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CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: PITSTOP#1 on March 24, 2010, 08:52:24 AM
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Available for subs members
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Downloading it out of curiosity.
Not in much hurry to change anything unless they dramatically reduced the overhead of the 2010 interface.
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Thanks for the heads up. I'll probably just read over the documentation and see if anything perks my interest. I'll install it for me, per usual, and evaluate if I want to bother the rest of the users with the upgrade.
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Yeah I am going to play around with the 64 bit version.
I noticed my i7 core never really uses its potential with 2010 when auditing or modifying a complex drawing.
It would be nice to see things take advantage of the extra cores and multi threading.
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Yeah I am going to play around with the 64 bit version.
I noticed my i7 core never really uses its potential with 2010 when auditing or modifying a complex drawing.
It would be nice to see things take advantage of the extra cores and multi threading.
Agreed, especially considering how fast the technology is passing up software requirements. Funny how it used to be that the software was -far- from being the bottleneck for common computers, and now the common computer is advanced enough, or designed for speed in a way, that the software is left dumbfounded and comparatively puttering along.
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Yeah I am going to play around with the 64 bit version.
I noticed my i7 core never really uses its potential with 2010 when auditing or modifying a complex drawing.
It would be nice to see things take advantage of the extra cores and multi threading.
Keep wishing. The only real benefit of 64-bit so far seems to be that it doesn't run out of memory as easily. There may be something that's faster, but nothing has jumped out at me as being radically different.
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In particular, handling of large images seems to be as poor as ever. This is one area where Bentley seems to be worlds ahead of Autocad. I keep wishing that some of whatever magic Navisworks uses will make its way into Autocad...
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Yeah I am going to play around with the 64 bit version.
I noticed my i7 core never really uses its potential with 2010 when auditing or modifying a complex drawing.
It would be nice to see things take advantage of the extra cores and multi threading.
Keep wishing. The only real benefit of 64-bit so far seems to be that it doesn't run out of memory as easily. There may be something that's faster, but nothing has jumped out at me as being radically different.
TBH, running out of memory is my biggest problem, as far as I can tell. So even just switching to a 64 bit system would be kick-butt for me. I too often, even with one file open, get "system is running out of memory, do you wish to proceed with the operation?" even if only running the program for an hour or two. I would definitely benefit from more processor power being used, but the memory -is- a big issue for me on my 32-bit OS.
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Windows 7 handles memory much better.
But even on a 64 bit version with 6 GB of RAM, the problem is still occurring when you get a 3D file over 12 MB.
The problem is in AutoCAD and not the OS or hardware.
The process runs out of memory, not the machine.
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Windows 7 handles memory much better.
But even on a 64 bit version with 6 GB of RAM, the problem is still occurring when you get a 3D file over 12 MB.
The problem is in AutoCAD and not the OS or hardware.
The process runs out of memory, not the machine.
/sigh
yea.. that's my problems. I know there are problems with Autocad's ability, but I figure that hardware can maybe help alleviate those problems slightly. I can't even render an animation past like 3 seconds, using a decent amount of quality and lighting. :\
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Rendering and Animation will benefit from better hardware depending on what you use for your software to accomplish it.
Personally if I am working in 3D I prefer Rhino (NURBS Modeler) or 3DS Max.
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Rendering and Animation will benefit from better hardware depending on what you use for your software to accomplish it.
Personally if I am working in 3D I prefer Rhino (NURBS Modeler) or 3DS Max.
Those two -are- so -much- more efficient, that's for sure.
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Rhinocerous is a personal favorite of mine. Very very fast work environment and very intuitive.
McNeel did an awesome job introducing it. Also an awesome customer service group.
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The process runs out of memory, not the machine.
That's not true of 64-bit Autocad. With 64-bit Autocad on a 64-bit OS, the process can address far more memory than you can install on your system.
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The process runs out of memory, not the machine.
That's not true of 64-bit Autocad. With 64-bit Autocad on a 64-bit OS, the process can address far more memory than you can install on your system.
This should be true in a properly written process, but I watch the resources, and it never gets past 1/3rd of the available resources before dying out with exceptions. I venture the memory address is causing the fault and not the amount of memory to address. Maybe once the floating points go beyond the ceiling for that address and becomes a scientific number instead of an integer?
