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CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: rkmcswain on February 12, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
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For those that have interest.
AutoCAD 2009 in 2 minutes (http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com/2008/02/autocad-2009-in-2-minutes.html)
Shaan Hurley's Blog (http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2008/02/the-2009-produc.html)
Lynn Allen's Blog (http://lynn.blogs.com/lynn_allens_blog/2008/02/autocad-2009-is.html)
Heidi Hewett's Blog (http://heidihewett.blogs.com/my_weblog/2008/02/the-word-is-out.html)
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Thanks for the links.
I've read over the preview guide for the past few weeks just... either smacking my forehead, shaking my head, or cheering. Very mixed feelings, but this release, more than previous has definitely caused stronger feelings than before. What sucks, sucks harder, and what is cool, is way cool.
I'm happy that many things are allowed to be turned off, though. I find it ludicrous that they make such flippant decisions about interface though... I mean how many of us just got used to using the Dashboard and have come to use it? Now it's totally gone! What the frick, Autodesk... seriously come on. *shakes head*
Maybe next year they'll work on some features that actually help get a model displayed properly on construction documents, instead of worrying about wasting time and effort on a bunch of crap that will never leave the computer. HOW ABOUT WORRYING ABOUT THE PAPER RESULT, YOU NINNIES?! That's what we all make the money on!!!!
*edit*
Sorry, one slipped through the filter... toned it down a bit, but made it RED to emphasize the anger :P
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For those that have interest.
AutoCAD 2009 in 2 minutes (http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com/2008/02/autocad-2009-in-2-minutes.html)
AutoCAD 2009 is going to blow you away at first, not because of any spectacular new features, but because the UI has changed in such a dramatic way.
Oh boy a new UI. *sigh*
Is it really as big as it looks?
thanks for the info. :-)
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I've been using 2009 for a while and it's pretty good, very stable.
I don't like the new ribbon, but you get used to it very quickly.
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What about the CUI, has it changed as well?
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I don't like the new ribbon, but you get used to it very quickly.
So you're saying we don't have a choice?
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I don't like the new ribbon, but you get used to it very quickly.
So you're saying we don't have a choice?
Me thinks you can turn that feature off, and stay with the "classic" look.
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Meh, shining up the pig again.
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I don't like the new ribbon, but you get used to it very quickly.
So you're saying we don't have a choice?
There's a sysvar (menustyle or something like that) that you can put the menus back where they intuitively belong.
That's one thing I can really applaud them for... I think they learned from recent problems... most all the new stuff that is rather controversial... can be turned off!
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So what does THIS beast need for hardware?? Looks real purty-like, but how much RAM do I need? I'm guessing they'll be "recommending" 4GB for MEP!!
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oh, it's MENUBAR as rkmcswain's nice collection states.
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I've been using 2009 for a while and it's pretty good, very stable.
So what is your favorite new option Andy?
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I've been using 2009 for a while and it's pretty good, very stable.
So what is your favorite new option Andy?
Probably the ability to uninstall!!
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Meh to the javascript on your site that throws up distracting and annoying dialogs, significantly detracting from reading the potentially interesting info. Guess I'll just mark it unsafe.
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I've read over the preview guide for the past few weeks...
Are you in the beta program?
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oh, it's MENUBAR as rkmcswain's nice collection states.
Well actually he said ..
Ok, where are the pull-down menus? Do you see that Big Red "A" in the upper left corner? Click on that to expose the Menu Browser. This is sort of like the Windows Start Menu, except it's in the upper left hand corner. Judge for yourself, if you want the old style pull-down menus, set MENUBAR to 1.
Does that just put the menus at the top of the window or does it turn off the "Ribbon" thing?
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Well, I like this part:
Can be oriented horizontally or vertically
· Fully customizable using the CUI editor
Makes the UI so much sweeter. I do like the menu being a pulldown. I've always wanted to get rid of that as well as the status bar buttons. Who needs them.
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For those that have interest.
AutoCAD 2009 in 2 minutes (http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com/2008/02/autocad-2009-in-2-minutes.html)
Shaan Hurley's Blog (http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2008/02/the-2009-produc.html)
Lynn Allen's Blog (http://lynn.blogs.com/lynn_allens_blog/2008/02/autocad-2009-is.html)
Heidi Hewett's Blog (http://heidihewett.blogs.com/my_weblog/2008/02/the-word-is-out.html)
Is Google reader slow, or is it just me? I don't have any of those posts yet except Lynn's.
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Yeah, I hope the ribbon can be turned off too. I also like that the layer menu is now a palette. That could've come sooner. P.S. I'm glad the dashboard is gone. I never could get used to that.
Sorry Kate, this is not a response to you, but to Mark's and previous.
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I've read over the preview guide for the past few weeks...
Are you in the beta program?
Yes, but unfortunately I did not get time to download and try most of the stuff out, which is why I resorted to the preview guide.
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oh, it's MENUBAR as rkmcswain's nice collection states.
Well actually he said ..
Ok, where are the pull-down menus? Do you see that Big Red "A" in the upper left corner? Click on that to expose the Menu Browser. This is sort of like the Windows Start Menu, except it's in the upper left hand corner. Judge for yourself, if you want the old style pull-down menus, set MENUBAR to 1.
Does that just put the menus at the top of the window or does it turn off the "Ribbon" thing?
ah... hmph... good question. I guess I may have been a little presumptuous.
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Yeah, I hope the ribbon can be turned off too. I also like that the layer menu is now a palette. That could've come sooner. P.S. I'm glad the dashboard is gone. I never could get used to that.
Sorry Kate, this is not a response to you, but to Mark's and previous.
Yea, I'm a big fan of the Layer Manager being a Palette. I was just starting to get used to the Dashboard, though, because doing visualization stuff like materials and lighting is loads easier using the dashboard... especially for lighting. I just can't fathom why they would make such a major addition/modification and then *poof* oh well, it's gone now. We need software that is stable, that we can be USED to, that we can form long-lasting habits with, that we can remain EFFICIENT with... *sigh*
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From the looks of it, a lot of stuff made it into LT too. 8-)
The LT guide says it can grip-edit xclips, but no mention of whether it can *create* them...
Woo hoo! We can attach images now!! And create non-rectangular viewports!!
True Color & color book support is there, but that doesn't mean so much to me.
And we get fields...sweet.
I've been using the "Steering Wheels" for a long time with Design Review, and haven't been that impressed. We'll see how it works here.
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Yeah, I hope the ribbon can be turned off too. I also like that the layer menu is now a palette. That could've come sooner. P.S. I'm glad the dashboard is gone. I never could get used to that.
Sorry Kate, this is not a response to you, but to Mark's and previous.
