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CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: MSTG007 on March 11, 2016, 08:34:12 AM
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I am looking with our IT department about computer upgrade systems with Civil3D. I wanted to get your thoughts on these two systems and what you think would be better.
Thinkstation P310 Xeon E3-1240V5 3.5 GHZ
8 GB RAM
256 GB SSD
Quadro K620
or
Thinkstation P300 Xeon E3-1241V3 3.5 GHZ
16 GB RAM
1 TB Harddrive
Quadro K620
Thanks for any feedback!
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You will thank yourself by going with the SSD. Upgrading the RAM would be a consideration with that machine.
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I'm going with the Thinkstation P300. I would rather have more ram and a spinning disk.
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second hard drive....and dedicate your swap file there...make it HUGE!
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Speccing a Xeon is pretty much throwing money straight down the toilet for CAD, since there's very limited use of all the cores and features in that processor. Running a multi-user database a Xeon is excellent. For CAD/C3D? nope. And the ECC Ram Xeons require is more expensive, and not beneficial in CAD.
See the recent Ars Technica article on Intel processors for a good discussion on the modesl/features and identifiers.
And seriously -- look at Boxx and compare their offerings to Lenovo. At least the folk at Boxx and Xi know how to spell CAD
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Definitely make your primary drive an SSD.
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And seriously -- look at Boxx and compare their offerings to Lenovo. At least the folk at Boxx and Xi know how to spell CAD
Cool, never heard of them. They are not inexpensive machines though. You pay for that overclocked i-7. Wow!
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Is this really the price for the processor?
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@ newegg
Intel Xeon E5-2690 v2 Ivy Bridge-EP 3.0 GHz LGA 2011 130W BX80635E52690V2 Server Processor Intel Xeon E5-2690 v2 Ivy Bridge-EP 3.0 GHz 25MB L3 Cache LGA 2011 130W BX80635E52690V2 Server Processor
$2,064.99
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@ newegg
Intel Xeon E5-2690 v2 Ivy Bridge-EP 3.0 GHz LGA 2011 130W BX80635E52690V2 Server Processor Intel Xeon E5-2690 v2 Ivy Bridge-EP 3.0 GHz 25MB L3 Cache LGA 2011 130W BX80635E52690V2 Server Processor
$2,064.99
Dang ... my whole computer did not cost that much!
The I-7 seems like a no brainer (http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E3-1241-v3-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K).
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Wow... That's a lot.
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Wow... That's a lot.
It is also a LOT of waste until autodesk makes all their products capable of using multiple core processors, and or multiple processors.
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Here we go again...
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Here we go again...
really were you going?
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Here we go again...
statement of FACTS is a problem for you?
https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Support-for-multi-core-processors-with-AutoCAD.html (https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Support-for-multi-core-processors-with-AutoCAD.html)
Due to the lack of multi-threading, AutoCAD is not capable of using more than 50% of the CPU on a dual-core computer, so there is no significant performance gain over a single CPU computer except for the areas noted above.
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Hint:
It's not the message.
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So can you guys give some advice on SSDs with AutoCAD, is there anything special that needs to be setup or done?
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Not at all. Just enjoy a faster machine and forget about defragging.
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Hint:
It's not the message.
so you still think everything is personal, and you must attack me?
Really, please get a hobby....
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So can you guys give some advice on SSDs with AutoCAD, is there anything special that needs to be setup or done?
IF you get a second hard drive for swap file space you need to set some system parameters for that, as I have done on my machine with SSD primary, and a spinning drive for the secondary.
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Hint:
It's not the message.
so you still think everything is personal, and you must attack me?
Really, please get a hobby....
It's the constant unnecessary AutoDesk bashing that gets very annoying. BTW, don't put words into my mouth and don't tell me what to do. It makes you look even more foolish.
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So can you guys give some advice on SSDs with AutoCAD, is there anything special that needs to be setup or done?
IF you get a second hard drive for swap file space you need to set some system parameters for that, as I have done on my machine with SSD primary, and a spinning drive for the secondary.
What type of parameters are you referring to? Sorry for playing dumb on this one...