The code may still be 32 bit for the process used even though it is a 64 bit version of AutoCAD?
I'm making a bunch of stupid mental punts at what the problem may be but it isnt the OS or the hardware out of memory.
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So far AutoCAD MEP 2011 =
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So where the heck are you guys downloading it? I can't find it in my subscription center. What a rip!
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Anyone at least have a link to a "what's new" section for it? I saw some general overviews on JTBWorld, which included some sweet additions I've wanted, but that's surely not total coverage, just an overview.
Also, can you guys get to the subscription center via - subscription.autodesk.com - using Firefox?
It takes me to a redirection that constantly bounces back and forth and never loads a page.
The address bar shows this:
https://subscription.autodesk.com/ConsolidatedLogin/wsResponseRedirect.action?TAM_OP=login&USERNAME=unauthenticated&ERROR_CODE=0x00000000&ERROR_TEXT=HPDBA0521I%20%20%20Successful%20completion&URL=%2Fsp&REFERER=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dautodesk%2Bsubscription%2Bcenter%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26aq%3Dt%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial%26client%3Dfirefox-a&HOSTNAME=subscription.autodesk.com&OLDSESSION=1and never arrives at a destination.
I have to use freaking Internet Explorer to get to it (Don't have Chrome installed)
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In general, Autodesk has shown itself to be very unaware of Firefox, and many Autodesk products and websites have trouble with Firefox.
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In general, Autodesk has shown itself to be very unaware of Firefox, and many Autodesk products and websites have trouble with Firefox.
Ok, then. So long as it's not on my side, that's fine. I was worried (even after updating Firefox) that I screwed something up. If it's their fault, that's fine with me, just so long as I know it ain't me, haha.
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It must be you Jo, er, James. I just logged on without a hitch using FF 3.6. Perhaps you have a bad/old login that is getting auto entered?
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It must be you Jo, er, James. I just logged on without a hitch using FF 3.6. Perhaps you have a bad/old login that is getting auto entered?
Possibly. I'll try clearing cookies***. Personally, I liked it better when it was Autodesk's fault. :-D
***Whaddya know! That did it! Thanks Jeff, you're a smart feller :P
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Now James...even I know it can't always be their fault.... ;-)
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The process runs out of memory, not the machine.
That's not true of 64-bit Autocad. With 64-bit Autocad on a 64-bit OS, the process can address far more memory than you can install on your system.
This should be true in a properly written process, but I watch the resources, and it never gets past 1/3rd of the available resources before dying out with exceptions. I venture the memory address is causing the fault and not the amount of memory to address. Maybe once the floating points go beyond the ceiling for that address and becomes a scientific number instead of an integer?
The code may still be 32 bit for the process used even though it is a 64 bit version of AutoCAD?
I'm making a bunch of stupid mental punts at what the problem may be but it isnt the OS or the hardware out of memory.
The problem may be that while Acad runs in as a 64 bit process, the .DWG format is still 32bit.
Acad probably has to do a bit of juggling to maintain drawing compatibility across platforms.
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The Help system is Web-based. You’ll be opening HTML files. As long as you’re connected to the Internet, they’ll be from Autodesk’s Web site. The new system takes a little getting used to.
Wow, fail. Epic fail. I guess everyone in the world has internet 24/7, huh? Jackoffs. :roll:
Secondary Grip Editing
Polylines have grips at the midpoints of their segments, called secondary grips. You can use them to convert the segment to an arc (or to a line if it’s an arc), stretch it, or add a vertex. You can do the same with the traditional grips, now called primary grips.
Awesome! I noticed the secondary grip on hatches since the last release, when the added grips to hatches, and was impressed. I actually used that pretty awesome with unassociative hatches, and found it to be an excellent tool. I could see myself using this often... the only other previous route was to PEDIT > Edit Vertex > Insert... which is a PITA often times, especially if you don't know which 'direction' the points go, in order, before adding a vertex. This will cut down on a lot of time for me, when editting plines.
