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Title: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: RBAtterton on August 14, 2013, 10:39:57 AM
The reason I ask is 35,000KB too big of a file because I work in Autocad 2013 3D and alot of the drawings I have are around 35,000KB and when its around there my computer goes into a slow mode example to save that drawing could take up to 30 minutes and sometimes it crashes. The system I am using is Windows 7 pro with a processor AMD phenom II x 4 965 processor 3.40 GHz, RAM 6.00 GB on a 64 bit operating system. Maybe the system is too slow any ideas?

Thanks,
Brent
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: ronjonp on August 14, 2013, 11:52:12 AM
What location are you saving this file to? If it's a network location, try copying the file over locally and see if you still have the save issues.


Welcome to The Swamp  :)
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: RBAtterton on August 14, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
Originally the file was on the our network and that's when it crashed. So I now work on my local hard drive and it is better. I just not sure if that size is a normal size hence the question?
Thanks
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: NOT SURE on August 14, 2013, 12:08:14 PM
Purge?

Layer Filters?

Xdata?

These are the usual suspects, but if you're dealing with a lot of complex geometry then that could be where the bloat lies. Without more info, it's almost impossible to pinpoint.

Welcome to the Swamp, btw.
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: Rob... on August 14, 2013, 12:09:06 PM
It does sound big but I have no idea what is in it to give you a definitive answer. Try purging and auditing to see if it gets any smaller.
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: JNieman on August 14, 2013, 12:11:34 PM
Reducing file size is always better when it is a practical option.

35mb is on the limit of what I like to do, but I've not had too much problems with it.  I try to separate the model out in multiple xrefs when it starts getting that big.  Nowadays are SOP for model organization, by nature, keeps file sizes down a bit.  This project I'm on now has a lot of xrefs around 5mb each and that's about it.  Lot of xrefs though.
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: ronjonp on August 14, 2013, 12:19:10 PM
My biggest problem with files and bloat is registered applications. I have this in my startup to clean files as they come in the door :)

(command "._-purge" "_regapps" "*" "_n")




Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: JNieman on August 14, 2013, 12:23:24 PM
My biggest problem with files and bloat is registered applications. I have this in my startup to clean files as they come in the door :)

(command "._-purge" "_regapps" "*" "_n")

Code: [Select]
691 registered applications deleted.
lolol me too, now!

(Plant3d)
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: ronjonp on August 14, 2013, 12:44:56 PM
My biggest problem with files and bloat is registered applications. I have this in my startup to clean files as they come in the door :)

(command "._-purge" "_regapps" "*" "_n")


Code: [Select]
691 registered applications deleted.
lolol me too, now!

(Plant3d)


Check out this number from one of my projects ...  >:D
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: Krushert on August 14, 2013, 12:58:35 PM
I have had up to 5 digits before but never 8.  You da mizan!

My biggest problem with files and bloat is registered applications. I have this in my startup to clean files as they come in the door :)

(command "._-purge" "_regapps" "*" "_n")

Yes I have added this to my startup too.
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: ronjonp on August 14, 2013, 01:13:37 PM
I have had up to 5 digits before but never 7.  You da mizan!

My biggest problem with files and bloat is registered applications. I have this in my startup to clean files as they come in the door :)

(command "._-purge" "_regapps" "*" "_n")


Yes I have added this to my startup too.

 :)

This is what I use to clean many files at once: http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=21482832&linkID=9240698 (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=21482832&linkID=9240698)
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: MexicanCustard on August 14, 2013, 02:35:43 PM
We used to do a lot of 3D solids in AutoCAD and 35MB is very large.  Now we're using MEP and 35MB is the norm.  Have you tried WBLOCKing the drawing.  That will help alot with vanilla AutoCAD objects.
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: RBAtterton on August 14, 2013, 03:29:18 PM
Thank ya'll for the replies.

Brent  :-)
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: dgorsman on August 14, 2013, 06:01:12 PM
REGAPPs don't occupy much space.  Purging them just removes a string (the name) from a list.

Along with the XREFs, keep in mind a few other points:

Level of detail:  If you are using objects to generate drawings then keep in mind how big they will be at the desired drawing scale.  A bolt head on a 1:100 drawing will be a very small blob, which is a waste of effort and file size.

Block inserts: the more inserts you use, the more efficient they are.  The first block will cost you file size, but subsequent inserts will be far less.  Find features that you can duplicate and create blocks for them.  For example, a crane boom is literally built by bolting together repeated 6-meter lengths.  Instead of individually modeling each segment, create one as a block and insert as many segments as needed.

Curves: Curves are expensive.  Never use a double curved survace (sphere or torus) when a single curved surface (cylinder or curved rectangular section) will do.  Never use a single curved surface when a flat section will do.  Implement with both level of detail and block inserts notes above.

Freeze layers: layers that are turned off regenerate.  Layers that are frozen do not.
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: ronjonp on August 15, 2013, 09:54:25 AM
REGAPPs don't occupy much space.  Purging them just removes a string (the name) from a list.
....


I'd have to disagree. This depends on how many there are. I've seen upwards of 100,000 in a drawing that bloat the file size tremendously.





Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: dgorsman on August 15, 2013, 10:05:02 AM
100 000?  If the base file is a couple hundred KB then it looks like a lot; for someting a few dozen MB in size its not a significant gain.  But in most cases the REGAPP count is limited to a few thousand.
Title: Re: Is 35,000KB too big
Post by: ronjonp on August 15, 2013, 10:15:42 AM
Yup 100,000 :|  ... and the really bad thing is it's like a virus. Xref that bloated file into a "clean" file and the bloat is transferred to that drawing. Multiply that by thousands of files on the server and there is a lot of wasted space.