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The desktop processors are preferred for the given reasons, but context should be taken into account. If you have to source and maintain a hundred computers you are likely going with Dell or HP workstations (which only come with Xeons) with an enterprise discount and service agreement which makes them cost-competitive.
RAM depends on what type of Civil3D work you are doing. 8 GB may be fine for basic work, but it must be very well organized and optimized. Not to mention you'll probably be running other applications alongside.
SSD is good, although you need as large a drive as you can afford. Many will skimp on size only to find they don't have room for the next release alongside their current one, plus this new program, oh and that looks cool I should try it and... well, you get the picture. Plan for the future. If at all possible get a large SSD for the programs and a second fast TB-sized drive to store stuff on.
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If you can afford it, I'd skip the spinny drives altogether.
Question: For the secondary drive & civil 3d .. how much space is required?
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You are right about how much space would be required. Also, how strong of a video card would one need do you think?
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Hint:
It's not the message.
so you still think everything is personal, and you must attack me?
Really, please get a hobby....
It's the constant unnecessary AutoDesk bashing that gets very annoying. BTW, don't put words into my mouth and don't tell me what to do. It makes you look even more foolish.
A statement of fact is NOT Autodesk Bashing.
You see and or read whatever you want to into things.
Stop being a jerk, or is that your nature?
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The desktop processors are preferred for the given reasons, but context should be taken into account. If you have to source and maintain a hundred computers you are likely going with Dell or HP workstations (which only come with Xeons) with an enterprise discount and service agreement which makes them cost-competitive.
RAM depends on what type of Civil3D work you are doing. 8 GB may be fine for basic work, but it must be very well organized and optimized. Not to mention you'll probably be running other applications alongside.
SSD is good, although you need as large a drive as you can afford. Many will skimp on size only to find they don't have room for the next release alongside their current one, plus this new program, oh and that looks cool I should try it and... well, you get the picture. Plan for the future. If at all possible get a large SSD for the programs and a second fast TB-sized drive to store stuff on.
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Call it what you want. No need for name calling.
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Really guys?
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Really guys?
Guys?
No, just that guy that thinks it is his personal duty to ALWAYS be an ass towards me.
And it is NOT just a perception on my part.
I know that people have other things to do. However I think moderators need to put the brakes on his shit behavior.
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No, just that guy that thinks it is his personal duty to ALWAYS be an ass towards me.
And it is NOT just a perception on my part.
I know that people have other things to do. However I think moderators need to put the brakes on his shit behavior.
Did I hurt your feelings again? Just because I'm the only one that points out the constant AutoDesk bashing and negative comments doesn't mean that other people aren't also sick of it.
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My name is Michael and I'm an Autodesk basher ....
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Where is the Autodesk bashing in this thread?
The statement about AutoCAD not being able to use multi core? ...So what? I seriously doubt they can (besides the .Net stuff) the ACAD core is probably not.
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Really....
If it would do any good I would unleash a spew of profanity about 3 days long here.
When did a statement of FACTS become f'kn bashing?
No one ever hear "Don't kill the messenger?" FFS
There is and was no 'bashing', just a statement of fact.
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My name is Michael and I'm an Autodesk basher ....
Your name is MARK, and one would really expect better of you, than this.
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Wow... That's a lot.
It is also a LOT of waste until autodesk makes all their products capable of using multiple core processors, and or multiple processors.
Where is the Autodesk bashing in this thread?
The statement about AutoCAD not being able to use multi core? ...So what? I seriously doubt they can (besides the .Net stuff) the ACAD core is probably not.
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If it would do any good I would unleash a spew of profanity about 3 days long here.
Please don't. Its Friday and i'm in a good mood. :)
FWIW Michael, i was just poking fun at you.
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If it would do any good I would unleash a spew of profanity about 3 days long here.
Please don't. Its Friday and i'm in a good mood. :)
FWIW Michael, i was just poking fun at you.
I see that, however it seems to be setting a tone of approval for being an Ass Hat.
And it would be funny IF you had to BAN yourself for being a big freaking jerk butt
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Maybe, I overreacted by considering the source. (But it could have been stated differently by saying AutoCAD, for the most part isn't capable of utilizing multiple cores.) It was marginal not bashing at best but it was really close. For the overreacting alone, I was wrong and am sorry.