New Transparency Property
Objects can now be transparent and you can set the transparency percentage. Transparency is an object property just like color and linetype, so you can create layers with transparency. You’ll probably want to use transparency for fills and gradients; it doesn’t do much for the outlines of objects. Here you see some trees at 60% transparency, showing the outline of the house through them.
This has been asked for a long time now. I can see myself using this, but am unsure where... it's something I didn't know whether it would come along, so I didn't put much thought into how I'd use it, if I had it. I do know it's a popular request, and am glad to see it put in.
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I'm -way- behind in getting up to speed with their new improvements to mesh and surface creation/editting, because it mainly isn't a tool that applies to structural design much... we use standard shapes, and thus don't need organic modeling concepts or on-the-fly editting of such. Everything for us is a standard extrusion, pretty much, so editting the cross section polyline will update the shape... on the rare case we use it...
...however they seem to have really come through with a powerful tool that has just become quite bulky in it's possibilities.
I'm pretty impressed with the update. Some good tools that will make me, and others in my office, pretty happy. Eager to give this beast a twirl.
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Secondary Grip Editing
Polylines have grips at the midpoints of their segments, called secondary grips. You can use them to convert the segment to an arc (or to a line if it’s an arc), stretch it, or add a vertex. You can do the same with the traditional grips, now called primary grips.
Awesome! I noticed the secondary grip on hatches since the last release, when the added grips to hatches, and was impressed. I actually used that pretty awesome with unassociative hatches, and found it to be an excellent tool. I could see myself using this often... the only other previous route was to PEDIT > Edit Vertex > Insert... which is a PITA often times, especially if you don't know which 'direction' the points go, in order, before adding a vertex. This will cut down on a lot of time for me, when editting plines.
Intersection grips work the way they should now which is a real bonus.
I wonder who snagged the code from McNeel :ugly:
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The Help system is Web-based. You’ll be opening HTML files. As long as you’re connected to the Internet, they’ll be from Autodesk’s Web site. The new system takes a little getting used to.
Wow, fail. Epic fail. I guess everyone in the world has internet 24/7, huh? Jackoffs. :roll:
do I hear the sound of the IGNORE button being clicked around the world....?
oh wait...it's OK when anyone else goes on a rant..... :police:
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Secondary Grip Editing
Polylines have grips at the midpoints of their segments, called secondary grips. You can use them to convert the segment to an arc (or to a line if it’s an arc), stretch it, or add a vertex. You can do the same with the traditional grips, now called primary grips.
Awesome! I noticed the secondary grip on hatches since the last release, when the added grips to hatches, and was impressed. I actually used that pretty awesome with unassociative hatches, and found it to be an excellent tool. I could see myself using this often... the only other previous route was to PEDIT > Edit Vertex > Insert... which is a PITA often times, especially if you don't know which 'direction' the points go, in order, before adding a vertex. This will cut down on a lot of time for me, when editting plines.
Intersection grips work the way they should now which is a real bonus.
I wonder who snagged the code from McNeel :ugly:
hahah yea. That and the transparency thing (amongst others, I'm sure) are things that Autocad has lacked where others excelled for a long time. The transparency thing, above most, is one I recall seeing from people who switch to Autocad from other platforms and cry out "Wait what... why the heck CAN'T Autocad do this like I could do on 'xxxx' ?"
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I know we will use the transparency setting. That's a long overdue feature.
I was hoping to find a plot property (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=27072.msg325992#msg325992) feature had been added. Nothing yet...
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I know we will use the transparency setting. That's a long overdue feature.
I was hoping to find a plot property (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=27072.msg325992#msg325992) feature had been added. Nothing yet...
Just as a possibility, there is a subscription advantage pack that might be a 'bandaid' feature until they get that added:
http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2009/10/autocad-2010-subscription-advantage-pack---timesaver-tools.html
Hide and isolate objects: A top AUGI request, AutoCAD users now have the ability to turn on and off objects regardless of layer. Because of this key timesaver, you no longer need to track down objects across many layers in order to hide information that isn’t relevant while you update a drawing. And you can quickly show or hide the objects again as needed.
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The Help system is Web-based. You’ll be opening HTML files. As long as you’re connected to the Internet, they’ll be from Autodesk’s Web site. The new system takes a little getting used to.
