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Title: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 25, 2014, 04:23:21 PM
How would you annotate that two ends of a bent plate are level to each other. For instance, the top of the letter V, the ends at the top are level to each other. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: mjfarrell on July 25, 2014, 05:46:10 PM
I would suggest a datum line - and the elevation noted

http://www.globalspec.com/reference/43797/203279/chapter-6-datum-symbols (http://www.globalspec.com/reference/43797/203279/chapter-6-datum-symbols)
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 28, 2014, 10:49:57 AM
Thank you! I have been meaning to study up on datums...guess now's the time.   :lol:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 28, 2014, 12:03:25 PM
I am thinking the symbol for straightness? I have a V shaped plate and the tops are level once it is placed.

(The things paying for my education would get me!!! :|)
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: mjfarrell on July 28, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
to be clear....
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 28, 2014, 03:40:03 PM
My V shaped plate looks like the "not this" one.  :lol: I am required to draw them as they are made and that is how it is made.  8-)
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: mjfarrell on July 28, 2014, 03:44:45 PM
then your 'straightness' symbol would be incorrect....a it would imply the 'this' condition.


Perhaps best to define the angle of that plate, and the angle at which it is mounted about it's center line
as well as the elevation of the bottom
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 28, 2014, 05:35:21 PM
The more you know, the easier it is to think outside the box.  :lmao: Excellent!! Thank you mj!
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Kerry on July 28, 2014, 07:03:43 PM
Bethrine,

You nominate a 'Bent plate'

How is it bent ?
I assume the vertex will NOT be sharp as you have depicted. It is physically impossible to 'bend' plate with a sharp vertex.
Plate is bent with an internal radius that translates to the outside. The minimum effective radius is determined by the thickness and material.

Regarding dimensioning ..
What is the critical criteria ?
.. the horizontal distance between inside corners ?
.. the enclosed angle ?
.. the overall height ?
.. the leg distance ?
.. the internal radius ?
.. the plate length prior to bending ?

that is what you want to dimension.

added:
Regarding annotation.
The object will be symmetrical about the vertical centerline ? yes ?
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bob Garner on July 28, 2014, 08:25:24 PM
Perhaps it is an extrusion and not bent?
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Kerry on July 28, 2014, 08:34:40 PM
Words have meaning Bob.
:-)
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bob Garner on July 29, 2014, 09:46:08 AM
Whoops    Sorry

Or you could describe it by the process: "Grind ends level to each other as shown".

Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 29, 2014, 10:13:13 AM
Bethrine,

You nominate a 'Bent plate'

How is it bent ?With a sheet bender
I assume the vertex will NOT be sharp as you have depicted.No. It is physically impossible to 'bend' plate with a sharp vertex.Agreed
Plate is bent with an internal radius that translates to the outside. Yes.The minimum effective radius is determined by the thickness and material.Yes

Regarding dimensioning ..
What is the critical criteria ?
.. the horizontal distance between inside corners ?
.. the enclosed angle ?
.. the overall height ?
.. the leg distance ?
.. the internal radius ?
see pic for the needed dimensions of the above
.. the plate length prior to bending ? I also have a flat pattern annotated with additional measurements not noted in the below piccy

that is what you want to dimension.  :-D

added:
Regarding annotation.
The object will be symmetrical about the vertical centerline ? yes ? yes

The second annotation object is for assembly and is where I would like help (although I am never against good advice). mj, did I do that right? I've been all over the net on datums and, well, yuck.
The arrow cut off to the left is a callout.
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: mjfarrell on July 29, 2014, 11:01:18 AM
looks good, only thing that could be added would be symbol for symmetry about CL
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Krushert on July 29, 2014, 11:26:06 AM
IN your second screen capture I would add a vertical dimension from your bent plat back to the other assembly/part; so that you can control height  after installation, especially if you are welding the parts
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 29, 2014, 07:11:28 PM
Thought you might like to see what got approval. Mostly due to the ability of the shop guys to interpret it.  :grazy:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Kerry on July 29, 2014, 07:20:49 PM
Bethrine,
You may want to use decimal degrees.

the 36 degree leg setout does not match the 109 enclosed angle ;-)


Quote
.... Mostly due to the ability of the shop guys to interpret it.
That's what counts, and is sometimes very easy to forget in the pursuit of technical excellence.
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Kerry on July 29, 2014, 07:27:01 PM
Bethrine,

What sort of beastie is this you're building ?

Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Krushert on July 30, 2014, 06:59:45 AM
Bethrine,

What sort of beastie is this you're building ?
Ohhh Ohhh I know what it is!   

It is a Rewinder!   







It is a Rewinder for a Duck's Butt!

Something has to wind that waddle.  And Bethrine has the designed the new and improved Duck's Butt Rewinder 4000
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Greg B on July 30, 2014, 09:01:05 AM
Bethrine,

What sort of beastie is this you're building ?
Ohhh Ohhh I know what it is!   

It is a Rewinder!   







It is a Rewinder for a Duck's Butt!

Something has to wind that waddle.  And Bethrine has the designed the new and improved Duck's Butt Rewinder 4000

 :-o

You only said that cause it mentioned mounting a bottom.  Or something like that...
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Krushert on July 30, 2014, 09:07:04 AM
:-o

You only said that cause it mentioned mounting a bottom.  Or something like that...
Nope.  Good effort but wrong!
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 10:08:57 AM
Exactly right, it's a rewinder mount.  :evil:

The guys on the floor fabricate stuff that "works" and I take it apart and draw it up so it can be sent out and made in quantity. Any more info than that and I'd have to kill you.  :pissed: We literally do backwards reverse engineering here.
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: tedg on July 30, 2014, 10:47:09 AM
  :ugly: We literally do backwards engineering here.

Love it! Instead of Design-Build, it's Build-Design!
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 10:49:15 AM
That's a mis-quote: This guy ->  :pissed: went with the "I'd have to kill you" part. I love my job!!!  :love:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Greg B on July 30, 2014, 10:55:02 AM
Wouldn't you mean reverse engineering as opposed to just doing things the wrong way (backwards)?
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 10:59:38 AM
Wouldn't you mean reverse engineering as opposed to just doing things the wrong way (backwards)?

 :whistle:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Greg B on July 30, 2014, 11:01:14 AM
:whistle:

OH oh....name that tune in 5 notes.
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: tedg on July 30, 2014, 11:45:39 AM
That's a mis-quote: This guy ->  :pissed: went with the "I'd have to kill you" part. I love my job!!!  :love:
Ok fixed it in my post.
I "appeared" to be with this sentance so I kept it  :whistle:
 
Your job sounds awesome! Hiring?
 
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 01:23:59 PM
You after my job?? Think 110 degrees most of the year.  :-P  :lol:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: tedg on July 30, 2014, 01:34:00 PM
You after my job?? Think 110 degrees most of the year.  :P :D
Ok you win!
I'll stay up here in Maine where we have 21 days of summer and 6 months of winter.
 :realmad:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 01:36:36 PM
Yech! My Mom's side of the family is in Minnesota. No thank you!  :ugly:

...did I just help hijack my own thread??
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: LE3 on July 30, 2014, 01:45:30 PM
> 110°F is nothing compared to Mexicali, where there can be 59°C/138°F -- brrrrrrrrrrrrrr   :ugly:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 01:49:24 PM
> 110°F is nothing compared to Mexicali, where there can be 59°C/138°F -- brrrrrrrrrrrrrr   :ugly:

True, I've been to Yuma.

Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Greg B on July 30, 2014, 02:00:44 PM
Yech! My Mom's side of the family is in Minnesota. No thank you!  :ugly:

...did I just help hijack my own thread??

Seriously you just dissed Minnesota?  Se7en!  Hey Se8en!  You hear what she said about Minnesota!

You want me to sick our ex governor on you?
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: tedg on July 30, 2014, 02:45:32 PM
Yech! My Mom's side of the family is in Minnesota. No thank you!  :ugly:

...did I just help hijack my own thread??

Seriously you just dissed Minnesota?  Se7en!  Hey Se8en!  You hear what she said about Minnesota!

You want me to sick our ex governor on you?

And sort of dissed Maine too (I think)..
Wait, ...what?
 
You can HAVE our Governor!! He's a tool
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 03:23:30 PM
They are both beautiful states and I have a lot of fun when I visit Minnesota. The cold, however, is not something I am accustomed to. I freeze at 73 degrees. Seriously, my teeth chatter.

