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CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: A_LOTA_NOTA on August 16, 2007, 03:07:03 PM
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We use dual monitors & I normally have a session of AutoCAD on each. I was just thinking today it would sure be nice to be able to drag a drawing from one session to the other. It would close in the current session & open in the other.
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We use dual monitors & I normally have a session of AutoCAD on each. I was just thinking today it would sure be nice to be able to drag a drawing from one session to the other. It would close in the current session & open in the other.
You can drag and drop between open drawings within the same session of AutoCAD; just need to tile the windows.
But it sounds like you would like to open an already opened drawing in another session of AutoCAD and have the previously opened drawing then close??!? :?
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We use dual monitors & I normally have a session of AutoCAD on each. I was just thinking today it would sure be nice to be able to drag a drawing from one session to the other. It would close in the current session & open in the other.
You can drag and drop between open drawings within the same session of AutoCAD; just need to tile the windows.
But it sounds like you would like to open an already opened drawing in another session of AutoCAD and have the previously opened drawing then close??!? :?
Yes, I would like to drag a drawing from one session to the other. It would no longer be open in the first session just the second.
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We use dual monitors & I normally have a session of AutoCAD on each. I was just thinking today it would sure be nice to be able to drag a drawing from one session to the other. It would close in the current session & open in the other.
You can drag and drop between open drawings within the same session of AutoCAD; just need to tile the windows.
But it sounds like you would like to open an already opened drawing in another session of AutoCAD and have the previously opened drawing then close??!? :?
Yes, I would like to drag a drawing from one session to the other. It would no longer be open in the first session just the second.
So now my curiosity has reached an all-time high.... if you've already got the drawing open, why close it just for the sake of re-opening it??!?
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So now my curiosity has reached an all-time high.... if you've already got the drawing open, why close it just for the sake of re-opening it??!?
...so if wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college!
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So now my curiosity has reached an all-time high.... if you've already got the drawing open, why close it just for the sake of re-opening it??!?
...so if wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college!
:lmao: :lmao:
The guy is so funny.... I saw him a couple of times at the Mohegan Sun.
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We use dual monitors & I normally have a session of AutoCAD on each. I was just thinking today it would sure be nice to be able to drag a drawing from one session to the other. It would close in the current session & open in the other.
You can drag and drop between open drawings within the same session of AutoCAD; just need to tile the windows.
But it sounds like you would like to open an already opened drawing in another session of AutoCAD and have the previously opened drawing then close??!? :?
Yes, I would like to drag a drawing from one session to the other. It would no longer be open in the first session just the second.
So now my curiosity has reached an all-time high.... if you've already got the drawing open, why close it just for the sake of re-opening it??!?
Well, I draw on the monitor directly in front of me & use the one on my right for reference. So if I have a drawing open on the screen I draw on & would like to move it to the reference monitor. It would be nice to be able to drag & drop it without closing it & opening it back up.... Guess I'm just lazy & set in my ways....
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If you're prepared to find a suitably sized bag of green stuff I could program it for you.
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If you're prepared to find a suitably sized bag of green stuff I could program it for you.
Asparagus??
Caulifl
Broccoli??
Crab grass??
Cheeba??!? It's cheeba, isn't it??!! Yeah.... it is!!
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Well, I draw on the monitor directly in front of me & use the one on my right for reference. So if I have a drawing open on the screen I draw on & would like to move it to the reference monitor. It would be nice to be able to drag & drop it without closing it & opening it back up.... Guess I'm just lazy & set in my ways....
Okay... That makes sense. I can understand wanting to do that. Doesn't sound like an easy bit of programming though. :-(
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If you're prepared to find a suitably sized bag of green stuff I could program it for you.
Well it was more just conversation & may be a wish list for future releases of AutoCAD. But how much “green stuff” are you talking about. What language would a program like this be written in?
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Well, I draw on the monitor directly in front of me & use the one on my right for reference. So if I have a drawing open on the screen I draw on & would like to move it to the reference monitor. It would be nice to be able to drag & drop it without closing it & opening it back up.... Guess I'm just lazy & set in my ways....
Okay... That makes sense. I can understand wanting to do that. Doesn't sound like an easy bit of programming though. :-(
Well thanks for the conversation Matt. I was just thinking out loud more than anything. I have no idea how hard it would be to program or even what language it would need to be written in.
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If you're prepared to find a suitably sized bag of green stuff I could program it for you.
Well it was more just conversation & may be a wish list for future releases of AutoCAD. But how much “green stuff” are you talking about. What language would a program like this be written in?
What's it worth to you ?
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If you're prepared to find a suitably sized bag of green stuff I could program it for you.
Well it was more just conversation & may be a wish list for future releases of AutoCAD. But how much “green stuff” are you talking about. What language would a program like this be written in?
What's it worth to you ?
no offense but uh... that's a pretty crappy thing to ask someone.
"How much for this product?"
"How much you willing to pay?"
Kind of a crappy negotiation to me...
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If you're prepared to find a suitably sized bag of green stuff I could program it for you.