Yea, I'm a big fan of the Layer Manager being a Palette. I was just starting to get used to the Dashboard, though, because doing visualization stuff like materials and lighting is loads easier using the dashboard... especially for lighting. I just can't fathom why they would make such a major addition/modification and then *poof* oh well, it's gone now. We need software that is stable, that we can be USED to, that we can form long-lasting habits with, that we can remain EFFICIENT with... *sigh*
From the guide:
"You can also emulate Dashboard behavior by undocking the Ribbon and anchoring it to the left or right."
So it's not gone, just renamed & changed.
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Yeah, I hope the ribbon can be turned off too. I also like that the layer menu is now a palette. That could've come sooner. P.S. I'm glad the dashboard is gone. I never could get used to that.
Sorry Kate, this is not a response to you, but to Mark's and previous.
Yea, I'm a big fan of the Layer Manager being a Palette. I was just starting to get used to the Dashboard, though, because doing visualization stuff like materials and lighting is loads easier using the dashboard... especially for lighting. I just can't fathom why they would make such a major addition/modification and then *poof* oh well, it's gone now. We need software that is stable, that we can be USED to, that we can form long-lasting habits with, that we can remain EFFICIENT with... *sigh*
From the guide:
"You can also emulate Dashboard behavior by undocking the Ribbon and anchoring it to the left or right."
So it's not gone, just renamed & changed.
I'll have to see how much I can customize the Ribbon though before I accept it. I'm starting to see what I see so many before me complain about... about how they just get their company set up on routine, habitual, consistent behavior... and now there's a huge flippin' wrench thrown in. I shudder to think of the complaining and whining I'm going to have to put up with from all the users. I haven't even been able to get them to update to 2008, all of them, yet.
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Does that just put the menus at the top of the window or does it turn off the "Ribbon" thing?
MENUBAR is a 0/1 toggle that shows the standard old menubar along the top.
RIBBON and RIBBONCLOSE control whether the ribbon is visible.
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Is Google reader slow, or is it just me? I don't have any of those posts yet except Lynn's.
I frequently don't see my own posts show up in GR for an hour or so after they are posted.
Not sure who to blame...?
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Does that just put the menus at the top of the window or does it turn off the "Ribbon" thing?
MENUBAR is a 0/1 toggle that shows the standard old menubar along the top.
RIBBON and RIBBONCLOSE control whether the ribbon is visible.
Thanks! I really don't know why I'm so worried about it, it'll be a couple of years before I get to use it anyway.
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"You can also emulate Dashboard behavior by undocking the Ribbon and anchoring it to the left or right."
So it's not gone, just renamed & changed.
True, type in DASHBOARD and you get RIBBON
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The Ribbon can be turned off with RibbonClose. There are also 3 different sizes that you can have it display. The first is that which is shown in the blogs. The next is just the Headers & Sub-Headers being shown, no icons, hovering over the subheader displays the icons. The third is just the Headers and requires a mouse click to show the subheaders with their icons.
It can also be used in conjunction with the standard menu and/or toolbars.
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I am home with a sick 6 month Baby. Some sort of Sore throat virus. But after fixing the wifes computer and I decide to log on to TheSwamp and see this :x
I can hear my user's now. I personaly like the Dashboard in 2008. everything that you need daily in a nice compact package. It is more sweet if you have two monitors IMO. Will have to see if I can slide the Ribbon over to the second monitor.
Have they done anything with the PDF plotting driver? 100% of my work is plotted to PDFs and 2008's PDF qualtity blows hard. I have to agree with Josh. If they want thier money they have to help us out with the final product (AKA white paper).
Will have to do some more reading. Have to go and check on the rugrat?
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Meh to the javascript on your site that throws up distracting and annoying dialogs, significantly detracting from reading the potentially interesting info. Guess I'll just mark it unsafe.
Meh to the distracting and annoying post, significantly detracting from reading the potentially interesting info. Guess I'll just chalk it up to ....... whatever.
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Meh to the javascript on your site that throws up distracting and annoying dialogs, significantly detracting from reading the potentially interesting info. Guess I'll just mark it unsafe.
Meh to the distracting and annoying post, significantly detracting from reading the potentially interesting info. Guess I'll just chalk it up to ....... whatever.
*thumbs up*
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Meh to the distracting and annoying post, significantly detracting from reading the potentially interesting info. Guess I'll just chalk it up to ....... whatever.
(http://www.theswamp.org/screens/mp/breakingup.png)
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*thumbs up*
(http://www.theswamp.org/screens/mp/big-thumb-down.png)
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Isn't that the "Snack Fairy"? He probably won't take it well.
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How many of us where in the Raptor Beta?
I was one of those tester that was excited when I saw the first few Photoshop UI mockups, then got more and more disappointed with each beta build.
Yes the ribbon can be turned off (actually closed), but it's probably no too good of an idea. Some new features have to have it on like the Action recorder.
I liked the dashboard too, so I'll be docking my ribbon in the vertical state. Then it's basically the dashboard++ You get some nice little tabs across the top, so it's like having multiple dashboard.
The look CUI is the same but now it has some more nodes, Ribbon Tabs, Ribbon Panels, Quick Properties, Rollover tooltips.
You can fully customize the ribbon in the CUI, but I think it's still buggy.
The Quick Prop's is cool, but I think it will annoy a lot of people. You select an object and a mini Properties panel pops up.
It's quicker then moving your mouse all the way over to one side of your screen, since it pops up right next to your mouse.
But they should of made it transparent, then turn solid when your mouse moves over it, like the MS Office Quick Prop's. & that's why I think it will be annoying to most people.
The nice thing is you can CUI the objects that show the Quick prop's & what prop's to show for each object type.
The rollover tooltips are also cool and can be CUI'ed just like the Quick Prop's. Basically you hover over an object & a tooltip pops up with that object prop's. No need to LIST anymore.
Overall I give 2009 a thumbs down. I don't think it will do very well when it ships & will be the next R13. Notice there hasn't been as much blog traffic on the day the NDA's where lifted as the last few years.....
Hmmm I wonder why.... But that's just my 2 cents, I hope they prove me wrong, since I'm normally an Autodesk fanboy :)
(you guys want more screen shots)
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Have they done anything with the PDF plotting driver? 100% of my work is plotted to PDFs and 2008's PDF qualtity blows hard. I have to agree with Josh. If they want thier money they have to help us out with the final product (AKA white paper).
No nothing new with the PDF driver :(
Stick with AcroPlot.
They thought you'd prefer having DGN7 export or DWFx (so that all your Vista users wouldn't have to download DR)
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you guys want more screen shots
Always!! :-)
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Since Mark asked for it. :)
Here's the Quick Properties & the Rollover Tooltips.
