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Title: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Bob Wahr on April 27, 2011, 02:07:52 PM
Something with 2012 that you like a lot, or dislike a lot, post it here.

I'll start with a gripe.  hatch selection is/can be ridiculously slow.  If I select a hatch with ar-sand as the pattern, and no command active, I get a 3-15 second delay in the selection, presumably while it analyzes each dot.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Nibster on April 27, 2011, 02:47:40 PM
I don't know when I'll (ever) install it.  I hear they didn't "address" (fix?) the issue with the drivers for 3Dconnexion mice that they messed up in 2011. 

Must have been that they decided that 3Dconnexion was making Autocad too enjoyable to use so they made the decision to make that capability "native".   :realmad:
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Crank on April 27, 2011, 03:14:20 PM
If you look at the supported software list (http://www.3dconnexion.com/supported-software/software0.html?SoftwareLocal=Autodesk), you'll notice that 2011 isn't, but 2012 is supported again.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Nibster on April 27, 2011, 03:17:53 PM
If you look at the supported software list (http://www.3dconnexion.com/supported-software/software0.html?SoftwareLocal=Autodesk), you'll notice that 2011 isn't, but 2012 is supported again.
i never thought of looking there.  if it works well for me i'll send you a completely grateful, yet absolutely platonic, e-smooch.

 ^-^
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on April 27, 2011, 03:23:03 PM
I like that in WIN 7 the application icons actually show the drawings that are open.  Avoids using Autocad P.O.C. version of it.

I like selection preview dialog.  Much more user intiutive.  

I have yet to run it thru it paces to really find what I do or don't like.

Edit:  BTW I am thinking I am really not going to like the new help.  Not that I like it that much before.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: StykFacE on April 27, 2011, 05:34:48 PM
Avoids using Autocad P.O.C. version of it.
:lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Jeff H on April 27, 2011, 05:38:44 PM
Screwed up 2011 license.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: ronjonp on April 27, 2011, 07:17:01 PM
Screwed up 2011 license.

I had this same issue with 2010 (you on subscription?) Apparently when you activate a newer group code, the old one becomes invalid. I had to send an email to get a new license for my OLD software  :-D.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on April 27, 2011, 07:21:49 PM
Screwed up 2011 license.

I had this same issue with 2010 (you on subscription?) Apparently when you activate a newer group code, the old one becomes invalid. I had to send an email to get a new license for my OLD software  :-D.
Ditto.

You can do that via subscription if you are set up as a "Contract Manager" on the account.  It requires that the Owner, or whatever the top level is, grants you that access level when you are signed up on the contract as a user.  Then you can request all the serial #s and look up product codes and older-version supported serials and etc etc without dealing with tech support.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Jeff H on April 27, 2011, 09:33:48 PM
Screwed up 2011 license.

I had this same issue with 2010 (you on subscription?) Apparently when you activate a newer group code, the old one becomes invalid. I had to send an email to get a new license for my OLD software  :-D.
Ditto.

You can do that via subscription if you are set up as a "Contract Manager" on the account.  It requires that the Owner, or whatever the top level is, grants you that access level when you are signed up on the contract as a user.  Then you can request all the serial #s and look up product codes and older-version supported serials and etc etc without dealing with tech support.
Because of the one sign-up thing, I have not felt like going through the

logout and have password I can't remember sent to e-mail,
sign -in get serial number,
then sign-out,
and sign back in with user that is setup at different sites. 
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Bob Wahr on April 27, 2011, 11:51:13 PM
Screwed up 2011 license.

