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CAD Forums => Vertically Challenged => Land Lubber / Geographically Positioned => Topic started by: BlackBox on April 28, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
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My new employer purchased a handful of Infrastructure Design Suite 2014 licenses (primarily for Civil 3D & Raster Design), and I just verified today that we are in fact on subscription, so I'm downloading 2015 now. :lol:
I know it's brand new, and that the first round of updates isn't out yet, but was curious to know if anyone was using Civil 3D 2015 for production yet? If so are you having any issues, or concerns? :?
TIA
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Most of the stuff that we actually wanted or needed them to fix, is still broken or missing.
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Most of the stuff that we actually wanted or needed them to fix, is still broken or missing.
Having participated in some of the 2015 beta testing, I suspected as much, but admittedly cut that time short as my new job opportunity cropped up.
Just thought I'd see what others may have encountered, especially given that so few tend to adopt so early in a release cycle.
Cheers
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Will be doing a roll out here this week, however not removing 2014 just yet.
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Will be doing a roll out here this week, however not removing 2014 just yet.
I don't blame you :lol:; I'm going to be doing the same on my own workstation.
The office still hasn't transitioned from 2005 yet (as mentioned in other threads), so I'm not in any rush to push 2015 just yet, but need to consider it as I go through setting up our CAD Standards, etc.
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So... I opted to download by browser, and only one part of the 10.0GB installer downloads. :|
I then attempt to download by download manager, and it's downloading all 34.4GB of the clearly extracted installer, WTF? :-o :realmad:
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and that installer will ONLY work on that single PC
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and that installer will ONLY work on that single PC
I see what happened now; Chrome blocked some of the downloads (each is opened in a different browser window), thus only one successfully downloaded. :-)
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same applies,
however past version one could download and redistribute
now one can't
nor will it download to a network location
if that is the intent. (distribution to other PCs)
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same applies,
however past version one could download and redistribute
now one can't
nor will it download to a network location
if that is the intent. (distribution to other PCs)
Well, that's not awesome; you'll have to forgive my being so blunt... Sorry to vent like that. :-D
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I just request a disc/USB drive and while says it'll take several weeks, I've always received my copy within a week.
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I just request a disc/USB drive and while says it'll take several weeks, I've always received my copy within a week.
What's that cost (sorry, no longer logged in; just curious)?
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I just request a disc/USB drive and while says it'll take several weeks, I've always received my copy within a week.
What's that cost (sorry, no longer logged in; just curious)?
free.
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I just request a disc/USB drive and while says it'll take several weeks, I've always received my copy within a week.
What's that cost (sorry, no longer logged in; just curious)?
free.
Good to know; never requested that option before. :-)
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yeah, and here is the crazy part of the media request
First one had to option end for digital only
THEN
They switched it to digital ONLY, unless you then went and requested media?
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yeah, and here is the crazy part of the media request
First one had to option end for digital only
THEN
They switched it to digital ONLY, unless you then went and requested media?
... And even then, it still lists CD/DVD as the media you're requesting (even if they ship USB).
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I then attempt to download by download manager, and it's downloading all 34.4GB of the clearly extracted installer, WTF? :-o :realmad:
The download manager downloads and extracts the compressed files. So it's showing you the overall size of the extracted files, not necessarily what it is downloading. This method is quicker than downloading the files and extracting them yourself.
same applies,
however past version one could download and redistribute
now one can't
Really? I downloaded and copied to a USB hard drive. I have not yet tried to install on another PC from it though, that was going to be a project for next weekend.
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The Infrasctructure Design Suite 2015 is not in my subscription download center yet.
But I have a trial Civil 3D 2015 running. There is a lot of rubbish added but one thing I really do like: that Profiles are now connected to the Alignments at the geometry points instead of only the start point. Saves a lot of trouble.
Oh well, a few other things are nice as well.
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I then attempt to download by download manager, and it's downloading all 34.4GB of the clearly extracted installer, WTF? :-o :realmad:
The download manager downloads and extracts the compressed files. So it's showing you the overall size of the extracted files, not necessarily what it is downloading. This method is quicker than downloading the files and extracting them yourself.
same applies,
however past version one could download and redistribute
now one can't
Really? I downloaded and copied to a USB hard drive. I have not yet tried to install on another PC from it though, that was going to be a project for next weekend.
let me know how that goes, I know one of the download methods (perhaps not through subscription center)
is set to deny install to anything other than the machine it was downloaded to (on)
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Just to vent they put The Infrasctructure Design Suite 2015 in our subscription center but we purchased Building Design and downloaded Infrasctructure Design suite to have to delete it and then download Building Design suite.