Note how you can CUI each object type & each property.
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Here's the Ribbon in it's 4 stats...
1. Full Ribbon
2. Min. to Panel Titles
3. Min. to Tabs
4. Docked as Vert. Dashboard (note you can have multiple panels expanded now, unlike the dashboard, Draw & Modify are expanded in this case)
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I may end up liking the Ribbon, but I seriously doubt it, since it's basically the antithesis of my current setup. I have one row of toolbars... LAYERS, LAYERS 2, PROPERTIES, STYLES... then a one button custom toolbar with my job setup on it... fits the width of my screen perfectly at 1920x1200. I don't even have the STANDARD toolbar on there anymore (File, New, Open, etc)
I keep 3 palettes perma-docked on the left... Tool Palettes, XREF Manager, Properties... and 2 perma-docked on the right Visual Styles and Design Center (Materials Dialog when I'm doing visualizations, but it's gone as soon as I'm done... don't use it often enough for perma-docking) I hardly ever use the right side though.
What I love about my setup is the absolutely expansive amount of CLEAR SPACE I have to work in. I think I'm going to LOVE the ability to have quick info at hover over an item... but I'm going to hate how obtrusive the quick properties window is. Maybe if it were transparent... but I use LIst a lot so I'm torn... it could keep my from having to LIst an item... *shrug*
It's just... almost insulting... to be given this dumbed-down tinker toy Fisher Price program after most of us have been using it for at least a decade, and even I, at a tender 24 years old, have been using it for 7 seriously, 9 if you count intro courses in high school. It's just... blah... there's so much that could be done that NEEDS done that hasn't been ADDRESSED for YEARS that PLAGUES many users... that such a release is mind boggling.
I wasn't around for the R13 release debacle as I wasn't community-active and just barely using (I think) R12 in high school then 2000i in college... but I can see where you'd make such a comparison, BazzaCAD... I'm severely apprehensive. I'm normally an Autodesk fanboy, too... I have embraced and exulted in the changes and additions normally, while venting only sporadically over troubles I personally have getting used to, or learning things. I've always been a lover of Autocad though. This one has me a little... peaved.
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Thanks Barry, certainly an eyeful!
:-o
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Looks interesting, but as Bazza said, sounds like an r13 version. Hopefully v2010 will be as much of a milestone as r14!
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Here's a vid. of the Menu Browser in action.
(note the colors are a little off in GIFF format)
A few nice things to note here are the Recent & Opened documents menu and being able to see a thumbnail previews for both of them.
Also the ability to PIN a dwg in the Recent list, so it wont drop off of it.
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And here's the Action Recorder in action.... :)
It's a little too basic IMO.
I wish it generated some type of code that could be edited in VBA or VLIDE, but no you can only edit it from the Ribbon.
I guess it will be good for new users with no programing skills.
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And here's some states bar stuff.
What I like: Workspaces are now built into the status bar.
What I dislike: The Quick View Layouts & Drawings. I still find it quicker to CTRL+TAB to switch btwn. dwg's and also find it easier to click on the layout tabs to switch layouts.
Luckily you can still turn the layout tabs back on, they're off by default. Oh and remember how happy you where when you could drag a layout tab to reorder them or Dbl. Clk. to rename it, sorry you lost these features with Quick View, so you'll have to turn the tabs on anyways.... I almost always work with one layout per plot sheet, so the only people I can see this benefiting is those who have a large number of layouts in there DWG's
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And last but not least for today, here's the Osnaps & other drafting setting in the status bar.
The nice thing here is being able to change these setting from the right-click menu, without having to go into the Drafting setting Dialog box.
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The nice thing here is being able to change these setting from the right-click menu, without having to go into the Drafting setting Dialog box.
You can already set those from a right click on the bottom status bar in 2008, this isn't a functional difference, just the visual, instead of it saying OSNAP now you get a glyph, big whoop.
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So they still poked the pooch on multiple drawing tabs...
and the current 2007 arx that works with 2008/MEP is likely broken?
Here is a quick question on reality, does audit actually catch and offer feedback for XREF errors?
Currently 2008 audit is junk, I have extended my 2007 subscription as a backup because it quite frankly caught things MEP/2008 could not even open!
The libraries on the second pass appear useless, they never catch anything and take forever to finish because there are massive holes in it.
Also I have files I can publish to DWF easily in 2007 that 2008 fatal crashes on and can find no errors using batch audit and purge routines.
I'm shuddering at the thought of another pig with lipstick for twice the ram of the current 2 GB.
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The nice thing here is being able to change these setting from the right-click menu, without having to go into the Drafting setting Dialog box.
You can already set those from a right click on the bottom status bar in 2008, this isn't a functional difference, just the visual, instead of it saying OSNAP now you get a glyph, big whoop.
Ummm no you can't, all you get in 2008 is ON/OFF (maybe one of the verticals can?)
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Try the multitab arx file with it. See if it still works.
I'm really curious because this is a no brainer if they really wanted to impress with the lipstick...
I like the osnap addition finally a shortcut, but how about turning toolbars on and off?
The old mnu/mns quick toolbar toggle is sorely missed.
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Oh and here's one more.
The CUI for the Ribbon.
It's a little more complicated now with all the Tabs, Panels, Sub-Panels, Rows, Fly-outs, Spacers, etc...
But at least you can customize it unlike the MS Office Ribbon.
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So it is the dashboard just replacing the menu pulldown in a wierd Vista type way.
How about tool palettes vs. AEC library palettes, did they separate them using the ribbon and can I manage them with the cui now?
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Try the multitab arx file with it. See if it still works.
I'm really curious because this is a no brainer if they really wanted to impress with the lipstick...
Runs fine, it's R17.2, so no file formate change & no need to recompile code.
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Thank you sir :kewl:
BTW, you watch any of that BSG stuff on Sci Fi?
Ever read about the Singularity?
http://mindstalk.net/vinge/vinge-sing.html
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How about tool palettes vs. AEC library palettes, did they separate them using the ribbon and can I manage them with the cui now?
No tool palettes are all pretty much the same. no CUI :(
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bummer, that means the atc files and export is disabled with MEP still.
Network management means blowing out my client users registry profile everytime I update a palette on the network share.
Or else doing a transparent delete and copy of a new shortcut onto the users desktop using the login.bat for the Active directory users.
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I like the osnap addition finally a shortcut, but how about turning toolbars on and off?
The old mnu/mns quick toolbar toggle is sorely missed.
Toolbars are all still there. Here's Raptor in it's "Classic" workspace (Ships with this workspace for everyone that doesn't want to try the new stuff)
Note the Ribbon is gone & the pull-down menus across the title bar are back.
