftsman work on an ancient PC that crashes and causes major problems simply because of it's age ... and the boss yelling because the draftsman is incompetent.
I HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES !!! :shock:
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John has the hardest job :D Using ol' M-Station
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Second hardest or should I say the crappiest drafting job would go to civil. I've done Architectural, Civil, Mechanical and Electrical and Civil hands down was the worst one. Sorry Mark :cry:
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Well, in degree of complexity I would say manufacturing, mechanical, structural, architectural, electrical, piping and civil.
Of course the degree of complexity does not really mean difficulty if you know your field well, and if you know your program well. I have worked in a manufacturing facility where we had to know EVERY facet of production and had to provide tons of drawing to production personel for a single project, imagine a single person drafting over 150 pages of documents simply to produce a single item, never mind that the product cost 100k each, but the fact is it was tedious, time consuming, and ultimately unrewarding. So, my vote goes to manufacturing... may none of you ever experience it....
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In my experience, architectural comes a close second to civil. Both have waaaaaaaay too many thing to keep track of! Utilities and signs and contours and those dratted spot elevations...and doors and fixtures and furniture and lights and finishes.....gaaaah. :shock: Give me a nice, clean structural plan any day. :-)
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CIVIL/SURVEY BY FAR!! All of the other fields produce a "final" product that is used usually in house or by others in creating the designed item. In civil/survey I am creating the "base' product that you will then build your design upon. So I have to take great care to keep the drawing clean and uncluttered so you can clutter it up with you design. My upgrades are retarded by the software that the client is using. I can't go to 2000-what-ever if my client can't use that format. (and why loose all the new toys when you save to an older version ?) And then there's "I can't see the contours !! WHINE! WHINE!" Oh your Cheappieceo'crap 2000 pac doesn't support AEC objects ? My bad. I have to draw complex topos and utility plans keeping it as simple as possible. I can't fire up LDD3 and use all of its tool because my end users are skinflints!!
All of ya'll that are producing finishe products, no matter how complex, have it freaking made!
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:P
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This is so obvious that it hardly needs explaining. But, not having that ever stop me before, I'll explain:
Who gets the drawings/plans last everytime? Electrical
Who gets the drawings/plans changed after 95% of their work is complete everytime? Electrical
Who gets left with the tiniest bit of the budget because they got the project last and, when they charge half of the time needed to do the job, end up blowing the budget everytime then have to face the wratch of managers and the pointy-headed geeks in the accounting department because 'You guys are always blowin' the budget!' even though they have no control whatsoever over the rest of the budget which every other department/field of engineering has squandered away leaving them with peanuts and are still expected to come in under budget which is enough stress to cause them to start using run-on sentences all of the time? Electrical
Who has to face the constant 'joke' which not only happens to be so old that it has dinosaur poop on it but it also suffers from an immense lack of creativity and originality on the tellers part about how they 'don't draw to scale' even though much of what is drawn happens to be perfectly to scale when the rest is not, only because it's done schematically? Electrical
Drafting is easy. It doesn't matter if you're drawing projects the size of the world trade center or projects so small you almost feel ashamed to be wasting an entire sheet of 8-1/2 X 11 paper on it.
Dealing with the pointy-headed management types is another thing altogether. Add to that having to deal with the rest of your 'brethren' using you as a constant butt of their poor 'jokes' and the constant target of their finger pointing when it comes to budgets and it's easy to see who has the hardest job.
Electrical
I'm not bitter though... :D
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Ahe, all you guys do is draw a box with a spline arrow pointing in the direction you want the wire to go. Quit yer complaining ya baby!
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HA! :evil:
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Facilities management. Why? Cuz nothing EVER gets made as you guys draw it!
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Power Engineering/Drafting:
ComEd substation development
385,000,000 volts
150 separate substations including:
Mechanical
Structural
Architectural
Civil
and of course Electrical
So, for me and my experience, its gotta be Power Engineering/Drafting
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So, for me and my experience, its gotta be Power Engineering/Drafting
Been there, done that, stole the t-shirt.
Hated every minute of it.
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I'm not sure, did I get the amount of volts correct? My memory aint what it yousta be, but it seems like there was more... zzzzt! ow.
