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Title: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: KewlToyZ on August 30, 2007, 12:46:10 PM
I bought a few, but they are extremely advanced concepts using their own compiled libraries.
Also the disks were missing containing the files, the websites, & base structures they reference are no longer available to even begin to follow through them anymore. I bought them used because I had so much trouble finding current ones available as well.

Looking for something to build my foundations better.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: deegeecees on August 30, 2007, 12:55:27 PM
Afralisp has some good tutorials, if you care to go that route.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: LE on August 30, 2007, 12:57:08 PM
Look here - to me the best of the best authors:

http://www.private.peterlink.ru/poleshchuk/cad/eng.html

or

http://personales.unican.es/togoresr/index.html


try to learn C# instead or any other like C++/ARX
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: deegeecees on August 30, 2007, 12:59:30 PM
My first book on AutoLisp was by George O. Head, not just cuz the name cracks me up, but he truly put out some good material. This was a long time ago and I have since misplaced/forgotten the books and titles. Google.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: KewlToyZ on August 30, 2007, 01:03:53 PM
Look here - to me the best of the best authors:

http://www.private.peterlink.ru/poleshchuk/cad/eng.html

or

http://personales.unican.es/togoresr/index.html


try to learn C# instead or any other like C++/ARX

I have some intermediate experience with C# & VB using Visual Studio & SQL but when I tried to find any books bridging them to AutoCAD I got cricket sounds. This was a year ago though.
If you know of any availalbe lately I would love to try that route.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: CmdrDuh on August 30, 2007, 01:04:42 PM
There is a VB.Net book out for Autocad by Jerry Winters (http://www.amazon.com/VB-NET-Programming-AutoCAD-Customization-Level/dp/1892131102/ref=sr_1_3/103-4360380-5571001?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188493560&sr=8-3) that just came out.  It should give you what you need
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: John Kaul (Se7en) on August 30, 2007, 01:06:39 PM
By far the best ive ever read. [ http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html ]
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: Guest on August 30, 2007, 01:28:29 PM
By far the best ive ever read. [ http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html ]

And if you don't like reading online, click here for a PDF (http://deptinfo.unice.fr/~roy/sicp.pdf).
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: rkmcswain on August 30, 2007, 02:12:51 PM
There is a VB.Net book out for Autocad by Jerry Winters (http://www.amazon.com/VB-NET-Programming-AutoCAD-Customization-Level/dp/1892131102/ref=sr_1_3/103-4360380-5571001?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188493560&sr=8-3) that just came out.  It should give you what you need

No autolisp in there though...
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: rkmcswain on August 30, 2007, 02:14:01 PM
Visual Lisp Bible

http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=452839
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: Crank on August 30, 2007, 02:58:06 PM
This (http://www.autolisp-tutorial.mapcar.net/) is a German tutorial.
It's very good written: It's not only an explanation of functions, but the writer is really teaching and he has humor.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: DEVITG on August 30, 2007, 04:58:17 PM
It was and is My first Lisp Book.

http://ronleigh.info/autolisp/index.htm


Just for  beginner.   
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: CADchup on August 30, 2007, 05:45:36 PM
Crank,

sadly, the author of this site passed away to early. The german-speaking AutoCAD and -LISP community still feels a great sadness about this.
But from all I know his site will be kept online as long as possible.

A compilation of his AutoLISP and VisualLISP sites, edited and completed by some fellows was published as a book a few weeks ago here (http://www.hanser.de/buch.asp?isbn=978-3-446-41217-0&area=Computer)

Yes, I know, it's my post and it's advertising. Sorry about that. But it was just to round off crank's post.

Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: Mark on August 30, 2007, 06:24:42 PM
Yes, I know, it's my post and it's advertising. Sorry about that. But it was just to round off crank's post.

Funny I didn't see it as advertising at all.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: CADaver on August 30, 2007, 06:31:25 PM
Yes, I know, it's my post and it's advertising. Sorry about that. But it was just to round off crank's post.

Funny I didn't see it as advertising at all.

I just want it in English......
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: FengK on August 30, 2007, 06:55:34 PM
My first book on AutoLisp was by George O. Head, not just cuz the name cracks me up, but he truly put out some good material. This was a long time ago and I have since misplaced/forgotten the books and titles. Google.

was it "AutoLisp in Plain English"?
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: deegeecees on August 30, 2007, 08:36:20 PM
My first book on AutoLisp was by George O. Head, not just cuz the name cracks me up, but he truly put out some good material. This was a long time ago and I have since misplaced/forgotten the books and titles. Google.

was it "AutoLisp in Plain English"?