Toolbars are now thinner when floating.
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Are you using Vista or the Zune desktop theme on XP?
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Are you using Vista or the Zune desktop theme on XP?
No this all runs & looks like this in standard XP, no special themes.
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Thanks for your detailed responses sir!
I truly appreciate your time and efforts to give us some feedback!
I realize this is an RC candidate.
But just looking at the interface changes it looks like they went for eye candy and unfamiliarity over fixing the open failures of 2008 still pending for me on the subscription center.
I don't need more resource hungry interfaces, I need libraries, managment tools, and algortihms fixed and I know I'm not alone in this.
Reference Manager needs to be a full implementation in the interface, or at least let me copy and paste paths and file names for quick fixes in pathing structures. Currently it just sits as dead space to haunt me with the added labor of writing around those failures.
Also currently Reference Manager crashes 80% of the time it really is necessary!
Hell even API updates that let me set all references to Attached or Overlay without trying to come up with some halfway hacked approach to do it.
The XREF management needs more refinement, the AEC libraries need a ton opf refinement for legacy 2005-2009 libraries to read properly.
Tables need fixed for block handling...
I got a huge list of major API flaws, and I doubt they are getting the attention they needed with so much attention on short eye candy sales hooplah.
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Thanks for your detailed responses sir!
I truly appreciate your time and efforts to give us some feedback!
You can say that again! :-)
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I see many updates to interface with new ribbon. Some nice some so not so nice.
What I would like to know did Autodesk do anything with the program to be able to take full advantage of the Dual and or Quad Core cpu's that most people are using these days? What about running on Windows xp64?
Thanks
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My first reaction when I saw the new interface was a real estate related scenario --
"Damn, we can't sell this house, it's just like all the others. It'll never move."
<Horshack>
"I know! I know!"
"Put up new drapes!"
Subtitle: Structurally speaking I'm guessing there's no great improvements, acknowledging my cynicism up front.
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Have they done anything with the PDF plotting driver? 100% of my work is plotted to PDFs and 2008's PDF qualtity blows hard. I have to agree with Josh. If they want thier money they have to help us out with the final product (AKA white paper).
No nothing new with the PDF driver :(
Stick with AcroPlot.
They thought you'd prefer having DGN7 export or DWFx (so that all your Vista users wouldn't have to download DR)
It has got nothing to do with me.
PDFs is what my clients want, PDFs is what the Code Enforcement want. PDFs is what the contractors want. and others firms that I have talk to have seen an increase with usage of Pdfs. MY fancy new scanners scans to PDFs, PDFs to the world are what DWGs are to the CAD world.
The project that I am working on has crews coming in from all over the U.S. and Canada to work it. My PDFs are going to head offices in New York, Texas, Canada (it is all one big state :evil:) and Washington State and then back to the crews here Portland Maine.
It is Ironic that Autodesk has not learn from itself being king of the hill. I have hard time with AcroPlot becuase of managing of third party apps.
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I'm convinced that Autodesk does not have enough "field" or "real world experienced" programmers/testers/advisors... all their upgrades, changes, revisions, additions have absolutely nothing to do with actually creating documents better, but rather is all about improving what stays in the office. It's all about visualization, drawing it faster/better, or the UI... it's all the stuff that stays IN the computer!
I should NOT have to make an INACCURATE or BOTCHED model, to FOOL Autocad into displaying it correctly upon plot. I should be able to have my structural model drawn ACCURATELY, with all appropriate shapes, features, hardware, etc, to be able to see clearances, fits, etc, and then a HIDDEN view should be HIDDEN! NOT showing a hundred tangential lines that NO drafter would ever CONSIDER showing! Who draws the extents of a fillet?! NO ONE!! That's DRAFTING-FREAKING-101, people!! I learned that when I was 15 freakin' years old!!! So if I am showing a rounded plate in profile, rather than plan, I have to make sure that it's SQUARE, for example, to ensure no unneeded lines are displayed.
I have to create an IMPROPER MODEL that is -WRONG- just to make sure the printout is RIGHT! THAT'S DISGUSTING!
And it's been like this as long as I can remember and still remains. Their new Visual Styles are EVEN WORSE! They ignore all STB/CTB settings, COMPLETELY!! WHAT THE #*$( IS THAT ALL ABOUT!?>!?>!??!
grrrr
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I'm sorry, that was a rather one sided vent... I should really offer the benefits of their 'features'
...it looks purdy on screen... sometimes... :roll:
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I should NOT have to make an INACCURATE or BOTCHED model, to FOOL Autocad into displaying it correctly upon plot. I should be able to have my structural model drawn ACCURATELY, with all appropriate shapes, features, hardware, etc, to be able to see clearances, fits, etc, and...
Maybe you should look into ProE.
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That's one major platform I've not had any experience with. I doubt it'll work well in an AEC/structural/civil environment, though. Seems that ProE is more of a mechanical/machine design tool? Not sure... just know that is where I see it more commonly mentioned.
Besides, Autocad is awesome, and no software will EVER be 100% satisfactory when a user gets as intimately acquainted with it as most of us are with our products. This is just one of the big ones that ticks me off.
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Yes ProE is more mechanically oriented, but I was just making a point. There are some extremely good modeling apps out there, and ProE is one of them. You don't have to trick it to show the model properly.
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I'm shuddering at the thought of another pig with lipstick for twice the ram of the current 2 GB.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
So true
:-D
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I have hard time with AcroPlot becuase of managing of third party apps.
Do you mean the 3rd. party apps. are keeping AcroPlot from running properly?
I know what you mean. When AcroPlot launches it starts up in the last profile Acad was in.
So what we do is create a .bat file that launches Acad with a non production profile with the apps. unloaded & a script to exit Acad.
Then it launches AcroPlot after that, so AcroPlot uses the new profile.
Then a short-cut to the .bat file is placed on everyones desktop.
It looks something like this:
BAT
"C:\Program Files\AutoCAD 2008\acad.exe" /p "\\server\path\AcroPlot.arg" /b "\\server\path\quit.scr"
"C:\Program Files\AcroPlot\AcroPlot.exe"
SCR
quit y
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I see many updates to interface with new ribbon. Some nice some so not so nice.
What I would like to know did Autodesk do anything with the program to be able to take full advantage of the Dual and or Quad Core cpu's that most people are using these days? What about running on Windows xp64?
Thanks
Now that is the million dollar question.
Default shaders, rendering engines, XREF analysis & management, Audits, anything AutoCAD should really start to have some life with more floating points in everything!
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I have hard time with AcroPlot becuase of managing of third party apps.
Do you mean the 3rd. party apps. are keeping AcroPlot from running properly?