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Yes, and higher.
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Check out this video (http://theswamp.org/swamp.files/chuck/LugoSWR.mpg) for reference.
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... for me and my experience, its gotta be Power Engineering/Drafting
Nuke's the worst. Every single drawing modification is followed with 30 or 40 pages of discussion about the change and it's impact. The saying was, "When the weight of paper equals the weight of the unit you're half done."
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Try doing all of that rolled into one...
I worked for a comany once that I had to do...
structural (load carrying devices)
mechanical (hvac and utilities)
piping (hvac and plumbing)
electrical (low voltage and high voltage)
architectural (floor plans, elevations, cabinets, walls)
and...
civil (site plans and parking lots)
Try rolling that into a single set of plans done by one person and only having 24 working hours to do it. All the while the client wanting to make changes...
Never ... I repeat NEVER get into manufacturing...
The guy who makes part A decided that it didn't need to be the size on the plans so he changed it, therefore part B didn't fit so he blamed you, then part C didn't fit so he blamed you, and so on and so forth until all 100 or so parts were put together and everyone blamed you because they had to do it differently because the first guy did his like he wanted to.
I hate manufacturing drawings....
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Never ... I repeat NEVER get into manufacturing...
That counsel is too late .. about 35 years too late ..
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poor bastard
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Yeah, I had to do all that with a 50 lb block of ice on my back uphill both ways AAAND, using an abacus! :P
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Mine fits into the other catergy.I'd say mechanical and electrical drafting can be tricking,as the drawings are full of interlinking lines/structures that can be easily confused and displayed incorrectly.I'm in the building services field which is a mixture of mechanical/electrical drafting.It's hard to know for sure, as most of us just dont have experiences of all of the fields out there to really comment.Yeh Keb your right about the manufacturing indusrty that can be a right bummer,all you have to do is get one line slightly out of place and a whole production line of goods can go in the bin.Bloke at my friends work did that a few times and he's no longer there.
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nivuahc,
That video was truly awsome. Recently, I've been designing switch racks for electrical substations for our local utility. They've got these huge blade switches where the incoming conductors attach to the bus pipes. Is that what it looks like when they throws the switch? Man, I can hear the explosion.
Bob G.
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Check out this video (http://theswamp.org/swamp.files/chuck/LugoSWR.mpg) for reference.
Holy cow batman............
Are they turning on or off the power?
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I voted "other" because it's all relative.
you can have a very simple mechanical part or a very complex mechanical part, similarly, a very simple architectural part etc etc.
Also, someone very knowledgeable and skilled may find complex items pretty simple while you or me may find them brain twisting....
I'm in production/manufacturing and my first couple of jobs were quite taxing... if you had to see the kind of work I have produce now... you'd wet yourself :oops: , typically a dwg consists of 10 blocks (not including BoM) and takes me about 5 - 7 minutes.
I've just checked and in my three and a half years here I've done on average 1.136625514 drawings per day !!! jeez, no wonder I'm always knackered :P
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Check out this video (http://theswamp.org/swamp.files/chuck/LugoSWR.mpg) for reference.
Holy cow batman............
Are they turning on or off the power?
Off.
What you see there is a vertical break switch being opened to shut off the power to that small substation. The arc you see is very much like the arc you would see when you unplugged a toaster, provided you were in complete darkness.
Yeah, that's a switch. Just like a light switch in your home, only bigger.
So think about it this way:
If a civil drafter does his job poorly, a couple of guys with shovels have to put in a little overtime.
If a mechanical drafter does his job poorly, a couple of welders have to get out their cutting torches and put in a little overtime.
If an electrical drafter does his job poorly things catch on fire and people die.
DON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE KIND OF PRESSURE I AM UNDER?!?!?!?!? :shock:
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WOW that was amazing.
Where is the video from?.
How many volts is that?.
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>If a civil drafter does his job poorly
:the guy on the backhoe hits a 12" gas main that was marked 5' lower on the plans. deadly
:the realtor sues for the 0.25 acre error in acreage on 20 million dollar parcel thats only 50 acres! costly
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Who has the toughest drafting job? The people that work with ME !! (and i like it that way!!.....I WIN!!)