Wow, fail. Epic fail. I guess everyone in the world has internet 24/7, huh? Jackoffs. :roll:
They added two variables, one to use internet help or the installed help and the other to use IE or the default browser which dose not support all Autodesk Help Features. :ugly:
I think a biog waste is the changing of the grid to graph lines. but that is my narrow minded opinion.
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Just as a possibility, there is a subscription advantage pack that might be a 'bandaid' feature until they get that added:
http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2009/10/autocad-2010-subscription-advantage-pack---timesaver-tools.html
Hide and isolate objects: A top AUGI request, AutoCAD users now have the ability to turn on and off objects regardless of layer. Because of this key timesaver, you no longer need to track down objects across many layers in order to hide information that isn’t relevant while you update a drawing. And you can quickly show or hide the objects again as needed.
No this has nothing to do with layer. This feature and and the select similar has been in Arch vertical since 2008 and I think but not sure 2007. These two tools are very very powerful. IMO they should have been added to all Auotcad products a long time ago. They did improve them with some settings and filters (respectively) which I am looking forward to but they are no big hurrah for me. Did I say these are however tools.
Now they just need to add the AEC modify tools to all programs.
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The Help system is Web-based. You’ll be opening HTML files. As long as you’re connected to the Internet, they’ll be from Autodesk’s Web site. The new system takes a little getting used to.
Wow, fail. Epic fail. I guess everyone in the world has internet 24/7, huh? Jackoffs. :roll:
They added two variables, one to use internet help or the installed help and the other to use IE or the default browser which dose not support all Autodesk Help Features. :ugly:
I think a biog waste is the changing of the grid to graph lines. but that is my narrow minded opinion.
Yea, they keep tinkering with a couple tiny things like grid and default background color and the UCS icon. They are all teeny tiny miniscule things, but just sort of an eye-roller with me, I guess. TBH, the graph paper thing is possibly a common user comment... most every other CAD or modeling program I've used has the graph paper thing going on. However, I can see how people who routinely -use- grid, who are used to -dots- will be a bit peaved at it being changed -for them-... I do not know if this is something you can toggle between dots and graph lines... but that would have been a smart idea for them to do, imo, to supply a toggle, rather than full change.
Not a dog in that hunt though, as I eschew all grid-and-snap settings. Can't think that I've ever used it in the past 4+ years with this company, nor the last I worked for.
It irks me slightly that they took the arrow heads off the 2D UCS icon though... but it won't affect me.
OH! and thanks for the tip on the help files. My main concern was using Autocad at home where I don't always care to keep internet, during -often- DSL interruption at work, and needing to access Help files (which is an often occurrence) Good that they still have the help file installed locally then.
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OH! and thanks for the tip on the help files. My main concern was using Autocad at home where I don't always care to keep internet, during -often- DSL interruption at work, and needing to access Help files (which is an often occurrence) Good that they still have the help file installed locally then.
What they should have done is added a sub-option to the local help files. That when you do connect to internet you get a download of the latest and greatest set of help files. Just my crazy tinkering thought.
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OH! and thanks for the tip on the help files. My main concern was using Autocad at home where I don't always care to keep internet, during -often- DSL interruption at work, and needing to access Help files (which is an often occurrence) Good that they still have the help file installed locally then.
What they should have done is added a sub-option to the local help files. That when you do connect to internet you get a download of the latest and greatest set of help files. Just my crazy tinkering thought.
That would be neat too. I don't know how often they're updated, though, so it may be a moot point.
I know they've already had their help file system online for a while, and I -have- used it on occasion, when I find error in my local help files, and it has been a great help. I was just under the misconception that they migrated -completely- to online-only help, to which I abhorred... but since that's not the case, all is well in my little world!
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I've been asking for "select similiar" to be added to Vanilla AutoCAD just based on the Object Enabler libraries since 2007 Building Systems. The plain simple fact is, we don't use the aec content because of the poor proprietary version compatibility issues sarrounding them for MEP. We stick with our own block libraries with some dynamic features added and leave it at that. Why? Less training time wasted on instant annual obsolescence.
But we have to use the vertical to get the select similiar feature.
With 2010 I was however able to trick the ACAD profile to use the select similiar with the MEP libraries but not load out as full MEP.