I know what you mean. When AcroPlot launches it starts up in the last profile Acad was in.
So what we do is create a .bat file that launches Acad with a non production profile with the apps. unloaded & a script to exit Acad.
Then it launches AcroPlot after that, so AcroPlot uses the new profile.
Then a short-cut to the .bat file is placed on everyones desktop.
It looks something like this:
BAT
"C:\Program Files\AutoCAD 2008\acad.exe" /p "\\server\path\AcroPlot.arg" /b "\\server\path\quit.scr"
"C:\Program Files\AcroPlot\AcroPlot.exe"
SCR
quit y
Baza, I have to seriously try that, MEP is such a pig, if I can make a default ACAD profile that can still handle all the AEC garbage and load quicker, I am all for it.
What really gets on my nerves is that PDF structuring is so haphazard lately.
We need 2-3 platforms to plot them from at times....
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Is there any ability in 2009 to migrate tool pallettes in directly without having to import each and every tool pallete?
For me this is an extremely painful task with the sheer number of pallettes I have created.
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You have always been able to do this, at least from 2006->7 and 2007->8.
Just set the path to your toolpalettes in Options. No "importing" or "migration" needed.
You just can't go backwards or share with older versions.
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Baza, I have to seriously try that, MEP is such a pig, if I can make a default ACAD profile that can still handle all the AEC garbage and load quicker, I am all for it.
Good luck with that!! IF you figure something out, let me know!
Uggghhh....
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:realmad: :ugly: :lmao:
Enough to test ones sanity it is...
I'm just trying to get a handle on what you are seeing there Matt.
Did you build a new profile (*.arg) file specific to Acroplot?
Meaning setup a workspace on initial load out, do not load ABS.cui, nor any of those other *.cui's?
Just the ACAD.cui & Acroplot.cui.
Then shortcut point at said profile?
I'm out of the office today to begin testing it and my g/f is harrassing me but I had started this until production demanded all of my attention a few months ago.
I am possibly being naive in beleiving object enablers are present without the cui's?
Could you give me an http link to download a test file that is causing your loadup like that?
I can build the cui's and profile for you to try once I have a test file.
or you could email it under 5MB to kewltoyz@hotmail.com or kewltoyz@yahoo.com
I have my own domains and web servers setup but I have yet to make the time to build my dotnetnuke site for handling this stuff in an easier format. www.kewltoyz.com, .net, .org
oh and one more thing, make sure you have the profile pointing to your plotters, drv, & plot styles folders normally used by your company standards.
Other than that everything can be a very small limited support folder for your bare minimum needs to run acroplot.
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I wish Autocad's next addition to the user interface is a mind reader.
dim command pick point
ah carp wrong layer.
escape, change layers
dim command pick point, pick next point
ah double carp, wrong dim style.
escape change dim style.
dim command pick point, pick next point, pick point.
I don't think it is too much to ask. I am only sitting 3 feet away from the software.
Maybe I should go over and stir up AUGI with this "wish". :wink:
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You could fix the layer thing with some VBA.
Rub a little VBA on it, and VOILA!
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I wish Autocad's next addition to the user interface is a mind reader...
I'd probably get fired for all sorts of things if CAD read my mind! :)
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vortical,
here is an easy way to import multiple palettes at once:
open explorer to the folder that contains all of your palettes.
turn off autohide for your palettes
right click the blue bar and select customize
while the customize dialogue box is open maximize explorer then drag your xtp files into your palette.
this will import all of your palette to the current palette
just regroup if you have groups and you're done
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I wish Autocad's next addition to the user interface is a mind reader...
I'd probably get fired for all sorts of things if CAD read my mind! :)
Add that speak or sayit.lsp file with a few choice words :lmao:
"Not my fault, its AutoCAD saying those things...."
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Maybe I should go over and stir up AUGI with this "wish". :wink:
You want to STIR them up at AUGI? Ask them why they banned me and when they will end it?
That will get them in a stir for sure!
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They really need better libraries in the main tools for error catching in XREF's.
#1 cause for multiple crashes per day are XREF failures.
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Question for you '09 users. Can you 'copy' cell data from a table in AutoCAD and 'paste' it into Excel?
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Question for you '09 users. Can you 'copy' cell data from a table in AutoCAD and 'paste' it into Excel?
One cell at a time, yes.
I don't see any way to take an existing table and create a data link from it.
However you can still export the AutoCAD table to a CSV, of course you lose the formatting.
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Baza, I have to seriously try that, MEP is such a pig, if I can make a default ACAD profile that can still handle all the AEC garbage and load quicker, I am all for it.
Good luck with that!! IF you figure something out, let me know!
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MSpace & PSpace LTScale Varaibles set to 0!! Defaults to LTSCALE settings now!
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*Cancel*
Enter new value for MSLTSCALE <1>:
Command:
I can trim it down further but I was just using some extra functionality to run it as AutoCAD 2008.
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Here we go:
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Regenerating model.
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AutoCAD Express Tools Copyright © 2002-2004 Autodesk, Inc.
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Command: COMMANDLINE
Unzip this to the root of the C: drive.
Use the PDF-Mini shortcut inside the _KTA MEP folder.
It should load Acroplot menus and toolbars with a small AutoCAD cui.
From there you can run Acroplot fairly quickly.
You will have to update the plot styles and plotters folders with your own stuff as well as your fonts etc...
Have you downloaded the most current version of Acroplot?
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vortical,
here is an easy way to import multiple palettes at once:
open explorer to the folder that contains all of your palettes.
turn off autohide for your palettes
right click the blue bar and select customize
while the customize dialogue box is open maximize explorer then drag your xtp files into your palette.
this will import all of your palette to the current palette
just regroup if you have groups and you're done
Thanks for that, It really sped up the process and save me a lot of time.
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2009 is really unreliable though
Sometimes it gets Fatal errors when opening drawings which is a bit weird, then when I try again it works, go figure?
It crashes at least once a day
New Find & Replace tool is extremely slow
I'm finding a lot of the time it freezes and continues a second or two later.
Slow to load Layers Dialogue box, Ribbon XREF & Pallettes Windows
Anyone experience any of my issues with 2009?
2008 has no such problems?
System Details
Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit
E6850 Dual Core CPU
2GB DDR2 800 RAM
500GB SATA2 HDD
Nvidia 8600 GTX 256MB Video Card
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Yea, I experience the same slowness and lagginess on 2009.
However, I have only had it crash three times in the three weeks or so I've been using it, and I consider than an Olympic level world record for Autocad, as far as I'm concerned. Of course, I've been doing some pretty basic and simple work.
I haven't had used Find/Replace, but there has been a lot of talk about it on the adesk boards.
No fatal errors either.