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>If a civil drafter does his job poorly
:the guy on the backhoe hits a 12" gas main that was marked 5' lower on the plans. deadly
:the realtor sues for the 0.25 acre error in acreage on 20 million dollar parcel thats only 50 acres! costly
Yes, yes, yes... I was only being slightly sarcastic. :P
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I keep looking at that mpeg and it just doenst look real!Have you got any more,they look cool but Im sure heavy voltage electricity doesnt arc like that. :)
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No, I don't have anymore and yes, electricity does indeed arc like that.
That's a 100% no-doubt-about-it real video.
I've seen similar things up close and personal when I did substation work.
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http://www.ketchum.org/bridgecollapse.html
http://www.iti.nwu.edu/links/bridges/disasters.html
http://www.kcstar.com/projects/hyatt/
oops
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This isn't exactly engineering/drafting-related, but CADaver's bridge links reminded me of it...HERE (http://www.netcopspsi.com/temp/towboat.htm)
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This isn't exactly engineering/drafting-related, but CADaver's bridge links reminded me of it...
The Capitan is either REAL good or REAL lucky...... :D
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Thanks for the video nivuahc, I work for a electrical engineering firm and they just loved it! It looks as if they planned for it to happen. I think it wouldnt do damage unless the others where turned on.
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He obviously was REAL good at holding his breath and his water!!
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Thanks for the video nivuahc, I work for a electrical engineering firm and they just loved it! It looks as if they planned for it to happen. I think it wouldnt do damage unless the others where turned on.
Did any of you happen to notice the guy behind the pickup truck?
Looks like he nearly soiled his pants! :D
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I saw that!!!!! LOL!
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Nah I believe you now :) .Just seen it it later on in win media player.Was tiny image in that sh*time player.Still worries me when Im in a switch room and you hear that low humming sond like in the link you sent,just reminds you how awsome a beast your dealing with.All you nee to do is be knocking off the power and some dam old switch gets stuck half way and I'm frizzle fried :shock: .
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And what's up with those exposed aluminum bus pipes, the ones carrying millions of volts in bare exposed pieces of aluminum pipe. The way we knocked out power in Bagdad was to drop carbon fibers from the air over the substations. The carbon fibers shorted out the buses and out went the power.
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Ain't that somethin'?
You know how substations in downtown New Orleans get knocked out on a regular basis?
Pigeons.
The even install 'Pigeon Barriers' specifically for that.
Kinda makes you wonder what, besides a bajillion volts of 'lectricity, is going through that pigeons mind when he lands on one of those switches.
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Kinda makes you wonder what, besides a bajillion volts of 'lectricity, is going through that pigeons mind when he lands on one of those switches.
More like what his mind is going through...
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Just got some info on that video and thought it might be of interest.
This is a real video taken at the SCE Lugo substation. It's 500,000 volts released when they had to disconnect under load to fix
something.
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That is indeed an awesome thing..
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So, for the Draftsman, I would have to say the one that has a real loser of a boss. One who doesn't know squat about drafting, one who doesn't care about drafting, let alone the draftsman. One who makes the draftsman hate to come to work in the morning but has to to make the bills. One who suppresses his employees just to try and make the world think he's great. One who makes the draftsman work on an ancient PC that crashes and causes major problems simply because of it's age ... and the boss yelling because the draftsman is incompetent.
A-bloody-men to that.
Such bosses are lower than a snakes belly, 5 steps below the lowest form of animate life (that is 1 step below an Accountant)
Being a structural guy, our problems come from all the other professions.
The Architect insists that 3 columns be omitted and the only thing that would stop the building collapsing is using Buddist Monks at one-metre spacings.
Then the Mechanical guy "needs" a 6-foot square hole through a 7-foot beam to allow a 4-inch pipe to pass through (Well we must have space to maintain the pipe - use a stonger concrete!)
The Electrical guy needs a similar size hole - maybe to wire up his mother-in-laws chair.
At the end of the day, every profession will say that they have the hardest job as the needs of the other professions generally have a negative impact on the job in hand. Our job is to overcome these problems (eventually) which puts us all in the same boat.