So the feature is entirely possible since 2007 they just refuse to do it.
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We use grid occasionally and I agree with you in hoping that it's an option... Dots OR Lines.
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We use grid occasionally and I agree with you in hoping that it's an option... Dots OR Lines.
According to the Download the AutoCAD 2011 Preview Guide (http://autodesk.blogs.com/files/autocad-2011-preview-guide_final.pdf) it has been REPLACED! Que the weird music
Drawing Window
The drawing window has been updated in AutoCAD 2011 to display a dark gray background in modelspace.
You can easily modify the drawing window color from the Display tab of the Options dialog box.
The traditional dot grid has been replaced with horizontal and vertical gridlines to more closely
represent engineering graph paper. When the grid is enabled, red and green lines extend from the UCS
icon to represent the X and Y axes of the origin.
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Is it ready. cool. Ill download now.
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Is it ready. cool. Ill download now.
Possibly not ready depending on your subscription account... it still hasn't showed up for our subscription account, though we have Inventor 2011 up there already.
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doh! :realmad:
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We use grid occasionally and I agree with you in hoping that it's an option... Dots OR Lines.
According to the Download the AutoCAD 2011 Preview Guide (http://autodesk.blogs.com/files/autocad-2011-preview-guide_final.pdf) it has been REPLACED! Que the weird music
Drawing Window
The drawing window has been updated in AutoCAD 2011 to display a dark gray background in modelspace.
You can easily modify the drawing window color from the Display tab of the Options dialog box.
The traditional dot grid has been replaced with horizontal and vertical gridlines to more closely
represent engineering graph paper. When the grid is enabled, red and green lines extend from the UCS
icon to represent the X and Y axes of the origin.
The ribbon "replaced" menus and toolbars, too. :-)
(Drafting settings, Grid and Snap tab)
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The Help system is Web-based. You’ll be opening HTML files. As long as you’re connected to the Internet, they’ll be from Autodesk’s Web site. The new system takes a little getting used to.
Wow, fail. Epic fail. I guess everyone in the world has internet 24/7, huh?
If you're not connected to the internet, it defaults to the off-line files.
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The Help system is Web-based. You’ll be opening HTML files. As long as you’re connected to the Internet, they’ll be from Autodesk’s Web site. The new system takes a little getting used to.
Wow, fail. Epic fail. I guess everyone in the world has internet 24/7, huh?
If you're not connected to the internet, it defaults to the off-line files.
Yea, Krush enlightened me to that, later. Mucho happy for that. I thought it was a "replaced" thing, when I was reading the new feature overview, and turns out, happily, that I misread, or misinterpreted!
What do you think of 2011? ;)
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For me, it's the usual. There's some neat features I'd like to start trying to use, but I'm fearful, and C3D 2011 won't touch any production drawings until after SP1...
Autodesk has trained me to behave this way. :|
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Just read the whole 50-some page preview guide in the "sanctuary"
I'm pretty excited. A -lot- of new features that I think are going to eliminate a -lot- of the things that piss me off.
Textual linetypes can now be auto-oriented!!!!!!!!! No more upside text in a linetype!!!
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No more upside text in a linetype!!!
That is... until you rotate the viewport :roll: :P
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Just read the whole 50-some page preview guide in the "sanctuary"
:-D :-D
I alluded very loudly mind you that my new "porn mag" just showed up.
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No more upside text in a linetype!!!
That is... until you rotate the viewport :roll: :P
Que?
Does it only maintain the alignment you want in model space?
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Yes, I am really looking forward to the transparency feature... as long as it isn't too 'buggy'.
However, I'm wondering how it will work with previous versions. I would assume objects with some transparency will just appear opaque...
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Yes, I am really looking forward to the transparency feature... as long as it isn't too 'buggy'.
However, I'm wondering how it will work with previous versions. I would assume objects with some transparency will just appear opaque...
Likely so.
There is a property in the plot settings whether or not to "plot with transparency" which "rasterizes" the entire drawing... basically creating an image of it, and plotting that, which takes a while. It mentions considerable slowing of plot process when this option is active. Luckily you can keep it off when transparency does not apply.
Since older versions do not have a "plot with transparency" feature in the plot dialog... there will be no transparency.