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I just request a disc/USB drive and while says it'll take several weeks, I've always received my copy within a week.
What's that cost (sorry, no longer logged in; just curious)?
free.
Good to know; never requested that option before. :-)
I always request one to have a hard copy on a shelf, and just to have something tangible representing the thousands of dollars I didn't spend.
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I just request a disc/USB drive and while says it'll take several weeks, I've always received my copy within a week.
What's that cost (sorry, no longer logged in; just curious)?
free.
Good to know; never requested that option before. :)
I always request one to have a hard copy on a shelf, and just to have something tangible representing the thousands of dollars I didn't spend.
X2 8)
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I then attempt to download by download manager, and it's downloading all 34.4GB of the clearly extracted installer, WTF? :-o :realmad:
The download manager downloads and extracts the compressed files. So it's showing you the overall size of the extracted files, not necessarily what it is downloading. This method is quicker than downloading the files and extracting them yourself.
Cheers, Jeff. :-)
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I always request one to have a hard copy on a shelf, and just to have something tangible representing the thousands of dollars I didn't spend.
Well, I haven't tried to install this download on multiple PC yet either... If it doesn't work as Michael warned earlier, that will become necessary... Otherwise, I usually just build a deployment, or copy the installer itself to the network, and install or extract from there as needed.
Cheers
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Did my install just moments ago.
The NEW default is the dark color scheme. Which to me is a total waste of energy considering that
ALL the other dialogues and interface within remain the Light color scheme.
To use a phrase "Lipstick on a Pig"
All the touted new features, all I can say is MEH!
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Really I am Highly Un Impressed to the point of ridiculous!
It wont even let me use Hardware Acceleration with the same card that 2014 will let me.
What a swine!
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Really I am Highly Un Impressed to the point of ridiculous!
It wont even let me use Hardware Acceleration with the same card that 2014 will let me.
What a swine!
Stupid Autodesk, just stupid.
of the TWO (2) video cards in the laptop, it chooses to associate itself with the LESSER powered one!
How idiotic, I mean really.
Turns out when I force it to use the BETTER video card it's happy to turn Hardware acceleration back on. :ugly:
And then there are issues....just crap-tastic
and then one can not do the same level of performance tuning or detuning as the case may be from the options dialogue! Perfect!
And still not impressed, I see exactly one (1) new sub assembly, the purpose of which one could easily live without.
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If you really wanted to make your self happy click on button on top right that and sign in.
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If you really wanted to make your self happy click on button on top right that and sign in.
Not taking the blue pill Morpheus.
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Out of curiosity, how many times did you get this dialog during your install yesterday?
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... Or were you blessed to see this one at all?
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I did ONLY C3D to assuage my curiosity. The install was problem free.
The fact that it hates my video card/driver will be a turn-off to many.
I think that if one had a graphics card more than 6 months old an upgrade to that part of your system will be required.
There are people blathering on about the "New Look and Feel", so I had to see
the Emperor's New Clothes.
As I suspected sycophants running amok.
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I did ONLY C3D to assuage my curiosity. The install was problem free.
No worries; Civil 3D was installed successfully here as well, but the supplementary material libraries, sub-assembly composer, etc. were the elements that produced the errors here... Which is ironic, since I used Download Manager to both download, and launch the installation.
The fact that it hates my video card/driver will be a turn-off to many.
You know, I didn't recognize it at first... Now that you mention it, the fact that Civil 3D 2015 hates your video card/driver IS a major turn-off, actually.
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I installed C3D2015 and all of it's accessories without error. It recognized my 3+ year old nVidia card and set H.A. on. Other than the C3D dialogs not having the Dark theme yet (nor does Sincpac, yet, it is a LOT of work to go back and setup all of the dialogs to work with the themes), I LIKE it and am considering finally moving off of C3D2012.
On my other laptop, I installed IDSU, again without error. It is only a year old, and it's nVidia card was also recognized straight away.
I have seen another user on the Adesk forums saying they've had numerous crashes using C3D2015. I have not tested for the Figures crash he reported, but I have had ZERO crashes in the 2+ weeks I've had 2015 installed. Maybe this will change when I start to use it more, but thus far, for me, this has been the best initial release I've seen.
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and this is either stupid or just annoying...the start up screen says I can adjust video settings
yet it doesn't actually allow one to turn the HA on.