I had this same issue with 2010 (you on subscription?) Apparently when you activate a newer group code, the old one becomes invalid. I had to send an email to get a new license for my OLD software  :-D.
Ditto.
hmmm. I have 2010 and 2012 loaded and running fine.
I like that in WIN 7 the application icons actually show the drawings that are open.  Avoids using Autocad P.O.C. version of it.
Haven't decided how I feel about it.  I'll probably get used to it and like it swell.  Was pretty jazzed about it in win 7, just used to the tabs in acad.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on April 28, 2011, 09:17:55 AM
I actually find the Win7 thing annoying.  It makes it such that alt+tab has to cycle through each DRAWING and no longer just the acad.exe process.  I still use Shaan Hurley's "mditabs" for my drawing selection within autocad and like it.  I get complaints from other users if I forgot to add it to their Startup Suite so I know it's a hit with them too.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Chris on April 28, 2011, 03:28:04 PM
I like that you can extend mleader lines to the text, to avoid gaps when you have lines in your text that are longer than the first line.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on May 02, 2011, 04:20:55 PM
AUTOSTACK

We have autostack on, set to delete the leading blank such that 3 1/2 becomes 3½ as soon as you hit the 'space' after 1/2

However, it seems like independently, we've all assumed the same behavior when entering text in a table or when the fraction is the last character in a string.  We type "3<space>1/2<space><backspace>"  To get the 3½.

When you hit the <backspace> to delete the space after ½, it -un-stacks the fraction.

So far, we've all just changed our muscle memory to hit the space bar TWICE after the fraction string, and backspace TWICE to account for it.  One user was just cussin' up a storm because he's entering numbers into a BOM he has to fill out manually for some reason, this time.

Has anyone else came across this?
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on May 02, 2011, 04:44:08 PM
AUTOSTACK

We have autostack on, set to delete the leading blank such that 3 1/2 becomes 3½ as soon as you hit the 'space' after 1/2

However, it seems like independently, we've all assumed the same behavior when entering text in a table or when the fraction is the last character in a string.  We type "3<space>1/2<space><backspace>"  To get the 3½.

When you hit the <backspace> to delete the space after ½, it -un-stacks the fraction.

So far, we've all just changed our muscle memory to hit the space bar TWICE after the fraction string, and backspace TWICE to account for it.  One user was just cussin' up a storm because he's entering numbers into a BOM he has to fill out manually for some reason, this time.

Has anyone else came across this?
Has anyone ever found the on/off variable for this?  I would love to set and ensure the settings for this via the start-up code.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Hangman on May 03, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
AUTOSTACK

We have autostack on, set to delete the leading blank such that 3 1/2 becomes 3½ as soon as you hit the 'space' after 1/2

However, it seems like independently, we've all assumed the same behavior when entering text in a table or when the fraction is the last character in a string.  We type "3<space>1/2<space><backspace>"  To get the 3½.

When you hit the <backspace> to delete the space after ½, it -un-stacks the fraction.

So far, we've all just changed our muscle memory to hit the space bar TWICE after the fraction string, and backspace TWICE to account for it.  One user was just cussin' up a storm because he's entering numbers into a BOM he has to fill out manually for some reason, this time.

Has anyone else came across this?

Have you tried just putting the quote mark after the fraction?  I'm still running 2011, but when I type in the fraction, I put the quote right after the fraction and it creates the stack and removes the space in between the whole number and the fraction.  No need to backspace.

Quote from: Krushert
Has anyone ever found the on/off variable for this?  I would love to set and ensure the settings for this via the start-up code.
I agree, I hate having to manually adjust this every time I enter a drawing.
On a side note, I know you can, after putting in the fraction, highlight JUST the fraction, then right-click.  In the menu close to the bottom, there is an entry; Stack Properties.  But I have not yet searched out the entry to see where it is pointing.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on May 03, 2011, 01:09:37 PM
The problem is I don't want the " in that situation.  I put the string in quotations, I see how that is misleading.  But I just want;

3 1/2

to result in



With no character at all after the fraction.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Jeff H on May 08, 2011, 02:17:59 PM
Screwed up 2011 license.

I had this same issue with 2010 (you on subscription?) Apparently when you activate a newer group code, the old one becomes invalid. I had to send an email to get a new license for my OLD software  :-D.
Ditto.

You can do that via subscription if you are set up as a "Contract Manager" on the account.  It requires that the Owner, or whatever the top level is, grants you that access level when you are signed up on the contract as a user.  Then you can request all the serial #s and look up product codes and older-version supported serials and etc etc without dealing with tech support.