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Interesting.
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There is a property in the plot settings whether or not to "plot with transparency" which "rasterizes" the entire drawing... basically creating an image of it, and plotting that, which takes a while. It mentions considerable slowing of plot process when this option is active. Luckily you can keep it off when transparency does not apply.
That sounds like it could create some problems.
They already do something like that with image transparency in Map, and Map also has a way of plotting the transparency. I've had very dismal results trying to actually send such plots to my printers. However, this probably also has something to do with printer drivers. On one drawing where I was trying to use transparency, I could not print straight to the printer, but I was able to print to PDF, then send the PDF to the printer.
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I'm wary of the quality and consistency of line weights and text quality when plotting, after they rasterize the plot, then print it. I suspend my doubts until I see results, though.
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The Help system is Web-based. You’ll be opening HTML files. As long as you’re connected to the Internet, they’ll be from Autodesk’s Web site. The new system takes a little getting used to.
Wow, fail. Epic fail. I guess everyone in the world has internet 24/7, huh? Jackoffs. :roll:
They added two variables, one to use internet help or the installed help and the other to use IE or the default browser which dose not support all Autodesk Help Features. :ugly:
Seems similar to MS Visual Studio where the option is provided as a config dynamic selection.
Sometimes it's handy to get the most recent doc's .... I do hope [they] provide the option to download current docs though. :)
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Has anyone played with the 2011 CUI much yet?
Have they fixed the icon problems yet? Creating custom toolbars is a royal pain, because of the way the CUI mishandles images. And it's been like that ever since the CUI was introduced in 2006. I keep hoping they'll get it fixed one of these years.
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I'm downloading 2011 right now, but I'm wondering if anyone knows what the release date for Raster Design (or any other products). I can't find any 'projected' release dates anywhere.
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I'm downloading 2011 right now, but I'm wondering if anyone knows what the release date for Raster Design (or any other products). I can't find any 'projected' release dates anywhere.
AutoCAD Raster Design 2011 has not yet been released, and unfortunately, we have not yet been advised of the release date for this product. You will receive an email notification once the product has been released that will contain your new 2011 serial number.
This kind of grinds my gears for a few reasons.
I'm guessing that it's safe to say that A majority of companies only use AutoCAD, with no other vertical applications and for them, there would be no issues.
We are in the subscription program, with AutoCAD AND Raster Design. AutoCAD always comes out first with the verticals coming later on. We don't NEED Raster Design to continue functioning, but I'm sure there are some of you who DO need them to keep on keepin' on.
I guess I'm just harping on them for no good reason... just because I can, I guess. It would just be nice if they waited until everything was ready to go before letting ANY of it go.
While I'm at it, I'll also throw out my other wish... I wish they would make different versions of the subscription program. Something like:
1) Annual upgrades (current flavour)
2) Upgrades every OTHER year
3) Every third year
I dunno... I'll just shut up now.
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I'm downloading 2011 right now, but I'm wondering if anyone knows what the release date for Raster Design (or any other products). I can't find any 'projected' release dates anywhere.
AutoCAD Raster Design 2011 has not yet been released, and unfortunately, we have not yet been advised of the release date for this product. You will receive an email notification once the product has been released that will contain your new 2011 serial number.
This kind of grinds my gears for a few reasons.
I'm guessing that it's safe to say that A majority of companies only use AutoCAD, with no other vertical applications and for them, there would be no issues.
We are in the subscription program, with AutoCAD AND Raster Design. AutoCAD always comes out first with the verticals coming later on. We don't NEED Raster Design to continue functioning, but I'm sure there are some of you who DO need them to keep on keepin' on.
I guess I'm just harping on them for no good reason... just because I can, I guess. It would just be nice if they waited until everything was ready to go before letting ANY of it go.
While I'm at it, I'll also throw out my other wish... I wish they would make different versions of the subscription program. Something like:
1) Annual upgrades (current flavour)
2) Upgrades every OTHER year
3) Every third year
I dunno... I'll just shut up now.
no really, please continue....they aren't ignoring you yet.... :lmao:
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While I'm at it, I'll also throw out my other wish... I wish they would make different versions of the subscription program. Something like:
1) Annual upgrades (current flavour)
2) Upgrades every OTHER year
3) Every third year
I dunno... I'll just shut up now.