-keep the governor...
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: tedg on July 30, 2014, 03:56:31 PM
They are both beautiful states and I have a lot of fun when I visit Minnesota. The cold, however, is not something I am accustomed to. I freeze at 73 degrees. Seriously, my teeth chatter.
[continue thread hijack]
LOL, I've been down to Disney World (Florida) in December with my family (quite a few years back)..
And all the "natives" working there where wearing jackets, gloves and hats,
..and we were wearing shorts, sandals and pullovers and they looked at us like we were aliens.
 
It was a bit cool, but a treat from what we left in Maine.
It was probably 60 degrees that day in Florida, but 15 degrees in Maine.
 
Last winter was brutal though.. wished I lived in Florida then.
[/thread hijack]
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 03:58:34 PM
You may want to use decimal degrees.

the 36 degree leg setout does not match the 109 enclosed angle ;-)

I used decimal degrees on the flat pattern and fractions for the rest. (Also approved for ease of use).

Sure doesn't, does it.  :doa:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 04:01:10 PM
They are both beautiful states and I have a lot of fun when I visit Minnesota. The cold, however, is not something I am accustomed to. I freeze at 73 degrees. Seriously, my teeth chatter.
[continue thread hijack]
LOL, I've been down to Disney World (Florida) in December with my family (quite a few years back)..
And all the "natives" working there where wearing jackets, gloves and hats,
..and we were wearing shorts, sandals and pullovers and they looked at us like we were aliens.
 
It was a bit cool, but a treat from what we left in Maine.
It was probably 60 degrees that day in Florida, but 15 degrees in Maine.
 
Last winter was brutal though.. wished I lived in Florida then.
[/thread hijack]

We call you people "Snowbirds".  :lmao:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Greg B on July 30, 2014, 04:19:38 PM
We call you people "Snowbirds".  :lmao:

...and when you warm weather people come up during the summer or fall (to see the colors), we call you a nuisance.
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 04:50:10 PM
We call you people "Snowbirds".  :lmao:

...and when you warm weather people come up during the summer or fall (to see the colors), we call you a nuisance.

touche'
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Krushert on July 30, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
We call you people "Snowbirds".  :lmao:

...and when you warm weather people come up during the summer or fall (to see the colors), we call you a nuisance.
Greg: You were very PC there!  Nicely Done.   :-P :-)
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 30, 2014, 06:34:05 PM
We call you people "Snowbirds".  :lmao:

Yeah, that was bad. I apologize.
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Krushert on July 30, 2014, 06:40:22 PM
We call you people "Snowbirds".  :lmao:

Yeah, that was bad. I apologize.
Don't apologize.  The snowbirds that I know, wear that term with great pride and chest thumping.  One Snowbird told me it was either be called a snowbird or be called a swinger.  :lol:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on July 31, 2014, 10:11:44 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Greg B on August 01, 2014, 09:00:18 AM
We call you people "Snowbirds".  :lmao:

...and when you warm weather people come up during the summer or fall (to see the colors), we call you a nuisance.
Greg: You were very PC there!  Nicely Done.   :-P :-)

There is a non-PC term?
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: cadtag on August 01, 2014, 09:22:05 AM
We call you people "Snowbirds".  :lmao:

Yeah, that was bad. I apologize.
Don't apologize.  The snowbirds that I know, wear that term with great pride and chest thumping.  One Snowbird told me it was either be called a snowbird or be called a swinger.  :lol:

Yeah, 'The Villages' retirement community in Central Florida supposedly have the high STD rate in the nation.  Not that i've checked it out personally mind you.... 
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Greg B on August 01, 2014, 09:36:46 AM
Yeah, 'The Villages' retirement community in Central Florida supposedly have the high STD rate in the nation.  Not that i've checked it out personally mind you....

My mom is down at The Villages for a couple months every winter.

Guess now I know the real reason.
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Mark on August 01, 2014, 09:42:41 AM
Yeah, 'The Villages' retirement community in Central Florida supposedly have the high STD rate in the nation.  Not that i've checked it out personally mind you....

My mom is down at The Villages for a couple months every winter.

Guess now I know the real reason.
LMAO ........
Title: Re: annotate "level"
Post by: Bethrine on August 01, 2014, 10:06:26 AM
Yeah, 'The Villages' retirement community in Central Florida supposedly have the high STD rate in the nation.  Not that i've checked it out personally mind you....

My mom is down at The Villages for a couple months every winter.

Guess now I know the real reason.