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CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: craigr on April 07, 2010, 08:32:19 AM
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Waaay back when, if I remember right, wasn't there a software add-on out there to allow the use of LISPs in LT?
craigr
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I think you were right... but I also seem to remember a thread stating that this avenue had now been closed.
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There were and probasbly still are, but none thus far to be deemed legal by Autodesk and various courts in legal challenges.
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yeah....and a furious discussion about whether said application is/was a violation of the EULA, etc, etc....will surely follow
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yeah....and a furious discussion about whether said application is/was a violation of the EULA, etc, etc....will surely follow
A good discussion too! LOL
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Now that you mention it, I seem to remember a discussion on here about the legality & morality of using such a program. Which is the reason I didn't go for it.
Oh well,
craigr
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http://www.lt-extender.com/LT-Extender/englisch/default.htm
http://www.cad.com.au/drcauto/
those should help answer any questions.
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So, with the FULL version of CAD, being able to use LISPs, -
With a dwg named '3201 P005 AHU-1 Controls - Rev 1.0.3.dwg' could one write a LISP to pull the 'P005' out of the file name and put the page number '5' in a certain location within a dwg? I am not sure just how much a LISP can do.
Right now, the way I do it is to open every dwg, one at a time, and change the page #'s. Of course this can take a large amount of time with a set of dwgs numbering up to and beyond 100.
craigr
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lisp...or Sheet Set Manager.... ;-)
with full version
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AutoCAD Full Version $4000 !!!! - from CDW.com
OMGoodness!
I guess I don't need LISPs THAT bad!
Really, the LISPs capability is the only reason this company would need the full version. Our dwgs are just too simple to justify that kind of money.
Granted, I like to use software to it's fullest capacity. I am always trying to think of new ways of doing something quicker / more effeciantly, but I could never justify that kind of money for how simple our 2d dwgs are.
craigr
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I'm almost afraid to attempt to get into this one with the short amount of time I've got lately, but is the page number going in the same place in every drawing?
I'm thinking that this could be done with a script.
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Exact same place every time.
I have tried the script thing, but the part that hangs is pulling the page #'s from each dwg.
craigr
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Really, the LISPs capability is the only reason this company would need the full version. Our dwgs are just too simple to justify that kind of money.
FYI
http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/acad10_acadlt10_compmatrix.pdf
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Exact same place every time.
I have tried the script thing, but the part that hangs is pulling the page #'s from each dwg.
craigr
Are they in model space or paper space?
Here's what I would do.
Get a directory listing of the drawings.
Open it in Excel to create my script.
Assuming that the page number is also in the file name...
- open file, edit text (drawing / sheet number) add page number, save as new filename in different location.
Does that sound doable?
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It would be GREAT if LT would just add the LISPs part.
We would upgrade from LT2008 to the Latest right away.
Are you listening Kate?
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Dude let go of that dream, it will never happen.
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Are they in model space or paper space?
Here's what I would do.
Get a directory listing of the drawings.
Open it in Excel to create my script.
Assuming that the page number is also in the file name...
- open file, edit text (drawing / sheet number) add page number, save as new filename in different location.
Does that sound doable?
I am not following this part.
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Argh... I REALLY wish I had more time to get into this, but I can't today... not until next week. I have to work somewhere else tomorrow and Friday, so I have a lot of stuff to do today.
That is the part that would be done in the script, anyway.
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Your boss needs to take a real close look at the Intellicad clones like Bricscad. They are excellent cad packages that will read and write .dwg files the same as AutoCAD. The last I saw, they were missing only a few commands from the full 3-D capable, lisp/arx using standard AutoCAD for less money than LT. They did not have some of the later features like fields at that point, but I am not sure what the newest version has included. Daniel could give a better rundown than I of the current version. Bottom line is that it looks, runs and does the same work that full AutoCAD offers at a much more afffordable price.
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do not know if you can do this, but you can become an adn member for the standard membership you will pay 1,350 a year, and can use virtually all autodesk software via download.
or do not know if the subscription might also be less expensive.