I waited to long and 2011 got locked-out

I could not find that in subscription center and 2012 and 2011 serial number would not work, but
This Worked
the serial number in file located on my computer
 
C:\ProgramData\Autodesk\Adlm\ACD2012en_USRegEmail.xml
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on May 09, 2011, 08:02:23 AM
That damn NAV CUBE won't go away on two users' computers.

I turn it off and it comes back as soon as another drawing is opened.  I don't get it.  The setting stuck on my computer and others.  It won't 'stick' on two computers.  I save their workspace settings after turning off the NAVVCUBE even, though that wasn't required for me.

Buh.  Annoying. 
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: justnobody on May 11, 2011, 04:18:20 PM
Array option inside of the copy command when specifying 2nd point.  Love It! :-)
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on May 16, 2011, 03:34:19 PM
I actually find the Win7 thing annoying.  It makes it such that alt+tab has to cycle through each DRAWING and no longer just the acad.exe process.  I still use Shaan Hurley's "mditabs" for my drawing selection within autocad and like it.  I get complaints from other users if I forgot to add it to their Startup Suite so I know it's a hit with them too.

Does anyone know if this is something I can change?

I typically have 3+ drawings open and it makes alt+tabbing between applications VERY annoying.  As it is now, when I hold ALT+TAB, I see a separate window for each DRAWING I have open, rather than the old way, where I saw only one window for AUTOCAD entirely.  CTRL+TAB did, and still does, allow me to cycle through drawings, as well as having Shaan Hurley's mdiTabs.arx display a tab for each drawing at the top.

ETA:

OH GEEZ.  Apparently it's an age-old sysvar I forgot about.  It's simply TASKBAR=1 by default, whereas apparently, before, it was always defaulted to 0.  That's all it is/was.  Man.  Some of these ancient dusty sysvars I have never touched... make me feel silly.  I thought it was some new fangled Windows 7 version of Autocad 'feature'
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Bryco on May 18, 2011, 12:17:43 PM
Quote
That damn NAV CUBE won't go away on two users' computers.
Does it help if you turn it off in the template dwg, like turning off that annoying grid
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on May 18, 2011, 12:20:22 PM
Quote
That damn NAV CUBE won't go away on two users' computers.
Does it help if you turn it off in the template dwg, like turning off that annoying grid
I'll check and see, but it happens if they open a drawing, turn it off, close that drawing, and then reopen the same drawing.

I'll check our template .dwg and see, though.

ETA:  I just opened the .dwt and the navvcube did not come up for me.  /shrug

Worst case scenario, I add something to their acaddoc.lsp or whichever file is appropriate (need to google that) but I would rather find the real issue rather than simply band-aiding it.

ETA2:  Well shoot, i googled for the online help file, and this CADTutor thread showed up: http://www.cadtutor.net/forum/showthread.php?48974-Turning-the-Navv-Cube-off-permanently with a solution.  I don't know why I couldn't/didn't find that last time I was googling.  Oh well!

I guess I just kept overlooking it in the options.  After testing, the user in question confirmed it has kept the wheel from popping up on -any- drawing, so it works.  I have no idea what it changes that the sysvar wouldn't.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on May 23, 2011, 09:45:02 PM
Anyone found a productive use for the new nudge command?
That is besides playing a wanna be PacMan game or to drive a object around your file while making motor sounds.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on May 23, 2011, 10:20:11 PM
Anyone found a productive use for the new nudge command?
Yea, I started using for this one thing where I ..
That is besides playing a wanna be PacMan game or to drive a object around your file while making motor sounds.

uh.

nevermind. :(
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: KewlToyZ on May 24, 2011, 11:15:33 AM
That damn NAV CUBE won't go away on two users' computers.

I turn it off and it comes back as soon as another drawing is opened.  I don't get it.  The setting stuck on my computer and others.  It won't 'stick' on two computers.  I save their workspace settings after turning off the NAVVCUBE even, though that wasn't required for me.

Buh.  Annoying. 