Well it was more just conversation & may be a wish list for future releases of AutoCAD. But how much “green stuff” are you talking about. What language would a program like this be written in?
What's it worth to you ?
*cough*nothing*cough*
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What's it worth to you ?
no offense but uh... that's a pretty crappy thing to ask someone.
"How much for this product?"
"How much you willing to pay?"
Kind of a crappy negotiation to me...
This is the DILBERT school of Marketing....
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What's it worth to you ?
no offense but uh... that's a pretty crappy thing to ask someone.
"How much for this product?"
"How much you willing to pay?"
Kind of a crappy negotiation to me...
This is the DILBERT school of Marketing....
haha yea, that is a rather Dogbert-ian question.
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Josh, It's a perfectly legitimate question.
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Well, I draw on the monitor directly in front of me & use the one on my right for reference. So if I have a drawing open on the screen I draw on & would like to move it to the reference monitor. It would be nice to be able to drag & drop it without closing it & opening it back up.... Guess I'm just lazy & set in my ways....
Keeping in mind that I don't use Acad but do use dual monitors...
Can't you just minimize the drawing and drag the window to the reference monitor?
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Josh, It's a perfectly legitimate question.
Sure it is. It's just not the style of pricing philosophy that I can respect. Just making a comment.
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Well, I draw on the monitor directly in front of me & use the one on my right for reference. So if I have a drawing open on the screen I draw on & would like to move it to the reference monitor. It would be nice to be able to drag & drop it without closing it & opening it back up.... Guess I'm just lazy & set in my ways....
Keeping in mind that I don't use Acad but do use dual monitors...
Can't you just minimize the drawing and drag the window to the reference monitor?
Yes.
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Josh, It's a perfectly legitimate question.
Sure it is. It's just not the style of pricing philosophy that I can respect. Just making a comment.
So you'd rather see me spend an hour and write a spec after determining if it CAN be done, then price it , then have the OP say "Well I only wanted to pay a max of $25.00" ... Is that what you'd like ?
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Yes.
Thanks. I wondered about that.
*skips off to find some paste to eat*
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Well, I draw on the monitor directly in front of me & use the one on my right for reference. So if I have a drawing open on the screen I draw on & would like to move it to the reference monitor. It would be nice to be able to drag & drop it without closing it & opening it back up.... Guess I'm just lazy & set in my ways....
Keeping in mind that I don't use Acad but do use dual monitors...
Can't you just minimize the drawing and drag the window to the reference monitor?
Yes, I can drag one session to the other monitor if you want. The way I do it now is just close the drawing & reopen it on the reference monitor. Not a big deal... I was just thinking how great it would be just to be able to drag & drop it. Thought I might see if anyone one else would like to see the same thing. But I guess it’s just me.
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Yes, I can drag one session to the other monitor if you want. The way I do it now is just close the drawing & reopen it on the reference monitor. Not a big deal... I was just thinking how great it would be just to be able to drag & drop it. Thought I might see if anyone one else would like to see the same thing. But I guess it’s just me.
But if you can drag the session from one to the other........ and you want to be able to drag .........
Oh well. I'm confused. Nevermind my ramblings.
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Josh, It's a perfectly legitimate question.
Sure it is. It's just not the style of pricing philosophy that I can respect. Just making a comment.
So you'd rather see me spend an hour and write a spec after determining if it CAN be done, then price it , then have the OP say "Well I only wanted to pay a max of $25.00" ... Is that what you'd like ?
Well I'll tell you what I would not like, and that's to find out that a program that I really wanted and needed and ended up spending $250 on ended up taking you a total of one hour to write.
If you're going to charge someone for a product, you should do your own estimate on what the capital expenditure would total and then say what it would cost to create.
I mean, McDonald's doesn't charge you based on how hungry you are. They charge you an amount of capital to cover their expense of capital plus a little extra to make a profit.
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Yes, I can drag one session to the other monitor if you want. The way I do it now is just close the drawing & reopen it on the reference monitor. Not a big deal... I was just thinking how great it would be just to be able to drag & drop it. Thought I might see if anyone one else would like to see the same thing. But I guess it’s just me.
But if you can drag the session from one to the other........ and you want to be able to drag .........
Oh well. I'm confused. Nevermind my ramblings.
That sounds like a pretty good solution to me.
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I mean, McDonald's doesn't charge you based on how hungry you are. They charge you an amount of capital to cover their expense of capital plus a little extra to make a profit.
WRONG. They charge the maximum that they know from experince you are prepared to pay
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I mean, McDonald's doesn't charge you based on how hungry you are. They charge you an amount of capital to cover their expense of capital plus a little extra to make a profit.
WRONG. They charge the maximum that they know from experince you are prepared to pay
I was merely making an assumption based on my understanding of business practices in the companies I've worked for... I used McDonald's as a generic name everyone knows, which was probably a mistake.
Anyways, to stay competitive you charge the least you can to make a profit and still get the bid... not the most you can get away with. To do otherwise would be price gouging. It's immoral, imho, to dangle a product in front of someone and ask how much they want it, while you negotiate price.