Thats not a bad idea. I can see a number of companies getting on board with that, with a larger discount for larger intervals.
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While I'm at it, I'll also throw out my other wish... I wish they would make different versions of the subscription program. Something like:
1) Annual upgrades (current flavour)
2) Upgrades every OTHER year
3) Every third year
I dunno... I'll just shut up now.
Thats not a bad idea. I can see a number of companies getting on board with that, with a larger discount for larger intervals.
Except it's the exact opposite of what Autodesk wants... They want you to upgrade every year. If they gave you larger discounts for larger intervals, you would have an incentive for the exact opposite. In fact, we'd have people clamoring for a really cheap upgrade once every four years, or something like that.
Not gonna happen.
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While I'm at it, I'll also throw out my other wish... I wish they would make different versions of the subscription program. Something like:
1) Annual upgrades (current flavour)
2) Upgrades every OTHER year
3) Every third year
I dunno... I'll just shut up now.
Thats not a bad idea. I can see a number of companies getting on board with that, with a larger discount for larger intervals.
Except it's the exact opposite of what Autodesk wants... They want you to upgrade every year. If they gave you larger discounts for larger intervals, you would have an incentive for the exact opposite. In fact, we'd have people clamoring for a really cheap upgrade once every four years, or something like that.
Not gonna happen.
Well, this I know. HOWEVER, they could probably get a few (thousand?) more subscribers if they made something like that available. LOTS of companies buy one version and stick with it for YEARS before upgrading.
Meh... I also keep wishing for a winning lottery ticket.
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While I'm at it, I'll also throw out my other wish... I wish they would make different versions of the subscription program. Something like:
1) Annual upgrades (current flavour)
2) Upgrades every OTHER year
3) Every third year
I dunno... I'll just shut up now.
Thats not a bad idea. I can see a number of companies getting on board with that, with a larger discount for larger intervals.
Except it's the exact opposite of what Autodesk wants... They want you to upgrade every year. If they gave you larger discounts for larger intervals, you would have an incentive for the exact opposite. In fact, we'd have people clamoring for a really cheap upgrade once every four years, or something like that.
Not gonna happen.
Because it's also backwards from logic, if you look at it another way. If the product improvements are worth $500 for every year of improvements, advancements, additions, fixes, and tuning... and you only upgraded every 2 years, well, thing is, you're still getting 2 years worth of all those improvements, advancements, additions, etc... so by installing 2010, and 2012, you are still getting $1,500 worth of upgrade, even though you only bought $1,000 worth of releases... just because you didn't buy 2011, doesn't mean you didn't get it's advances when you installed 2012... so I can kind of see their logic, but it took me a very long time to come to this conclusion.
Basically what people want is to pay one low price for continual years worth of advancement.
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James...the marketing people have finally cooked your logic, so that their sales pitch makes perfect sense to you now....really giving them a fixed fee every year does NOT yield equivalent gains in features, or functionality given that it often takes three or four releases to fix the bugs introduced with each 'new' feature or function. ;-)
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So when M-Dub slams on Adesk it's OK; and when I do it it isn't?
http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=32735.msg384086#msg384086 (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=32735.msg384086#msg384086)
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So when M-Dub slams on Adesk it's OK; and when I do it it isn't?
http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=32735.msg384086#msg384086 (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=32735.msg384086#msg384086)
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Neither :-P
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At the end of the day, we work about 1900 hours in a year. Don't you think a large company cannot afford roughly 1 buck to be added to hourly charge out rate? This would be enough to cover subscription and update training easily! :angel:
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yes Serge, I agree, it's one of the the costs of doing business.
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Don't you think a large company cannot afford roughly 1 buck to be added to hourly charge out rate?
A small company can't. In fact, our rates are now about 30% lower than they were two years ago, just in order to get work.
So the added speed we get from C3D is NOT going into increased profit. It's going into staying afloat while companies around us are going out of business.
We're hoping that once the economy turns around, we'll be well-positioned. But it's pretty harsh right now.
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Thats not a bad idea. I can see a number of companies getting on board with that, with a larger discount for larger intervals.