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OK, nearly had to bludgeon the thing
it continued to reset to using the LAME Intel graphics card, NOT the GOOD Nvidia card.
But it is using H.A now.
Still dislike the lack of being able to adjust adaptive degradation in same way as 2014 and previous.
It would seem Autodesk doesn't think we should be allowed to adjust our settings any longer.
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Still dislike the lack of being able to adjust adaptive degradation in same way as 2014 and previous.
It would seem Autodesk doesn't think we should be allowed to adjust our settings any longer.
From 2015's help file:
Some advanced graphic performance settings are only accessible if you enter -GRAPHICSCONFIG on the command line.
At the command line there are a number of thins available, including adaptive degradation.
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thanks for that...but the real question WHY remove them from where they have been for probably 10 years?
REALLY!
Plus it takes it from an easy to use dialogue box into the land of the obscure key-in.
Backwards development
Considering the Graphics Config button is now on the same level as OSNAP settings?
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[Scientific Wild Ass Guess] There were too many users that had no clue what they were doing with the 3dconfig. Those users ended up as support calls that were 'fixed' by merely resetting the settings to OOTB. So they made it a little more difficult for the casual user, but still gave us power users access. [/s.w.a.g.]
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that guess doesn't explain why the graphics properties settings is now exposed
OUTSIDE of going into options to set or reset it.
I would imagine this will cause more support calls than having it only available through options.
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To answer original question does not look like anyone is actually "using it" and if by using you mean anything productive.
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To answer original question does not look like anyone is actually "using it" and if by using you mean anything productive.
Actually I used it often.
However it isn't a 'production' enhancement. It is more or less a system performance tuning option.
And it was probably more work to remove the original dialogue box and make it a command line only, and
replace it with anther dialogue box with fewer options.
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[Scientific Wild Ass Guess] There were too many users that had no clue what they were doing with the 3dconfig. Those users ended up as support calls that were 'fixed' by merely resetting the settings to OOTB. So they made it a little more difficult for the casual user, but still gave us power users access. [/s.w.a.g.]
I like that guess. :)
That brings up another question though. Just how many support calls does Autodesk get in a given period of time?
Personally, I have never called them.
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That should have said "support requests", not necessarily "support calls". I've never called for support, but I have logged lots of official support requests through Subscription Center, as well as many others posted to the Adesk foums that were picked up by Autodesk employees. When one gets assigned "SR # 13856422", that tells me there have been a few logged into the system. Granted, these are all lumped together (I think) for all of Autodesk's products, but still, their support department is not small.
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Jeff, they just make those numbers up. :evil:
Anyway I guess there is some good news about this abysmal 'new' version.
There is so very little that is new or different, the only learning will be around the stuff that doesn't work as it did in previous versions.
And a few new autocad geegaws.
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That brings up another question though. Just how many support calls does Autodesk get in a given period of time?
Personally, I have never called them.
What is phone number I would to make a call.
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That brings up another question though. Just how many support calls does Autodesk get in a given period of time?
Personally, I have never called them.
What is phone number I would to make a call.
Me too.
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That brings up another question though. Just how many support calls does Autodesk get in a given period of time?
Personally, I have never called them.
What is phone number I would to make a call.
Me too.
DITTO
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A few observations after installing IDSP 2015 this morning....
Initial launch yielded the 'your graphics card does not meet the the recommended criteria' error message, despite hardware acceleration being enabled. That seems odd to me, as my new workstation's video card is a 3GB NVIDIA Quadro K4000, which Autodesk's website clearly shows as being both recommended, and certified... Exactly what criteria is my beast of a video card not meeting again?
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Next fail, is Autodesk's negative opt in for Desktop Analytics... It clearly states that you can disable it through the help menu, but there were no search results for "desktop analytics." For now, simply use the DESKTOPANALYTICS Command, and disable the checkbox... Not sure where this is stored in the registry yet, but when I do, I'm posting a routine to disabled it.
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Aesthetically, I like the dark theme option; I wish it were complete of course, but I prefer a dark UI in any event.
Thankfully, all of my app icons use a transparent background, so there's no issue there; I just need to recompile my .NET assemblies for 2015, and publish updates to Autodesk Exchange.
I'm sure there will be more as I start using for production; especially interested to test drawing compatibility with 2014. :evil:
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A few observations after installing IDSP 2015 this morning....