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My general assessment is most things are slower compared to 2008. We're getting a little "Vista-eee". :-D
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This text below is from CADzette vol V issue 49:
AutoCAD 2009 Joins the Slow Movement
If you read the features section in your local newspaper, you are familiar with the slow food movement - which espouses slowing down and enjoying home-cooked meals created with local products and the slow travel movement which asks you to throw away your maps and itineraries and invites you to just wander aimlessly in foreign countries (I don't personally recommend this...I have a tendency to wander into unmarked military bases and getting escorted back to the main street by an armed soldier is a little embarrassing.)
With the 2009 release of AutoCAD, Autodesk introduces Slow CAD. Press the Properties tool, then take a deep breath, inhale, exhale, release, the dialog appears. Press the Layer Managers tool, do a sloooow stretch to alleviate any back stiffness, the Layer dialog will appear.
If you are expecting dialogs to pop up instantly the way they used to in prior releases, you may get annoyed...several times I checked to see if AutoCAD was frozen, but no...it just wanted me to enter into a more relaxed, meditative statement. A little patience goes a long way.
I have to think the new GUI is just extremely memory-intensive, because every time you ask for anything, there is a short pause...kind of like when you ask the waiter if the soup d'jour is from a can or made from fresh ingredients.
You do get used to it. You develop a slower, more relaxed way of CAD...much less stressful, I am sure. I really wish AutoCAD would give users the option of Fast CAD or Slow CAD, because let's face it...we all crave a fast food burger now and then.
For now, practice your deep breathing ....
You can subscribe @ mossdesigns.com
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:-D
:realmad:
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Here's something. I normally don't use Publish because I abhor it. I usually print each plot manually. It's about as fast, and if I have a lot, I just create a little something to paste to the command line using the -plot command, and I go as fast, if not faster, than publish.
I gave publish a try, though, since it's a new release and all.
It didn't even work :-D
It says it worked. It went through all the motions like it worked. It said it was successful and no errors occurred. Yet when watching my printer queue, nothing was sent to it.
If I use plot, rather than publish, it works like always.
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Maybe the "Plot To File" box was checked.
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Maybe the "Plot To File" box was checked.
Checking.
Actually uh.. where WOULD I check for that?
Attached is SS of publish and any windows that can pop up (relevant or otherwise)
I'll admit I'm pretty unfamiliar with publish on an intricate level. So I may be at fault... I'm not blaming Autodesk on THIS one. (yet)
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Are you trying to publish to a physical plotter, or something more along the lines of a pdf or dwf?
I have always had mixed results publishing to a physical plotter, as it always seems to skip random sheets. Mind you, that I'm stuck on ADT 05 so things may have changed since. When it comes to making electronic prints, however, I couldn't live w/o publish.
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Physical plotter.
I had the problem with it skipping sheets to. A more confusing problem is that I had problems with it printing SOME sheets upside down, and others not...even if they were all layouts of the same file, all copied from same template, etc... always thought that one was humorous.
But yea, physical plotter. Just some 'fit to page' 11x17s for in-house review.
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Judging from that screen shot, it looks as if everything is set right, but I don't have 09' so I can't say one way or the other.
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I'll get back to it later... I need to get some preliminary renders of a soundwall out this afternoon, so I need to switch to that project.
(time to test some 3d stuff in 09)
Has anyone that reads up on 3D stuff... do you know how we could possibly use the new procedural material type (gradient ramp) in a practical manner in Autocad?
I'm not sure I know how to use it for any practical purpose in Autocad, so I'm curious.
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I'm not sure I know how to use it for any practical purpose in Autocad, so I'm curious.
You want the new tools to work, and have a practical purpose too? :lmao:
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I'm not sure I know how to use it for any practical purpose in Autocad, so I'm curious.
You want the new tools to work, and have a practical purpose too? :lmao:
I guess I said practical, but what I was meaning was more along the lines of: How do I use this tool as it's INTENDED to be used?
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I found my imported page setups needed driver tweaks to get working again from 08 to 09 with publish.
Yes I use publish all of the time.
Runs of 50-100 dwg's are pretty much a common plot set for us.
So far the tests I did Friday worked, but I have a battery of tests with my routines and utils to do yet.
Plus I'm in process of updating each of our discipline specific network shared tool palettes.
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I found my imported page setups needed driver tweaks
What does that mean?
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I use a main file location for all page setups shared between all offices.
24x36.dwg
30x42.dwg
etc...
I have 5 National offices with separate servers on the same domain and separate plotters.
With the nature of AutoCAD since 2007 publish checks the network path of every page setup in every drawing as it loads, even if they repeat. So all I save in a drawing are a plot to file full and half size.
The plotters themselves are kept in these centralized files to be imported when publishing.
:lol:
The drivers themselves just needed me to go through and update them from 2009 to their corresponding driver locations, pmp files, etc.... Now they seem to be appearing and plotting with proper page alignment.
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AutoCAD MEP 2009 SP1 finally!!!
Seems quite a few bugs fixed. :kewl:
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Yea, I experience the same slowness and lagginess on 2009.
I know this is an old post, but it was the closest thing I could find to what I'm experiencing.
2009 seems to lag on user input. For a simple example, I enter "L" at the command line and hit the spacebar. The line command USED to begin instantaneously. Now, there is about a half second lag time before the command begins.
It's like there's a chain of command going on inside my computer. One guy sits at the command line and waits for something to be entered. Once he sees "L -> Enter" come in, he yells down to the PGP guys, "Hey, what have you got in there under "L"?" *waits* "Line? Okay" Then he yells up to the command processor guys, "Hey, I need LINE out here!" and they all repeat the command as they get to work, "LINE...Specify first point".
Ok, enough of that drivel. Anyone else experience THIS type of lag? Is there something causing it? Is there a way to avoid it?
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I've seen reports of it numerous times, but sadly it was always responded to with "try not leaving the layer palette open, or even docked and hid... close it" or similar sentiments.
If that's not your case, I can't help ya.
However, you'd installed the service pack right? I'm sorry... UPDATE 1... whatever they want to call it.
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I have a relatively fast box, so I don't notice any lag time. I just tried exactly what you said, and LINE came up instantaneously.
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That was actually, IT, Josh. Now that I've got this fancy new PC with dual monitors, I was trying to take advantage of some of the extra real estate with the Properties, Command Line and Layer windows. When I 'minimized' them, the lag was reduced significantly.
Thanks
...But, that sucks!
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I have a relatively fast box, so I don't notice any lag time. I just tried exactly what you said, and LINE came up instantaneously.
I do too, but here we are.