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Your boss needs to take a real close look at the Intellicad clones like Bricscad. They are excellent cad packages that will read and write .dwg files the same as AutoCAD. The last I saw, they were missing only a few commands from the full 3-D capable, lisp/arx using standard AutoCAD for less money than LT. They did not have some of the later features like fields at that point, but I am not sure what the newest version has included. Daniel could give a better rundown than I of the current version. Bottom line is that it looks, runs and does the same work that full AutoCAD offers at a much more afffordable price.
times one million
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One large problem with BrisCAD or any other CAD prgs, is that we have outside Engineers that put it right in the Construction Spec that our dwgs must be AutoCAD Rev ###.
Even though other CAD prgs write to a .dwg file, I am concerned about them meeting Spec.
But then again, I wonder if we bought just ONE version of LT and saved the BrisCAD files with AutoCAD software. Would this erase all traces of the 'BrisCAD'?
But, I feel pretty confident that we will never deviate from AutoDesk.
craigr
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Wow! I don't see how people can live without Lisp/C++ APIs....doing things the hard way.. :-o
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Wow! I don't see how people can live without Lisp/C++ APIs....doing things the hard way.. :-o
Do things the hard way or not at all. :(
I get excited when I think of something new to automate, only to discover that it cannot be done with a macro / scripts.
Oh well, that is why the Full version is sooooo expensive.
craigr
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To be honest your company has lost far more in productivity than the cost of one full seat of autocad, whether or not ya'll recognize it. No hate, just sayin', myopia -- your company has it.
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Yeah, in my opinion, I think it would be worth buying ONE full license and keeping it around for these opportunities. In theory, you shouldn't have to upgrade it all THAT often... once every 6 years would probably be alright, as long as you keep your LT's up-to-date.
That could be one option, anyway.
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To be honest your company has lost far more in productivity than the cost of one full seat of autocad, whether or not ya'll recognize it. No hate, just sayin', myopia -- your company has it.
I have a tough enough time getting them to updated LT more often than ever 3 years or so. I can't see ever getting them to upgrade all 10 licenses to the Full version for $4000.
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To be honest your company has lost far more in productivity than the cost of one full seat of autocad, whether or not ya'll recognize it. No hate, just sayin', myopia -- your company has it.
I have a tough enough time getting them to updated LT more often than ever 3 years or so. I can't see ever getting them to upgrade all 10 licenses to the Full version for $4000.
wut
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Oops, forgot the extra '0'.
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Get ONE seat of Full AutoCAD with a network license. Install it on X number of computers and have a daily arm wrestle to see who gets to use it. :) Everyone else gets LT.
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Oops, forgot the extra '0'.
I think he was referring to his idea of purchasing ONE seat of AutoCAD... not 10. Your office can mix it up. 9 seats of LT and 1 of ACAD, etc. You don't have to have ALL LT or ALL Full AutoCAD's.
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Honestly, I think that I am the only one that would be writing / running LISPs. So, one FULL version may work for us. But, I am the only one to customize my AutoCAD, then everyone else uses my customizations.
So, if I used the full version, I couldn't easily export my custom macros to the LT users. - (They would be lost without them.)
craigr
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again...
or.... try to become an adn member and get all the software .... for one they will pay 1,350 to up to 5 - 2,400
at least there it is that possibility.
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Macros & scripts will work for both versions, but you'd have to be carefull not to use any lisp routines IN your macros because THOSE ones wouldn't work for the LT folks.
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again...
or.... try to become an adn member and get all the software .... for one they will pay 1,350 to up to 5 - 2,400
at least there it is that possibility.
I don't understand what you mean about being a 'adn member'. I will have to jump on the Autodesk site and investigate. Thanks for the suggestion.
craigr
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<puts on flame suit> I've never heard someone try so hard to maintain and justify the status quo while complaining about it, it's weird. :lol:
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I have one license - that do not use (the people I work for have adn membership, so I can get all the apps available there at no cost)... but one cannot not do anything, have used it on my previous job place, where they do not upgrade at all, but now many new jobs required to be done using specific technology - so it is your company choice to stay out of date or pay.
There is a say in Spanish something about the lines below - that I bet it is also use here in the USA:
The cheap end up being expensive
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The cheap end up being expensive
exactly
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Maybe this is a way to explain it.