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you dont sound too happy czech ever think about changing jobs...just a thought
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You could always do contract work Czech over here in the Uk and then bring back a huge packet after the £ - CZK conversion.Not that I should encourage that type of thing as the money is lost from the UK :( .But if I was set up in Czech,was fed up with my work it would be something I'd really consider.
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Czech, as an Architectural Technologist I strongly resent the implication that we would want three columns removed and rely on Buddist Monks at one-metre spacings…….a wing a prayer maybe or sky hocks, but never Buddist Monks.
We without question have the hardest job. We provide the building so that:-
The Mechanical engineer can keep his plant dry,
The Electrical Engineer can provide lighting so that the mechanical engineer can see that his pipes are dry,
The Structural Engineer can support the roof so that the electrical engineer can provide the lights so that the mechanical engineer can keep his pipes dry.
The Quantity Surveyor can screw it all up by telling us that it is too expensive!
And the client can change her mind about the colour of the carpets (seriously) after they have been laid and blame everyone else.
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And the client can change her mind about the colour of the carpets (seriously) after they have been laid and blame everyone else.
So, you have that problem in the UK as well .. I thought us yanks were the only ones with that problem....
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architectural,
because you have start the project and its the first phase.
civil,
because there are just too many lines to see. to me its like an eye soar
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architectural
Archies??? Yeah, I'll agree witt that, they have to do all those drawings without the benefit of OSNAP, NORTH and COORDINATES. :moon: :yikes:
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I work in the architectural field. I have worked in residential, small commercial and large commercial for several years. I have also dabbed in civil for about 2 years. I would have to say that the architectural field is not really as hard as some make it out to be. I find it challanging, but then again, I am not a super-brain. If I had to pick one field that was the toughest, I would have to go with electromechanical. I got to meet an engineer from NASA one time. He was an older man, around 75 or so. He was the one that created the over/under washer dryer system that we put into many homes to this day. He showed me the original drawings for the machine. They were hand drawn, and let me tell you, it was a work of art. He has shown the orbit of washing machine, rotational displacements, all little parts and so on. All by hand. It was amazing. So, my hats off to those guys, impressive group.
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Ok, I'm gonna tell it like it is so you guys listen up. The client contacts the Architect to do the project. Then the Architect selects all the other engineers; therefore that means that The Architect HAs To DEal WIth EVERYONE ELSES CRAP AND CONTROL THE CLIENT. THAT IS WHY THE ARCHITECT HAS THE HARDEST JOB OUT THER. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH .
Sorry bout being on my soapbox just been dealing with too many fickle clients and non-listening engineers.
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Sorry bout being on my soapbox just been dealing with too many fickle clients and non-listening engineers.
ahem.... ummm...
Have any of you engineering types out there ever tried to explain to an Archie-type that his beatiful sweeping facade can not be structurally supported and stay in budget? Show of hands?
"Look Mr. Engineer, I want that 75 foot free floating cantilever so you're gonna give it to me, and you'll do it for the $87 remaining in the budget after we've bought the platinum toilet seats with the titanium hinges."
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Have any of you engineering types out there ever tried to explain to an Archie-type that his beatiful sweeping facade can not be structurally supported and stay in budget?
Of course it can .. pheww :roll:
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Ok...here is another reason why I think the achitectural types have the hardest job ...
Today, I received yet another change order from a client, not that I am not renumerated for making the changes, BUT....this set of changes was 15 pages long as typed in MS Office ... there have been at least 5 other change orders in the last 30 days that have been 9, 24, 21, 7, and 16 pages respectfully..... many of the changes are simply changes of the previous changes changing the changes of a previous change....it gets so damned confusing at times ...
"So which change did you want to eliminate"
"Item 17 on page 4, of the revisions dated 10/13/04"
"Sir that item modifies a change from a previous change from 9/29/04, what portion of the change do you want to remove?"
"Only the portion from 9/29/04 that was not changed on 10/13/04"
"So you want to completely change the change dated 9/29/04 to a compilation of the ones dated 10/13/04 and 10/23/04"
"No, I want to include these changes, but not change the changes of 10/13/04, ony the changes of 9/29/04"
"Ok, so if I understand you correctly then, the changes dated 9/29/04 are to be used as the base when determining how the changes of today (10/23/04) apply?"