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That was actually, IT, Josh. Now that I've got this fancy new PC with dual monitors, I was trying to take advantage of some of the extra real estate with the Properties, Command Line and Layer windows. When I 'minimized' them, the lag was reduced significantly.
Thanks
FWIW, I couldn't stand having a docked layer toolbar... it's proportions of functionality are not suitable to a vertically docked bar... the layer bar is way to wide, when I use it (even with some fields of layer properties turned off) to make it economical to dock it... I use it like I used the old one... hit "layer" do my jazz, close it.
It's just that now the changes are real-time, and I have to hit the close box, rather than hit 'ok'
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I only kept the layer window open for a bit. It's gone now. I don't really like it. For now, I only keep the Properties and Command window open.
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...do my jazz...
*pictures Josh doing "jazz hands"*
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...do my jazz...
*pictures Josh doing "jazz hands"*
*spirit fingers*
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I only kept the layer window open for a bit. It's gone now. I don't really like it. For now, I only keep the Properties and Command window open.
M-DUB, I found it necessary to run a Repair on MEP 2009 on a few machines from time to time experiencing the details of this sort of command lag.
I love the layer palette, but I'm on dual screen workstations. I run an extremely high resolution though around 1600x1200 on both screens.
I don't have any difficulty with the layer manager viewing as a flyout palette.
The Layer palette doesn't lag normal commands when docked and hidden with 780 layers in a drawing for me on a slower machine than yours.
I do have a 512 MB NVIDIA 7300 GT video card installed but its a bargain basement $50 gamers card. I'm only running 2 GB of ram.
I found turning off quik properties helps performance immensely as well as disabling any ribbon garbage.
The ribbon consumes 3 times the resources and does exactly the same thing a menu, palette, or toolbar can accomplish.
I have found that MEP 2009 ran with the acad.cui instead of the MEP.cui is much faster of course and is the only way the layer manager is available as a palette. But you lose the select similiar command on the right click menu. Also MEP 2009 seems to be more stable and perform better than MEP 2008 since the service pack. And finally, Reference Manager 2009 is hands down way better than 2008's.
Drawing TrueView 2009 is much more awesome as well. Both are improvements in stability and AEC library translations.
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Thanks, I had turned the ribbon off. It does look nice and pretty but, is quite unnecessary. It is like a pretty version of the old screen menu, but in a different location.
I found that the more pallettes I had visible on the screen, the longer the lag time was. When I turned them all off, there was no lag. I've just got the Properties window docked and with auto-hide turned on now and it's not too bad at all.
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I went very quickly back to the menu system I was used to in 2008. I docked the main properties dialogue....but I found the short quick properties dialogue does everything I need......and I'm happy now.
You can add features you want to the short quick properties dialogue.
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Oh yeah it is useful, but I found I couldn't make it larger to see complete names.
It only lags when first loading it up after that its quick as heck.
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only slightly surprising... I don't miss menus at all.
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I love the pop out menu on the A too.
The search works great for those seldom used commands if the naming conventions are reasonable.
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Does anyone else have a recurring problem with AutoCAD crashing when opening drawings?
I HAVE sent in error reports and they suggest I install SP2 (or whatever), but I have already done that.
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Does anyone else have a recurring problem with AutoCAD crashing when opening drawings?
I HAVE sent in error reports and they suggest I install SP2 (or whatever), but I have already done that.
of course we do; in C3D one comes to expect a crash at any instant!
you have a problem with that?
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LOL
Nope. 'Cause I ain't got C3D!
I'm just glad that I haven't lost any work yet. I don't know how it's worked out that way, but it has. Maybe Murphy's on vacation?
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Does anyone else have a recurring problem with AutoCAD crashing when opening drawings?
I HAVE sent in error reports and they suggest I install SP2 (or whatever), but I have already done that.
Certain drawings or all drawings?
If certain drawings, anything in common?
Mine crashes every time I shut it down. Luckily I'm not doing production with it and crashing at shutdown isn't too bad...
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Does anyone else have a recurring problem with AutoCAD crashing when opening drawings?
I HAVE sent in error reports and they suggest I install SP2 (or whatever), but I have already done that.
Certain drawings or all drawings?
If certain drawings, anything in common?
It's (seemingly) random. There doesn't seem to be anything in common. Some might have an image attached, some won't. Some have blocks, some don't. It only happens about once every couple of days, but it happens at the exact same time, each time it happens.
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Just out of curiosity, have you ran a repair on the AutoCAD 2009 installation?
Have you tried disabling the Communications Center?
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Ok, this crash business is really starting to aggravate me. I've sent in the error reports and they're no help. Googled around a bit, to no avail.
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I haven't had a crash for 2009 in a long, long time... like a whole day !... nah jk, it's been many WEEKS since I had a fatal error, probably... the worst I've gotten is a -freeze- sometimes, when handling decently large 3d models with many also large xref'd models. Even then it's only been once a week maybe, and only after I'd left Autocad open for a couple days, probably :P
My only gripes now are actually how certain things function (or fail to)
Sorry I can't help.
Is it a random occurrence?
You could always file a subscription center ticket and get some tech-jockey-know-nothing to tell you that he doesn't know why, either :P
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I'm about to start counting how many drawings I can open sucessfully between crashes. And that's what causes the crash... opening files. That's the ONLY thing that has caused a crash for me.
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jot down what file it crashes on, when trying to open... just see if there's -any- common thread (a common xref or anything) between them...
first thing those techs will do is say "sorry, can't reproduce it, tough luck" so the more you can give them to focus in on it, the better.
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Thanks for the tip... But from what I've experienced so far, there IS no common thread. It hasn't crashed on the same drawing twice (AFAIK) and there aren't any Xref's involved... there might be images attached (I suppose that is an xref, but not really) ...
Anyway, I'm going to start tracking it myself. We'll see how it goes.
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PURGE, AUDIT, PURGE AGAIN, AUDIT AGAIN, TUCK-YOU-HEAD-BETWEEN-YOUR-KNEES-AND-KISS-YOU-BUTT-GOODBYE, RECOVER, RECOVERALL, EXPORT
Anything you can do to clean the files certainly won't hurt.
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First of all, I must say that it's uncanny how I haven't yet lost any work! I suppose the nature of the crash has a lot to do with it because I often close one drawing before I open the next.
Secondly, I know for a fact that a few of the drawings have only consisted of one entity, on layer 0... an image file (.gp4).
Still, not bad advice...
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http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=1073231 *grin*
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I have a file here, well I HAD a file here a few minutes ago;
just about ready to test the latest set up for rendering.
Close the file, try to reopen it, Fatal Error....
Right up until I start adding the materials I want to use; everything seems fine.