Have you tried loading it in the acad2012doc.lsp?
Code: [Select]
;NAVVCUBE
;Enter an option [ON/OFF/Settings] <ON>: OFF
(command "NAVVCUBE" "OFF")
(prompt "\n   NAVVCUBE Turned OFF ... <Type NAVVCUBE at command prompt to turn on again> !!\n")
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: KewlToyZ on May 24, 2011, 11:22:05 AM
I have an issue and I am not sure if it is the new version or a setting....
When I imported TIFF images in the past I would get a useful negative image of it for tracing scanned files.
Now I get plain color images. No option to change the display of it i can see. Hard to trace or use.

While posting this I thought it may be because it is a color TIFF instead of monochrome, going to try that too.
I'll post back with the results, but let me know if you have other settings.

PDF works in color and appears as a negative image, but,..... I get FATAL EXCEPTION crashes when Autosave or QSAVE runs.
I even tried optimizing the PDF's, didnt fix the crashes. So I am looking at other options.
I tried changing vid drivers but no success.
The NVIDIA AutoCAD Performance drivers still after 6 years, refuse to recognize any of the AutoCAD verticals and won't install.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on May 24, 2011, 11:24:10 AM
That damn NAV CUBE won't go away on two users' computers.

I turn it off and it comes back as soon as another drawing is opened.  I don't get it.  The setting stuck on my computer and others.  It won't 'stick' on two computers.  I save their workspace settings after turning off the NAVVCUBE even, though that wasn't required for me.

Buh.  Annoying. 

Have you tried loading it in the acad2012doc.lsp?
Code: [Select]
;NAVVCUBE
;Enter an option [ON/OFF/Settings] <ON>: OFF
(command "NAVVCUBE" "OFF")
(prompt "\n   NAVVCUBE Turned OFF ... <Type NAVVCUBE at command prompt to turn on again> !!\n")

That was going to be my last resort, but I wanted to avoid it as it's a less-elegant solution and really just masks the problem instead of solving it. I did solve it, though, as I updated in a more recent post.  It seems that the OPTIONS dialog changes something differently than the system variable does.

I was under the impression that the OPTIONS dialog is just a GUI to change the SYSVARs as relevant to the issue you're toggling.  It appears, however, that the NAVVCUBE sysvar is drawing specific, whereas the OPTIONS dialog (3D Modeling  tab, Display Tools in Viewports section, Display the viewcube - check boxes) seems to change something differently than the SYSVARs can do, because the settings in the OPTIONS dialog are persistent across the application.  Users report never seeing the NAVVCUBE again after I changed their OPTIONS settings.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: sinc on May 24, 2011, 11:24:28 AM

Have you tried loading it in the acad2012doc.lsp?


As a general rule, you shouldn't edit the acadXXXX.lsp or acadXXXdoc.lsp files.  Those generally get clobbered when you install service pack updates or reinstall your software, so you can lose edits you place in those files.

Instead, you should create an acad.lsp and/or acaddoc.lsp file, and put your stuff in those.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: KewlToyZ on May 24, 2011, 11:44:59 AM
Thanks gents !!!
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: KewlToyZ on May 24, 2011, 12:04:08 PM
OK, I use the acad2012doc.lsp in a custom Support folder because it seems to work better than the acad.lsp or acaddoc.lsp.
It avoids being altered by Service Packs that way. In the last 4 builds it also seems to have a higher rate of success in function.
While it may not be right, it works and lets me centralize some other requirements for the sake of control simplicity.

I also use a custom profile because quite simply, it is the best means for controlling palettes.
Design center just hasn't worked successfully for me in deploying across multiple machines quickly and easily.

I find it very irritating the Developers can't seem to agree on a simple naming convention.
Is it the NAV Cube or is it the View cube? The options and sysvars seem to be bugged due to that fact.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: sinc on May 24, 2011, 12:18:32 PM
OK, I use the acad2012doc.lsp in a custom Support folder because it seems to work better than the acad.lsp or acaddoc.lsp.

????

Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: KewlToyZ on May 24, 2011, 12:25:33 PM
OK, I use the acad2012doc.lsp in a custom Support folder because it seems to work better than the acad.lsp or acaddoc.lsp.

????

Yeah me too, I kept scratching my head back with 2010 why it was happening. Finally just gave up and went with it.
Mainly using a reactor for the cannoscale system controlling line type scaling and other variables.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: KewlToyZ on May 24, 2011, 02:55:52 PM
OK, I use the acad2012doc.lsp in a custom Support folder because it seems to work better than the acad.lsp or acaddoc.lsp.

????

Yeah me too, I kept scratching my head back with 2010 why it was happening. Finally just gave up and went with it.
Mainly using a reactor for the cannoscale system controlling line type scaling and other variables.
Perhaps I should specify a bit more about the custom Support folder.
I created a single folder with child sub folders on the root of everyones C:\ drive.
Mainly to hold the Autosave's, temp files, plot logs, etc..., it makes support and help desk a lot easier to navigate.
It also holds the Support folder for all custom routines.
I use a bat file for the entire domain to update the files upon restart of the work stations when I need updates to be pushed.
It helps with maintenance and alleviates a lot of manual labor on my part as we changed versions with every upgrade.
Also it let me manage things easier with work flow changing in the organization as well as the format of client standards always evolving.
Centralizing most of the routines on the local machine and only keeping the profile and blocks on the network also let me minimize overhead on the network for the interface.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: MelissaDaisy99 on June 10, 2011, 10:16:19 PM
I have yet to run it thru it paces to really find what I do or don't like.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on June 11, 2011, 09:46:28 PM
I have yet to run it thru it paces to really find what I do or don't like.
Well when you do, let us know and welcome to TheSwamp. 
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on June 11, 2011, 09:54:08 PM
I have yet to run it thru it paces to really find what I do or don't like.
Well when you do, let us know and welcome to TheSwamp. 
First time I saw the post, it has spam in the sig.  I'm pretty sure it's a spam bot, but we'll see. :)
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Dinosaur on June 11, 2011, 10:39:46 PM
I have yet to run it thru it paces to really find what I do or don't like.
Well when you do, let us know and welcome to TheSwamp. 
First time I saw the post, it has spam in the sig.  I'm pretty sure it's a spam bot, but we'll see. :)
I saw your report James and thought it was a bit suspicious also ... I just couldn't see enough on the face of it to nuke the post, esp. since it was apparently her first one.  As you stated, we'll see.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: JCTER on June 12, 2011, 12:00:28 AM
I have yet to run it thru it paces to really find what I do or don't like.
Well when you do, let us know and welcome to TheSwamp. 
First time I saw the post, it has spam in the sig.  I'm pretty sure it's a spam bot, but we'll see. :)
I saw your report James and thought it was a bit suspicious also ... I just couldn't see enough on the face of it to nuke the post, esp. since it was apparently her first one.  As you stated, we'll see.
Yea, I figured that's why it was still as it was.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: M-dub on August 31, 2011, 10:51:08 AM
When I turn SNAP on, it only snaps to the points when a command is active.  Is there a way to have it always active as long as snap is turned on?
It's just always been a quick way to visually check to see if objects were on snap or not.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Jeff H on August 31, 2011, 11:28:32 AM
I do not think I understand but I sometimes use shift + right-click and the letter of snap I want
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: mjfarrell on August 31, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
I really HATE how 2012 Civil 3D appears to have broken the Grid View for alignment editing.
It seems to create every entity as constrained and thus no edits are possible within the grid view.

Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: mjfarrell on August 31, 2011, 11:34:05 AM
I do not think I understand but I sometimes use shift + right-click and the letter of snap I want
He is talking about Grid Snap, not Object Snap (OSNAP) modes.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Jeff H on August 31, 2011, 11:41:42 AM
Soory, 
My cross hairs turn yellow when I move over grid crossing
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: BlackBox on August 31, 2011, 12:01:54 PM
Soory, 
My cross hairs turn yellow when I move over grid crossing

Let's leave your yellow 'hairs out of this, shall we?  :-P
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: M-dub on August 31, 2011, 12:17:39 PM
I do not think I understand but I sometimes use shift + right-click and the letter of snap I want
He is talking about Grid Snap, not Object Snap (OSNAP) modes.