"Yes, except don't change the changes dated 10/13/04"
"Sir, the changes dated 10/13/04, completely redesigns the second floor and portions of the basement, do you want the floor plan to be the same as the 10/13/04 revisions?"
"NO!!, I told you to use the revisions from 9/29/04, not 10/13/04... I DON"T WANT THOSE CHANGED!!!"
"But sir, these changes will change the plans as dated 10/13/04, because the changes of today (10/23/04) only apply to the floor plan as it was presented on 9/29/04"
"Just make it look like it did on 9/29/04"
"So you want to do away with the changes on 10/13/04 completely?"
"No, only the changes that affect the floorplan as dated 10/13/04"
"Sir, the whole floorplan changed"
"No, only the second floor and basement changed, we didn't change the first floor"
"Correct, but since we didn't change the first floor plan either time, then I presumed we were not talking about changing the first floor plan anyway?
"Oh, ok, but I have changes for the first floor plan that we'll need to look at, because when I make the changes to the first floor plan that I am thinking about, it will require that I rearrange the second floor and basement plans."
"Oh, I see, so you are really not settled on a second floor plan, except that it has to work with the first floor plan"
"Oh no, I have an idea how I want the second floor to look, sort of like the changes we talked about on 9/29/04, but you might have to change them later when I change the first floor"
ARGHHHHHHH and so the saga continues .....
Sometimes I hate dealing with people ....
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They are all easy, it's just which one you like doing!
Ive done them all and like them all in differnet ways, I hate doing RC though.
So maybe RC is the most difficult, there are so many lines and notes, it does my head in like!!
I am specialised in m&e, and prefer doing ductwork drawings, the finished product can look nice, and plant room drawings look complex when finished makes you feel liek you've achieved somthin!
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Kieth I totally understand, we then get the knock on from your client, to you then to the other services!!
nightmare!!!
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Have any of you engineering types out there ever tried to explain to an Archie-type that his beatiful sweeping facade can not be structurally supported and stay in budget?
Of course it can .. pheww :roll:
[jumping-up-n-down-shaking-pointer-finger]
SEE, SEE, SEE!!!!
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(had to be specific about which finger)
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This is so obvious that it hardly needs explaining. But, not having that ever stop me before, I'll explain:
Who gets the drawings/plans last everytime? Electrical
Who gets the drawings/plans changed after 95% of their work is complete everytime? Electrical
Who gets left with the tiniest bit of the budget because they got the project last and, when they charge half of the time needed to do the job, end up blowing the budget everytime then have to face the wratch of managers and the pointy-headed geeks in the accounting department because 'You guys are always blowin' the budget!' even though they have no control whatsoever over the rest of the budget which every other department/field of engineering has squandered away leaving them with peanuts and are still expected to come in under budget which is enough stress to cause them to start using run-on sentences all of the time? Electrical
Who has to face the constant 'joke' which not only happens to be so old that it has dinosaur poop on it but it also suffers from an immense lack of creativity and originality on the tellers part about how they 'don't draw to scale' even though much of what is drawn happens to be perfectly to scale when the rest is not, only because it's done schematically? Electrical
Drafting is easy. It doesn't matter if you're drawing projects the size of the world trade center or projects so small you almost feel ashamed to be wasting an entire sheet of 8-1/2 X 11 paper on it.
Dealing with the pointy-headed management types is another thing altogether. Add to that having to deal with the rest of your 'brethren' using you as a constant butt of their poor 'jokes' and the constant target of their finger pointing when it comes to budgets and it's easy to see who has the hardest job.
Electrical
I'm not bitter though... :D
Wow..your nuts...sorry...I use to work for an MEP firm as CAD Manager and let me tell you Electrical was the Easiest thing I have ever done in my life.
I would have to say Mechanical just becasue of, the complexity of their drawings all that ductwork.
OH ya Electrical is not the last to get the drawings....I work for a Audio Video Telecommunications design firm in Chicago...Ya we get the drawings after the Electrical engineer...
Ya Good Luck trying to make the same deadline as the Arch for a 95% CD set or any set for that matter...when you dont even have the 95% backgrounds and they expect you to be able to finish it the same day they post them....