Initial launch yielded the 'your graphics card does not meet the the recommended criteria' error message, despite hardware acceleration being enabled. That seems odd to me, as my new workstation's video card is a 3GB NVIDIA Quadro K4000, which Autodesk's website clearly shows as being both recommended, and certified... Exactly what criteria is my beast of a video card not meeting again?
Yes but you notice they FAILED to update hardware list for 2015?
It is probably a drivers issue, I had to update mine TWICE! Now using a BETA
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Aesthetically, I like the dark theme option; I wish it were complete of course, but I prefer a dark UI in any event.
Thankfully, all of my app icons use a transparent background, so there's no issue there; I just need to recompile my .NET assemblies for 2015, and publish updates to Autodesk Exchange.
I'm sure there will be more as I start using for production; especially interested to test drawing compatibility with 2014. :evil:
The real test would be back and forth between 2015 >>>2013>>2014 and around
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Aesthetically, I like the dark theme option; I wish it were complete of course, but I prefer a dark UI in any event.
Thankfully, all of my app icons use a transparent background, so there's no issue there; I just need to recompile my .NET assemblies for 2015, and publish updates to Autodesk Exchange.
I'm sure there will be more as I start using for production; especially interested to test drawing compatibility with 2014. :evil:
The real test would be back and forth between 2015 >>>2013>>2014 and around
Yeah, I don't care that much... We have IDSP 2014 installed on all of our CAD workstations now, and I've installed IDSP 2015 on my own, so just curious to know if my working in 2015 (using the basic C3D components, probably not even pressure pipes) would cause an issue for daily production. :-D
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At first I was undecided, now I am sure.
I truly dislike the 'fuzzy' graphics display of objects in 2015.
It's as if the quality of the graphics has been taken for a ride all the way back to 1989.
I could understand poor graphics then (not really), but for the graphics to have this 'fuzz' effect to them
it's pointless. Unless somehow they are trying to leverage some speed out of displaying stuff on the screen so poorly.
Even then it's pointless, why demand a quality graphics card in order to display poor graphics with it?
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... why demand a quality graphics card in order to display poor graphics with it?
According to this (http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad-civil-3d/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/System-requirements-for-AutoCAD-Civil-3D-2015.html), Autodesk only 'demands' a 128 MB, and recommends up to a 512 MB video card.
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... why demand a quality graphics card in order to display poor graphics with it?
According to this (http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad-civil-3d/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/System-requirements-for-AutoCAD-Civil-3D-2015.html), Autodesk only 'demands' a 128 MB, and recommends up to a 512 MB video card.
Yeah, maybe to display the startup splashscreen.
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... why demand a quality graphics card in order to display poor graphics with it?
According to this (http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad-civil-3d/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/System-requirements-for-AutoCAD-Civil-3D-2015.html), Autodesk only 'demands' a 128 MB, and recommends up to a 512 MB video card.
Yeah, maybe to display the startup splashscreen.
They have gotten pretty schnazzy since 2012.
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... why demand a quality graphics card in order to display poor graphics with it?
According to this (http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad-civil-3d/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/System-requirements-for-AutoCAD-Civil-3D-2015.html), Autodesk only 'demands' a 128 MB, and recommends up to a 512 MB video card.
yes; however we all know from real world experience
that minimum specifications, are woefully inadequate
much like Trumps comb-over
or a fat chick with a sweater tied around her hips
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I truly dislike the 'fuzzy' graphics display of objects in 2015.
Maybe my old eyes are no longer able to see clearly. But the graphics like pretty much the same in these 2 drawings. One is from C3D2012, the other C3D2015. Other than the difference in how selected objects are highlighted, I sure don't see any difference.
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identify
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The first one, is definitely 'a'.
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What is the SmoothDisplay (SmoothLineDisplay) setting for both versions? For me, 2012 is OFF by default, 2015 is ON. Using a drawing with contour lines I do see a small difference, much like your images. But setting the smoothlinedisplay to OFF in 2015 then makes it look identical to 2012. Conversely, setting this to ON in 2012 then makes that dwg appear 'fuzzy'. These settings are in 3dconfig(2012) & Graphicsconfig(2015).
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was running the same tests
I'm reminded of a time long ago, with a cad station far far away
I was given a super high powered Video card to 'test'
By the time we dumbed it down enough for it to stop crashing, it wasn't worth having
This is starting to feel like a case of retrograde 'development'; seriously NOT impressed at all.
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I just request a disc/USB drive and while says it'll take several weeks, I've always received my copy within a week.