That is correct.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on August 31, 2011, 01:23:08 PM
I remember reading that that there is a variable setting for this.  But I will be damm if I can find it.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: BlackBox on August 31, 2011, 01:44:06 PM
It's not looking good:

Quote from: Heidi Hewett, AutoCAD Insider, June 08, 2011

Subtle Snap Enhancement in AutoCAD 2012

If you’re like me, SNAPMODE is one of those tools that you love to hate. Most times I don’t need it because I use Osnaps and direct distance entry to draw accurately. But sometimes being constrained to grid increments can come in handy. A subtle change to Snap behavior in AutoCAD 2012 lets you work more easily with Snaps turned on. Now, it only snaps to grid points when prompting to specify a point. So, for example, when you’re moving the cursor around the drawing area trying to select an object before a command is launched, grid snaps are ignored (no more having the cursor tease you as it jumps back and forth over the object)! But when you’re in a command that requires you to specify a point, such as drawing a line, grid snaps are honored.


(http://cs.aidabg.net/forum/style_emoticons/default/link.gif) (http://heidihewett.blogs.com/my_weblog/2011/06/subtle-snap-enhancement-in-autocad-2012.html)
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: dgorsman on August 31, 2011, 02:16:16 PM
I remember reading that that there is a variable setting for this.  But I will be damm if I can find it.

Might have been mentioned in the BETA forum as something for the first SP.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on August 31, 2011, 02:31:55 PM
I remember reading that that there is a variable setting for this.  But I will be damm if I can find it.

Might have been mentioned in the BETA forum as something for the first SP.
No I read the same article that RenderMan posted.  I confused the article with coming from Kate Morrical's blog.  I forgot it was Hedi Hewett's blog
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: BlackBox on September 07, 2011, 02:55:54 PM
Service Pack 1 corrected the *snap* issue:

Bunches of bug fixes, 2 new Sysvars that some will really appreciate:

ARRAYCLASSIC - Creates copies of objects in a classic array.
SNAPGRIDLEGACY -  0 - Always snap the cursor to grid. 1 - Only snap cursor to grid when AutoCAD prompts to specify a point
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: M-dub on September 08, 2011, 11:13:14 AM
Yay!

( Why does the service pack always come out right after I install the product?! )
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: BlackBox on September 08, 2011, 11:20:52 AM
Yay!

( Why does the service pack always come out right after I install the product?! )

LoL
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: mjfarrell on September 08, 2011, 01:07:01 PM
Yay!

( Why does the service pack always come out right after I install the product?! )
You suffer from Premature Installation
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: M-dub on September 08, 2011, 01:08:04 PM
Yay!

( Why does the service pack always come out right after I install the product?! )
You suffer from Premature Installation

That, I have never been accused of!  :-D
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: BlackBox on September 08, 2011, 01:59:04 PM
Yay!

( Why does the service pack always come out right after I install the product?! )
You suffer from Premature Installation

:lmao:



Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on September 08, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
I love this command line autocomplete feature in 2012.

There is a command called "ETBUG"  and it does phone home.  :-D
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: BlackBox on September 08, 2011, 04:09:32 PM
I love this command line autocomplete feature in 2012.

1+

I used up my 30 day trial already, but am anxiously awaiting my new work laptop  (http://www.dell.com/us/enterprise/p/precision-m6600/pd)(being setup by IT now), which is coming with Civil 3D 2012.  :lol:
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on September 12, 2011, 11:19:05 AM
From Elise Moss's CADzette - Volume VIII Issue 30 News Letter
elise_moss >at< mossdesigns DOT com

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Plus Commands in AutoCAD2012

Autodesk has expanded the way commands work by having users type a + in front of the command.  For example, if you type +OPTIONS, you enter an integer.  +SaveAs allows you to save to different file formats in addition to a new file name.
 