It has crashed so often I can now reassemble the work from pieces in under 5 minutes...
however that doesn't get the render I was after done anytime sooner.... :pissed:
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i had a huge amount of troubles with materials and rendering... but SP1 fixed most of it, and I dont recall for sure, but I seem to remember a relevant hotfix too.... not sure.
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installed said patch, and patchlet no changes...
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there's an SP2?
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No, it's "Version 2". That's this year's Autodesk-speak for "Service Pack 1", and you have to install "Update 1" to get it.
You know, typical Autodesk naming schemes. :ugly:
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there is the Open close save hotfix one MUST apply after the SP1 is installed or be plagued with the Open Save Crash demon.
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I'm just bouncing up and down in my rubber pajamas for the file change in 2010 :lmao: :ugly: :pissed:
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There is now an Update 2, example filename autocad2009lockedsp2.exe, which will change your AutoCAD 2009 (Release 23, ACADVER "17.2s (LMS Tech)") to Product service pack value "Version 3", which would have previously been "0" with no updates applied or "Version 2" with either Update 1 or Subscription Bonus Pack 1 applied.
It's obvious really, I don't understand how anybody could be confused by that.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=11899352&linkID=9240618
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Boy, those colors are really difficult to read with some themes.
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I have installed all of the bonus packs, service packs etc. and ... nuthin' doin'.
Just going to keep track of the drawings it crashes on and go from there.
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I may have found a partial solution: http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=11294295&linkID=9240698 (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=11294295&linkID=9240698)
While rendering drawings with textured objects, AutoCAD® 2009-based products may run out of system memory and crash. This hotfix allows you to render some of these drawings.
However reading it carefully, I see that I may have just installed something, that may actually do nothing other than make me feel like I did something.
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Yea, so don't ever brag about AutoCAD uptime or crashless time. About a half hour after I made that post, Autocad threw a fatal error up and I lost around 15 minutes of work. Sometimes when I'm going through and doing a lot of modeling, I get in the zone and forget to save as often... and of course AutoCAD knows this and took advantage... biding it's time... waiting... for just the right moment...
So I cuss'd, threw my hands in the air, and declared the work day over, and went out for beer.
However reading it carefully, I see that I may have just installed something, that may actually do nothing other than make me feel like I did something.
I saw that one, and didn't install it for just that reason.
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I do not yet know, if this issue is 'solved' I think it wight have to do with some of the units settings applied to a couple of the stock material swatches in C3D. The drawing is now at render, and did not crash. Two materials were left off, this is mostly a timing and camera path test run.
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OK, from all experiments, I have determined that the instant I add either the site work materials, Bermuda grass, or concrete with aggregate course, save and reopen the file it goes fatal error on me.
Good news bad news, or bad news good news one can render the file ONCE and then it goes fatal. Proper planning with a recent back up limits the lost efforts to only a few minutes.....
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SP2 Related install erro:
I get it for every single workstation I installed it on so far.
Error Code 3010
Known Issues with This Update
· After installing this update you may receive a "Error Code: 3010" message incorrectly claiming that the update failed. You can verify this by viewing installed updates through the Windows control panel.
· After you apply this update, you may experience the following ribbon customization-related problems:
1. An Incorrect or Missing Ribbon Tab
Known Issue: When you display a ribbon tab from a partial or Enterprise CUI file, on the ribbon, the ribbon tab displays incorrectly or is missing.
Workaround: To correctly display a ribbon tab, recreate the workspace used to display the ribbon tab from scratch. Do not duplicate or attempt to update the workspace. Once you create a new workspace, set the workspace current. The ribbon tab should display correctly.
For a partial CUI file, before you add a ribbon tab to a workspace, use the Customize User Interface (CUI) Editor to change the customization group name of the file. The customization group name is represented by the uppermost node of the tree in the Customization In pane.
2. A Blank Image for a Command
Known Issue: On a ribbon panel, the image associated with a command defined in the Command List pane displays as a blank icon.
Workaround: To recreate a ribbon command item on a ribbon panel, delete it. Then, from the Command List pane, add the command to the ribbon panel.
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Just going to keep track of the drawings it crashes on and go from there.
So far, attached images seem to be the common factor which leads me to believe this COULD be a Raster Design error, not an AutoCAD error. Regardless, it's Autodesk's problem.
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Just going to keep track of the drawings it crashes on and go from there.
it's Autodesk's problem.
I usually start with that assumption before blaming myself, too! :-D
(glad you're making headway on narrowing it down.)
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What has also been a major plague is the use of Excel files between offices.
The pathing always uses the UNC server name instead of mapped drives.
Can be a real pain when a guy in Florida tries to open a file made in Tennessee.
Autodesk says its a Microsoft problem.
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Has anyone had any problem with plotting and disappearing information such as dimensions. I am being told that it this randomly happening to both plotting and pdfing. I don't have a lot of information becuase I was asked by one of our sub-contractors. It is is their house. This happening on full versions not on LT.
All the information that I have to go on. Just thought I would ask here.
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Has anyone had any problem with plotting and disappearing information such as dimensions. I am being told that it this randomly happening to both plotting and pdfing. I don't have a lot of information becuase I was asked by one of our sub-contractors. It is is their house. This happening on full versions not on LT.
All the information that I have to go on. Just thought I would ask here.
Are Annotative Dimstyles involved?
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I have found -ExportToAutoCAD an important tool.
Annotative Styles/Scales and AEC content just haven't been productive enough to validate adoption for us.
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Wow, we use Annotative stuff a lot. Different strokes, I guess...
If Annotative stuff is involved, I suspect user error. There are some... "quirks" to working with Annotative stuff that users must get used to. After that, they work rather well for many things. They have some problems, too, like practically everything in Autocad, but we like them.
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Has anyone tried out the "AutoCAD 2009 Subscription Bonus Pack 2 — PDF Enhancements" ?
I'm trying to figure out what true "enhancements" were made.
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Has anyone tried out the "AutoCAD 2009 Subscription Bonus Pack 2 — PDF Enhancements" ?
I'm trying to figure out what true "enhancements" were made.
There is much improved and also a lot new stuff added. Look at 'Read This First' on the download site.
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I presume this is another "for Vanilla users only" "Bonus" pack?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thougth every vertical comes with a vanilla version.
In that case you can install them side by side and use the vanilla version for the bonus packs.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thougth every vertical comes with a vanilla version.
In that case you can install them side by side and use the vanilla version for the bonus packs.
You're a funny guy. :-D
That's sounds like a typical Autodesk solution: "Just don't use the program you need to use for your everyday work, and the bonus pack works fine."
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You're a funny guy. :-D
I am: There is another option.... First take four months vacation.
By the time you return Civil3D-2010 will be there. I'm sure it's part of the core software by than.