Say we have TEN 2wd Ford F150 pickups with a six cyclinder engine. For everyone but me, this is more than enough the vast majority of the time. It is even enough for me 75% of the time. But, at times, I need to haul double the load / weight up a mountain, off-road. It would be great to have a F350 dually with a Larger box & 4wd to do the task in one trip the shortest route 'as the crow flies'. But, instead, I use MY F150, overloaded, up the mountain on pot hole infested muddy winding roads, sometimes having to backtrack and go the long way around an impassable portion just to get my work done. Now I still get my load to the top of the mountain, though it took me all morning.
The people that write the checks here see that everything was deliverd - The job got done. Now I have to try to justify buying the F350 and spending MUCH more money to do something that I don't have to do very often. Now don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to have the F350 and I am sure that I could use its added features / abilities, but I don't write the checks. - I guess I was just looking for something that would make my F150 get me up the mountain quicker / easier for much less money than the F350.
This is kind of simplistic, but it is where I am at.
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I see it more as a baton race -- having at least one runner who is an elite athlete whose efforts can eclipse the short comings of the slackers. :lol:
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again...
or.... try to become an adn member and get all the software .... for one they will pay 1,350 to up to 5 - 2,400
at least there it is that possibility.
I don't know if it's changed but, when I was an ADN member, those applications were for development only and not to be used for commercial purposes (outside of, of course, development).
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By no means do I mean to belittle my coworkers.
They are engineers that concentrate on Engineering. They don't do CAD all day like I do. This is why I share my custom macros with them, because the macros do sooo many repetitive things with the click of an icon.
THEY are great at Engineering, trying to do the best they can the most effeciantly in the shortest amount of time.
I am just trying to do the same thing in AutoCAD.
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THEY are great at Engineering, trying to do the best they can the most effeciantly in the shortest amount of time.
I am just trying to do the same thing in AutoCAD.
Yeah but you're trying to milk lamborghini performance from a lada :lol:
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Yeah but you're trying to milk lamborghini performance from a lada :lol:
EXACTLY!
I am always hoping that you kind folks can help me figure out a way to do it. :)
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EXACTLY!
I am always hoping that you kind folks can help me figure out a way to do it. :)
Sorry, It will never <safely> exceed 100mph, no matter how many wrenches we hand you, no matter how much we will it to do so.
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Yep, sometimes, you need that "secret weapon".
Just remind them that "You get what you pay for"... or not.
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Throughout the years, you folks have gracously given me & also helped me figure out a few ways to get it to go just a little faster. (And even off road a couple of times).
So, I keep asking and offering my few tips to get it to go just a little faster.
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One large problem with BrisCAD or any other CAD prgs, is that we have outside Engineers that put it right in the Construction Spec that our dwgs must be AutoCAD Rev ###.
Even though other CAD prgs write to a .dwg file, I am concerned about them meeting Spec.
But then again, I wonder if we bought just ONE version of LT and saved the BrisCAD files with AutoCAD software. Would this erase all traces of the 'BrisCAD'?
But, I feel pretty confident that we will never deviate from AutoDesk.
craigr
I would try this ... is a free trial download. Get a copy and install it. Then save one copy of any drawing you would normally send them and a second copy of the same drawing opened and saved in Bricscad. Ask them if they can find any difference between the two files and if either would be acceptable per the terms of contract. The only difference I can think of would be an opening message on the Bricscad file advising that it was last saved by a non-genuine Autodesk product and if that is a deal killer the Bricscad file can be opened and saved in AutoCAD and I believe the message goes away.
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yeah....and a furious discussion about whether said application is/was a violation of the EULA, etc, etc....will surely follow
Disassembly and reverse engineering of software in order to create addons is STILL a legally protected right in Europe :angel:
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Disassemble!!! No Dissasemble!!!! (Fleeing)
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Disassemble!!! No Dissasemble!!!! (Fleeing)
Number 5... ALIVE...
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VERY Good!!
I didn't think anyone would get that.
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VERY Good!!
I didn't think anyone would get that.
:) Be gooooodddddd....
NO DISASSEMBLE!!!
In all seriousness, my Mum has always referred to me as Johnny 5... "Need input..." :)