What's that cost (sorry, no longer logged in; just curious)?
free.
Good to know; never requested that option before. :-)
I always request one to have a hard copy on a shelf, and just to have something tangible representing the thousands of dollars I didn't spend.
Just received the +/- 30GB USB drive for IDSP 2015; it arrived much faster than I expected, comes in a fully branded metal casing, and is pretty schnazzy. :-)
Cheers
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I truly dislike the 'fuzzy' graphics display of objects in 2015.
Maybe my old eyes are no longer able to see clearly. But the graphics like pretty much the same in these 2 drawings. One is from C3D2012, the other C3D2015. Other than the difference in how selected objects are highlighted, I sure don't see any difference.
Regarding how selected items highlight, "selectioneffect" set to 0 will change the highlight to the typical dashed line vs the blue highlight.
What's driving some of my users crazy is the change made with the paperspace tabs...the scroll arrows disappeared. Not liking the new scrolling features of the tabs.
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From my observations; this is NOT a must have upgrade by a long shot.
Are there a few 'nice' to have things, sure. Is it a watershed release? NO!
As an aside, how are things in South Dakota?
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From my observations; this is NOT a must have upgrade by a long shot.
Are there a few 'nice' to have things, sure.
1+... The ability to retain C3D corridor targets for swapped corridor assemblies.
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From my observations; this is NOT a must have upgrade by a long shot.
Are there a few 'nice' to have things, sure.
1+... The ability to retain C3D corridor targets for swapped corridor assemblies.
I would have put ALL the stuff that is FUBAR with Pipe networks WAY ahead of that as a thing to 'FIX' or 'ADD' to the software.
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From my observations; this is NOT a must have upgrade by a long shot.
Are there a few 'nice' to have things, sure. Is it a watershed release? NO!
As an aside, how are things in South Dakota?
Cold. 23 O F this morning. New record low for mid-may. Speaking of FUBAR'd pipe networks, yeah. Don't mind sanitary but I absolutely abhor attempting water pipe networks, and I'm not even going to mention pressure networks.
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From my observations; this is NOT a must have upgrade by a long shot.
Are there a few 'nice' to have things, sure. Is it a watershed release? NO!
As an aside, how are things in South Dakota?
Cold. 23 O F this morning. New record low for mid-may.
Brrr... I miss Global Warming; I'd rather die from sunburn, bikinis & drinks with little umbrellas, than from freezing temperatures. :-D
#DontJudgeMe #GuyCode
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Cold. 23 O F this morning. New record low for mid-may.
And that's why I left 30 years ago, right after the infamous Winter of Red Snow
but at least that 23 is _above_ 0
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Will be doing a roll out here this week, however not removing 2014 just yet.
Curious, what version of Civil 3D is the most productive and stable? We are looking at upgrading to 2014. Your
eval. would be very helpful.
MJP
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They are all productive and stable
Given:
Proper Hardware
Proper Training
Proper Workflows (see training above)
However given the lack of significant added functionality I'm taking a very negative approach to switching to 2015.
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There are also several serious bugs in Civil 3D 2015 so I would not recommend using 2015 yet.
To name a few:
- It is not possible to change layers in the Surface style for Elevations, but in 2014 you can.
- The new mechanism to lock Profile geometry points to the Alignment geometry points works really well, but the behavior in 2014 (lock at Alignment start) is not working anymore.
- It is not possible to add a WMS connection (you could run the Map 3D Service Pack to fix this...)
- etc.
If these are not big issues, Civil 3D 2015 is working, but I would wait for the first Service Pack.
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you also forgot that any Assemblies made with Sub Assembly composer are NOT usable in 2014
and if I recall, also the survey database will no loger open in 2014 once opened with 2015
so much for compatibility
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Although not specific to 2015, I didn't see this one mentioned (http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/AutoCAD-Civil-3D-General/Strange-SITE-name/td-p/4916230). It started for us in 2013 and has carried over to 2015.
2014 SP2 claims to fix it, but I think there is some disagreement as to what "fix" means. Sorry, I have not installed 2014 SP2 to test it myself.
Eagerly awaiting 2015 SP1.....
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so much for compatibility
There are some documented incompatibilities here:
http://help.autodesk.com/view/CIV3D/2015/ENU/?guid=GUID-589C3DC0-EC98-40BC-B8CD-4623AA79D763 (http://help.autodesk.com/view/CIV3D/2015/ENU/?guid=GUID-589C3DC0-EC98-40BC-B8CD-4623AA79D763)