To get the list of all the new + commands, simply type + in the display window and the new Autofill will display all the commands.
 
As to how useful this is, well, it isn't a minus.

Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: BlackBox on September 12, 2011, 11:37:49 AM
Ehhhehehehe... ^^ Punny!
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Daniel J. Ellis on September 13, 2011, 02:31:08 AM
I love this command line autocomplete feature in 2012.

There is a command called "ETBUG"  and it does phone home.  :-D

Me, too.  Especially that it also works on LISP routines :D

I'm gonna have to try ETBUG when I get home tonight!!

dJE
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Crank on September 17, 2011, 03:22:44 AM
I love this command line autocomplete feature in 2012.

There is a command called "ETBUG"  and it does phone home.  :-D

Me, too.  Especially that it also works on LISP routines :D

I'm gonna have to try ETBUG when I get home tonight!!

dJE
Did your phone ring?  :-D
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Daniel J. Ellis on September 17, 2011, 04:04:42 AM
Got a ringtone, but didn't actually have a problem to report, but hung up before anyone answered!

dJE
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Mark on September 20, 2011, 11:18:47 AM
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The legacy menu bar contains only AutoCAD Civil 3D 2009 commands and has not been updated with new AutoCAD Civil 3D 2012 commands and features. Therefore, if you display the menu bar, it is important to understand that it does not provide access to all AutoCAD Civil 3D 2012 features.
great ....
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: M-dub on September 20, 2011, 11:25:32 AM
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The legacy menu bar contains only AutoCAD Civil 3D 2009 commands and has not been updated with new AutoCAD Civil 3D 2012 commands and features. Therefore, if you display the menu bar, it is important to understand that it does not provide access to all AutoCAD Civil 3D 2012 features.
great ....

Yeah, nice way of them forcing everyone to adapt to the new systems...

If it helps, you can "minimize" the ribbons so they take up about as much room as the menu bar.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: mjfarrell on September 20, 2011, 12:06:56 PM
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The legacy menu bar contains only AutoCAD Civil 3D 2009 commands and has not been updated with new AutoCAD Civil 3D 2012 commands and features. Therefore, if you display the menu bar, it is important to understand that it does not provide access to all AutoCAD Civil 3D 2012 features.
great ....
that's really NOT a problem as there are no new commands that you need there any way.
There are how ever OLD commands that DO NOT appear anywhere on the ribbon that you do need.  :-o

The new stuff is all available through the Select Object>>Rt-Click Context menus.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Mark on September 20, 2011, 01:12:04 PM
The new stuff is all available through the Select Object>>Rt-Click Context menus.
Then that's what I'll use! Thanks Michael.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: mjfarrell on September 20, 2011, 01:21:45 PM
The new stuff is all available through the Select Object>>Rt-Click Context menus.
Then that's what I'll use! Thanks Michael.

No Problema


That little tid-bit is one of the earliest concepts I attempt to convey to my C3D students.

Look not for Commands
Select an object, any object
And the rt-Click menu will present
ALL things you can do to that object, along with a few you shouldn't (like SCALE or ERASE!)