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At least, I don't attack you personally, like you do to me. I am attacking the message. If you take that personally, it's not my issue. I often do it in other forums to other people and they all react in the same immature way.
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Maybe, I overreacted by considering the source. (But it could have been stated differently by saying AutoCAD, for the most part isn't capable of utilizing multiple cores.) It was marginal not bashing at best but it was really close. For the overreacting alone, I was wrong and am sorry.
Completely NOT BASHING even marginally.
So your fake 'apology' is meaningless at best.
I didn't say anything, it was a direct quote from AUTODESK
Due to the lack of multi-threading, AutoCAD is not capable of using more than 50% of the CPU on a dual-core computer, so there is no significant performance gain over a single CPU computer except for the areas noted above.
So I guess then AUTODESK is bashing AUTODESK.
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At least, I don't attack you personally, like you do to me. I am attacking the message. If you take that personally, it's not my issue. I often do it in other forums to other people and they all react in the same immature way.
you DID by insinuating I was ashing anyone...AND you made sure it was personal by stating, "It isn't the massage" leaving only the messenger as the issue.
Not the facts as presented.
Or did you not type that?
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I really don't think that mj "bashed" Autodesk in this thread.
About that topic (mj always bashing Autodesk). I don't care if anyone bashes Autodesk; the only time I care is when the thread gets severely off track. If anyone wants to waste time complaining about Autodesk that's on them, not you.
My stance on the rest is: Don't take the bait (both sides!). If you think (s)he is picking on you, leave.
I am not going to even bother with "name calling". I don't care (grow up).
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Let me point you to YOUR original comment:
It is also a LOT of waste until autodesk makes all their products capable of using multiple core processors, and or multiple processors.
Bashing? Probably not, but when you consider how much of it you do, it's not a stretch to go there.
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Hummm...
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;D
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If using Civil3D to do normal design work (Not much in 3D Rendering). How strong of a graphics card would you need?
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If using Civil3D to do normal design work (Not much in 3D Rendering). How strong of a graphics card would you need?
as massive as possible...because it is heavily dependant on graphics.
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If using Civil3D to do normal design work (Not much in 3D Rendering). How strong of a graphics card would you need?
as massive as possible...because it is heavily dependant on graphics.
Would you say a graphics card is more important than RAM for C3D? We run a minimum of 16 gigs of RAM; newer computers are getting 32GB loaded.
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If using Civil3D to do normal design work (Not much in 3D Rendering). How strong of a graphics card would you need?
as massive as possible...because it is heavily dependant on graphics.
Would you say a graphics card is more important than RAM for C3D? We run a minimum of 16 gigs of RAM; newer computers are getting 32GB loaded.
NO
That is why I also have such a HUGE swap file.
This machine typically opens stuff that chokes any other computer in the building.
And then I audit/purge/or freeze Image Layers, or disconnect MAP data.
Then the other user can effectively open the drawing and selectively turn stuff back on.
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If using Civil3D to do normal design work (Not much in 3D Rendering). How strong of a graphics card would you need?
FYI, rendering with Civil3D doesn't involve the graphics card, that only applies to dedicated visualization software like Maya or Blender.
Nothing like the top-of-line $10k Quadros is needed, a decent high-end gaming card should suffice. If you are tied to a Quadro by your box vendor, a low- to mid-range like the 2000 or 4000 series will do. Dual cards (SLI, Crossfire, etc.) are not taken advantage of. Don't try using the various shaded visual styles in the program aside from static-display viewports on drawings; use Navisworks, either Simulate or the NWNavigator plug-in, for dynamically viewing your models.
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Interesting. I did not think about infraworks and other softwares like sketchup. But the secrete I am hearing is to get a secondary drive and place the biggest swap file on there as possible to gain a bunch or performance. I have heard back in the day, when we had large hard drives; we would partition it into two drives and then apply the swap on the second partition.
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Interesting. I did not think about infraworks and other softwares like sketchup. But the secrete I am hearing is to get a secondary drive and place the biggest swap file on there as possible to gain a bunch or performance. I have heard back in the day, when we had large hard drives; we would partition it into two drives and then apply the swap on the second partition.
putting the swap file on the SAME hard drive, different partition actually DECREASED performance.