Yup. Thats the the one!
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: FengK on August 31, 2007, 03:28:10 AM
Yup. Thats the the one!

ah, that was my first book as well.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: TimSpangler on August 31, 2007, 07:13:49 AM
AutoLISP Programming - Principles and Techniques : Rod Rawls / Mark Hagan

One of the best I've come across

AfraLISP is a great online reasource as well.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: Guest on August 31, 2007, 08:17:25 AM
Yup. Thats the the one!

ah, that was my first book as well.

It's on my bookshelf right behind me!  Good, easy to read book for beginners.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: deegeecees on August 31, 2007, 09:21:56 AM
Yup. Thats the the one!

ah, that was my first book as well.

It's on my bookshelf right behind me!  Good, easy to read book for beginners.

Not sure how many reprints were done, but I bought that book back in 92'. I'm pretty sure it was the stone tablet version.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: Mark on August 31, 2007, 01:47:17 PM
AutoLISP Programming - Principles and Techniques : Rod Rawls / Mark Hagan

That's the one I used as well. A well written book with many examples and tests in each chapter.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: LE on August 31, 2007, 02:12:24 PM
This never fails.... try it
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: KewlToyZ on August 31, 2007, 02:29:31 PM
Here ya go CADaver
Translated by google:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autolisp-tutorial.mapcar.net%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autolisp-tutorial.mapcar.net%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autolisp-tutorial.mapcar.net%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autolisp-tutorial.mapcar.net%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autolisp-tutorial.mapcar.net%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autolisp-tutorial.mapcar.net%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autolisp-tutorial.mapcar.net%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autolisp-tutorial.mapcar.net%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hanser.de%2Fbuch.asp%3Fisbn%3D978-3-446-41217-0%26area%3DComputer&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hanser.de%2Fbuch.asp%3Fisbn%3D978-3-446-41217-0%26area%3DComputer&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hanser.de%2Fbuch.asp%3Fisbn%3D978-3-446-41217-0%26area%3DComputer&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hanser.de%2Fbuch.asp%3Fisbn%3D978-3-446-41217-0%26area%3DComputer&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)

Funny when the masculine and feminine objectivity of other languages become involved in an english translation.

Thanks to all for the links and advice. I always tried to start with a few books, but they bounced around so much and my scope of work has me bounced around so much I never got from cover to cover.
I'll have to try a few of these out for the full cover to cover.
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: CADaver on August 31, 2007, 04:33:33 PM
Here ya go CADaver
ummm.... thanks??

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It may be that Lisp is in AutoCAD an old hat that the large love of Microsoft actual those would also not have it probably rather an active participation in Visual basic, which is built into AutoCAD also.
???
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: sinc on August 31, 2007, 05:35:25 PM
Funny when the masculine and feminine objectivity of other languages become involved in an english translation.


I like things like:

"It may be that Lisp is in AutoCAD an old hat that the large love of Microsoft actual those would also not have it probably rather an active participation in Visual basic."

Now that's some primo babel...   :-)
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: Kerry on August 31, 2007, 06:14:22 PM
This never fails.... try it

That one worked for me too Luis.

... but I found the New Rider books were great ( somewhere around Rel 11. or 12)
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: CmdrDuh on August 31, 2007, 06:19:39 PM
Mastering Autolisp for versions r9-r13 by New Riders Press were the best books.  Then they just quit updating them
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: Joe Burke on September 01, 2007, 12:57:14 PM
IMO, once you feel comfortable with the Rawls and Hagen book, the rest is learned online.

Let's face it. One reason there are no books which fully explain the topics discussed here is because books are being replaced by online. Sad though that may be for those of us who like the feel of a book.

Just my two cents...
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: CADaver on September 01, 2007, 03:14:26 PM
My first AutoLisp book (http://klobouk.fsv.cvut.cz/~chour/Lisp/Contents.htm)
Title: Re: Best AutoLisp programming book?
Post by: Kerry on September 01, 2007, 09:48:45 PM
My first AutoLisp book (http://klobouk.fsv.cvut.cz/~chour/Lisp/Contents.htm)


I agree Randy, that's a pretty good starter. The author makes a statement that I think is critical ... do the exercises.

Quote
How to Use This Book

Each chapter offers exercises and sample programs that demonstrate some general concept regarding AutoLISP. Through these exercises, the book shows you how programs develop from ideas into finished, running programs. Also, the information you learn in one chapter will build on what you learned in the previous chapter. This way, your knowledge of AutoLISP will be integrated and cohesive, rather than fragmented. For this reason, the best way to use this book is to read each chapter in order and do all of the exercises. Since the topics are oriented toward accomplishing tasks rather than simply focusing on individual functions, you will have a good grasp of how to use AutoLISP in real world situations by the end of this book.

To preempt derogatory comment, I know I'm stating the seemingly obvious .. but it seems to be something that gets forgotten, to the detriment of the student.