We are on the 3 year plan, which saved us a lot of money. Exact amount I dont remember, but I think it was 15% off what the annual would have been over the 3 years.
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Thats not a bad idea. I can see a number of companies getting on board with that, with a larger discount for larger intervals.
We are on the 3 year plan, which saved us a lot of money. Exact amount I dont remember, but I think it was 15% off what the annual would have been over the 3 years.
Except you're talking about something different...
You're talking about pre-paying your subscription for three years. The original post was about a cheaper subscription program, which would only entitle people to an upgrade once every two years, or an upgrade once every three years.
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Hows everybody finding 2011.
Ive been using AutoCAD it's ok.
I like the select similiar, added from MEP.
I will move onto trial MEP 2011 next week.
Testing them both, before I roll out to whole company.
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Hows everybody finding 2011.
It's awfully dusty.
But maybe that's because I haven't moved it from the shelf.
I've been a bit busy ;\
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Hows everybody finding 2011.
It's awfully dusty.
But maybe that's because I haven't moved it from the shelf.
I've been a bit busy ;\
Same here.
Actually, I have to wait 90 days after the release of AutoCAD for our EDMS to release their update. They need 90 days ( ± ) to become compatible with the latest Autodesk release. Here's hoping that it won't take them any longer.
I'm also waiting for Raster Design 2011 before we install acad... I want to do all of the upgrades at once.
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Ditto - waiting on Raster Design *crosses fingers network licensing fiasco from 2010 fixed* and our third-party add-ons like CADWorx. In the meantime I'm getting started on the new Enterprise CUIs and getting used to ribbon customization.
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Hows everybody finding 2011.
It's awfully dusty.
But maybe that's because I haven't moved it from the shelf.
I've been a bit busy ;\
Same here.
Actually, I have to wait 90 days after the release of AutoCAD for our EDMS to release their update. They need 90 days ( ± ) to become compatible with the latest Autodesk release. Here's hoping that it won't take them any longer.
I'm also waiting for Raster Design 2011 before we install acad... I want to do all of the upgrades at once.
I was just thinking about this again... I'm just thinking that the fact that I have to wait so long for Raster Design makes the whole annual upgrade pretty ridiculous. AutoCAD comes out, then 2 - 3 months later, RD comes out and then we can install the upgrades. Roughly 9 months after that, here comes the next version of AutoCAD... :roll:
Sorry... just kind of a mini vent. I really wish they had more flexible versions of their subscription program.
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Hey, Newbie Here..
We just got 2011 & 2011 Raster Design @ work.
I HAVE Been Looking for Days, week or 2, for an answer to;
When using Raster Design, the Grip Selection is SNAFU.
I know about the Pickadd, the Pickfirst, and am exhausted trying to figure how to,
"Pick Multiple, Selected Grips", and perform a Function...???
I Open My Acad program, and compare the settings, and they seem to be Identical,,, BUT....
The independent Grip Selection works in Acad...?
Besides the Brain-cells and Patience What am I Not seeing???
( I know... the Grips...!!!)
Thanks TGBO,
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I don't have RD here, but I think it's similar to what Map3D does.....there are options for selecting images, the default is SHIFT + LeftClick.....which is what you need for the multiple grips. In Map the command to get to this setting is MAPIOPTIONS, then in the General Tab I must uncheck this setting. I'm sure you will find the RD Options to be similar.
Jeff
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I don't have RD here, but I think it's similar to what Map3D does.....there are options for selecting images, the default is SHIFT + LeftClick.....which is what you need for the multiple grips. In Map the command to get to this setting is MAPIOPTIONS, then in the General Tab I must uncheck this setting. I'm sure you will find the RD Options to be similar.
Jeff
Thats correct, there is a setting when RD is loaded which controls whether shift-click is used to select an image or not.
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Ah yes, I remember now...
Shift To Deselect (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=5346.msg226954#msg226954)
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You guys are Great.
About not being to select Multiple Grips ate the same time in RD 2011, Right On The Money..!!!
In the 'ioptions' there was an option to Shift and Select on the General Tab.
Un-Checked it and it worked as I needed it to.
Thank You All, and To All a Good Night,
Happy Holiday's to All.
TGBO