You will also notice there are some crazy powerful command lurking there for corridor modeling as well.
They may or may not be intuitive, however they yield some crazy good productivity methods one can employ.
(those methods will cost you)
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Mark on September 20, 2011, 02:12:13 PM
< horse race announcer >and they're off ...< /horse race announcer >
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Thank you for sending your error report to Autodesk.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: mjfarrell on September 20, 2011, 02:13:25 PM
< horse race announcer >and they're off ...< /horse race announcer >
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Thank you for sending your error report to Autodesk.
waddya want fer that...some balloon animals?    :evil:      :lmao:
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Mark on September 20, 2011, 03:09:37 PM
OK, I give up, where did they hide the plotter files?
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Mark on September 20, 2011, 03:20:02 PM
OK, I give up, where did they hide the plotter files?
Never mind I found them, in the normal location.
C:\Documents and Settings\<USER>\Application Data\Autodesk\C3D 2012\enu\Plotters
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on September 20, 2011, 04:14:12 PM
OK, I give up, where did they hide the plotter files?
Never mind I found them, in the normal location.
C:\Documents and Settings\<USER>\Application Data\Autodesk\C3D 2012\enu\Plotters
It really bugged me that they keep moving them around.  But they must of listen to somebody because now you can path to two locations so you can have your office plotter configs located on the server.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Matt__W on September 20, 2011, 04:23:50 PM
It really bugged me that they keep moving them around.  But they must of listen to somebody because now you can path to two locations so you can have your office plotter configs located on the server.
I've always had our company standard CTB/PC3 files located in a read-only network folder and pathed in AutoCAD.  And in that network folder was a shortcut to another folder (read/write access) that had client CTB/STB files.  So whenever we got a drawing from an outside source and they included their CTB/STB file for plotting, the CTB/STB file was placed in the read/write folder and also showed up in the printer dialog box dropdown with the company standard CTB files.  Every 6 months I would ZIP up the files in the read/write folder because the dropdown list would get too long.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: KewlToyZ on October 30, 2011, 07:46:50 PM
It really bugged me that they keep moving them around.  But they must of listen to somebody because now you can path to two locations so you can have your office plotter configs located on the server.
I've always had our company standard CTB/PC3 files located in a read-only network folder and pathed in AutoCAD.  And in that network folder was a shortcut to another folder (read/write access) that had client CTB/STB files.  So whenever we got a drawing from an outside source and they included their CTB/STB file for plotting, the CTB/STB file was placed in the read/write folder and also showed up in the printer dialog box dropdown with the company standard CTB files.  Every 6 months I would ZIP up the files in the read/write folder because the dropdown list would get too long.
I always did that and networked all of the page setups to import for the publish dialog so it minimized plotting issues.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: 42 on October 31, 2011, 09:56:44 AM
Why is tha array command now a command line function....what the $*&£ is that all about. Or have  I missed something?
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: dgorsman on October 31, 2011, 10:59:37 AM
They rebuilt the array command and relegated the "old" array to the command line.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: 42 on October 31, 2011, 11:41:14 AM
Ok.............so when I click on the new array command (from memory as not in front of it) on the drop down menu, which gives (3 choices) why does that go to the command line?
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Jeff H on October 31, 2011, 12:25:41 PM
Here (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=39396.msg446574#msg446574) JeffM mentions ARRAYCLASSIC added for SP1 which is the same as 2011.
 
I guess when they added associative arrays they decided not update the dialog box.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: mjfarrell on October 31, 2011, 01:58:52 PM
Ok.............so when I click on the new array command (from memory as not in front of it) on the drop down menu, which gives (3 choices) why does that go to the command line?
what is your setting for CMDDIA?
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: M-dub on November 07, 2011, 09:35:20 AM
I would really like the new array functionality if there were a way to enter the distance BEFORE you enter the number of objects.
May you can... I just don't know how yet.  I'd like to spend a few minutes to see if I can figure it out before I give up and revert back to the old way.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: M-dub on November 07, 2011, 09:39:34 AM
So much for those few minutes...

ARRAYCLASSIC

Done.
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: M-dub on November 07, 2011, 10:00:09 AM
Lee's Dynamic Incremental Array (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=39015.msg441808#msg441808) is much better!  :)
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Lee Mac on November 08, 2011, 01:59:10 PM
Lee's Dynamic Incremental Array (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=39015.msg441808#msg441808) is much better!  :)

Thanks Mike, much appreciated!  :-)
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: KewlToyZ on November 08, 2011, 04:00:49 PM
I heard Autodesk was considering a special version release for people tired of all of the changes and upgrades.
They called it AutoCAD Luddite.
I guess it came in a box with a protractor, french curve, pencil, hammer, chisel, rock, and a 5lbs magnet to place on the hard drive...
 :ugly:
Title: Re: AutoCAD 2012, gripes and hypes
Post by: Krushert on November 08, 2011, 04:47:15 PM
^^  :-D :-D
And my Luddite user just left so I will have to tell him tomorrow the good news.  :-D