Now, with that said we should probably change the Poll to Who is the worst Field to work with....my answer..
ARCHITECTS....by a LONG LONG LONG SHOT
I am bitter...very Bitter...damn Architects! :twisted:
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OK I was just reading through more of the posts....
ARCHITECTS DO NOT HAVE THE HARDEST JOB.....They make it hard because half the time they dont know what the hell they want, but they expect everyone else to know what they want!!
I need to go back to Electrical drafting!
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Ok, just so you lot know that in my field I do everyting ...
site plans
foundation plans
floor plans
electrical plans
hvac plans
dwv plans
water supply plans
framing plans
truss plans
fire suppression plans
I recently gave up cabinet design
If you think your job is the hardest try doing EVERY aspect of a million dollar residential project or a 98,000 SF low rise commercial retail center.
Walk in my shoes a few days, you will have sore feet and/or be bald
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Who gets the drawings/plans last everytime? Electrical
That's cuz they sit around waiting for the other disciplines to do all thier background work for them. Then they add a handful of bubbles and squares with numbers in 'em and wipe thier brow like they really did something.... sheesh, spark-chasers.
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As far as drafting I havent done them all.
But I got to say when all other fields are contracted
UNDER the Architectural office there's alot of stress
because ANY error falls on our heads, its our job to coordinate
the entire set, not to mention contruction admin. :cry:
If a site fence is to high call the architect,
if the pool pumps arnt working call the architect,
if the firelane access is to small call the architect,
if the freakin parking stripe is the wrong color call the architect,
if the site floods yep you guessed it call the architect.
geeez
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Ok I did not read all the pages, only 1 and 5. I will add to the choices of "Shop Drawings" Those who do shop drawings I feel have the hardest job. They always get the drawings late because all the other fields are running late with issues or bulletins. Then when they do get the drawings, they need to get them done yesterday. Steel detailers get good money but it is a very stressful job. Oh yeah, and when all they other disciplines change there mind or realize that something doesn't work, the shop drawing person gets to redo all there work.
Plus they get to decifer these crappy drawings that all the other disciplines put together. let alone different companies doing different work on one building. It can turn into a big mess of trying to understand what is going on.
Pieter
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How about the as-built drafter?? He's working with your pretty drawings, that some electrician or HVAC guy has taken a carpenters pencil and marked up in between bites of his Quizno's Black Angus steak sandwich (Ask me how I know that's what he was eating). Then after trying to redraw everything, he gets the idea of just turning the print over and drawing a crude schematic that looks like something you'd put on your fridge that your 3 year old drew in Pre-School. Then you find out the drawing he's been redlining, is actually version 6 of the drawings which were actually modified three times AFTER award of the contract and AFTER this set was printed...
I'm SOOO happy to be working in the telecom industry now..
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http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/#drawing
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/#drawing
I think that they still have some of the most complicated specifcations. -David
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As-Builts . . . maybe, there is one tough place for them around here. The as-built requirements for the Johnson County, Kansas Wastewater District are the most absurd I've found. All drawings must be cad generated with all of the original design screened. The locations of structures must be in a completely different format than they demand for the design documents. The real clinker is their theory that NOTHING can possibly be built exactly as designed so ALL locations, lengths and angles must be shown to be different from the original design, but also maintaing a final result that meets their design criteria. One often has to get creative and place false information on what is supposed to be the exact way it was built. It is also the only place I know of that routinely issues at least two rounds of comments before accepting the final as-builts.
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As builts can be difficult to read, with footprints, dirt, oil, tea etc etc.. stains all over the print!
but the CAD work is easy!
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whats the easiest job?
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Obviously i do. I am the only one in the office that does not have to put up with me. I win. Where's the donuts?
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According to previous posts I guess I have the hardest job of them all, electrical and mechanical for a manufacturing company. We manufacture machine for liquid solid separation (i.e. Wastewater Treatment Plants, Pigment Plants, Power Companies, etc) and we get our hand pretty much into everything from machine design to plant layouts to data acquisition systems to you name it.
Both mechanical and electrical can be tough but if you have the ability to “picture” the complete item in your head it’s not as hard as it seems.
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Donuts!!
WHERE! WHERE! WHERE..... :P