What if McDonald's started pricing food based on how long ago your last meal was? "Oh, you're REALLY hungry, well these fries are $10, now"
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I mean, McDonald's doesn't charge you based on how hungry you are. They charge you an amount of capital to cover their expense of capital plus a little extra to make a profit.
WRONG. They charge the maximum that they know from experince you are prepared to pay
Yes, and they also don't ask you how much you're WILLING to pay when you come up to the counter... they supply a product and a price, and let the customer decide. Dangling the product in front of them and asking how much cash you can get from them is RUDE.
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Well I'll tell you what I would not like, and that's to find out that a program that I really wanted and needed and ended up spending $250 on ended up taking you a total of one hour to write.
Who said it would take one hour ?
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Well I'll tell you what I would not like, and that's to find out that a program that I really wanted and needed and ended up spending $250 on ended up taking you a total of one hour to write.
Who said it would take one hour ?
Hypothetical, anyone?
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Sorry I mentioned it! I think I have found a easy way of working around the problem…… Just not as cool!
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I think the actual solution is to open BOTH drawing in a single session and THEN open your other session with that file in read-only mode. This will allow you to locate the data in RO drawing..and then Tile the windows in the active session and then drag and drop betwixt them.
This of course will be FREE of charge, no matter how badly you need it, or are willing to pay. :kewl:
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Josh,
3 things are obvious to me.
You have no idea what it takes to produce something like this
You have no idea about free market economics.
Yuo don't understand the difference between value/worth and cost.
Thats it for me. !
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Josh. I believe it was Kerry's way of asking "What is your budget?"
I don't mean to put words in your mouth Kerry. It just seemed like a difference in expressions.
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Josh,
3 things are obvious to me.
You have no idea what it takes to produce something like this
You have no idea about free market economics.
Yuo don't understand the difference between value/worth and cost.
Thats it for me. !
1 thing is obvious to me... you care more about greed than fairness. Something I would hate to see permeate this site.
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Josh. I believe it was Kerry's way of asking "What is your budget?"
I don't mean to put words in your mouth Kerry. It just seemed like a difference in expressions.
If that's true then it came off very different to me, and I gave every chance for a clarification or correction; which was not given, and so I can only assume my stated perception was accurate.
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Josh. I believe it was Kerry's way of asking "What is your budget?"
I don't mean to put words in your mouth Kerry. It just seemed like a difference in expressions.
Yes Kerry. Exactly. A lot of "I want.." requests die when that question is asked.
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1 thing is obvious to me... you care more about greed than fairness. Something I would hate to see permeate this site.
Josh, I am choosing not to reply to this in the manner I'd prefer.
instead ; You know absolutely nothing about my ethics .. If you did, you'd know better that posting that rubbish.
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1 thing is obvious to me... you care more about greed than fairness. Something I would hate to see permeate this site.
Josh, I am choosing not to reply to this in the manner I'd prefer.
instead ; You know absolutely nothing about my ethics .. If you did, you'd know better that posting that rubbish.
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When someone comes to me wanting to design a home, that is one of the first things I ask. Somewhere around 7 out of 10 times they plan they have in their head is considerably over their budget. There are other guys locally that will just draw up what ever they want. And then they take it to a contractor to find it is $60g over what they can afford. So they are out the time and the $$ they spent on those plans. I hate it when I have to tell people that.
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Yes Kerry. Exactly. A lot of "I want.." requests die when that question is asked.
This wasn't an I want post! Well sort of.... But I wasn't asking anyone to program it for me..... But if someone would have offered that would have been great also! :-)
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1 thing is obvious to me... you care more about greed than fairness. Something I would hate to see permeate this site.
Josh, I am choosing not to reply to this in the manner I'd prefer.
instead ; You know absolutely nothing about my ethics .. If you did, you'd know better that posting that rubbish.
All I know is what I read, and if you're basing your pricing upon how much cash a person is willing to part with, rather than the cost of production, then sorry I find that immoral.
If your question was not concerning that at all, and was merely seeing if this was a situation to employ your skills, or whether it was simply a musing, then it was a misunderstanding and I wish you would have cleared that up way before now, preferably before you chose to insult my intelligence.
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When someone comes to me wanting to design a home, that is one of the first things I ask. Somewhere around 7 out of 10 times they plan they have in their head is considerably over their budget. There are other guys locally that will just draw up what ever they want. And then they take it to a contractor to find it is $60g over what they can afford. So they are out the time and the $$ they spent on those plans. I hate it when I have to tell people that.
I think programming would be different. What the program needed to do was already known. Why not just say it will be $X for that program?
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When someone comes to me wanting to design a home, that is one of the first things I ask. Somewhere around 7 out of 10 times they plan they have in their head is considerably over their budget. There are other guys locally that will just draw up what ever they want. And then they take it to a contractor to find it is $60g over what they can afford. So they are out the time and the $$ they spent on those plans. I hate it when I have to tell people that.
I think programming would be different. What the program needed to do was already known. Why not just say it will be $X for that program?
That was kind of my thought :|
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sorry...
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I think programming would be different. What the program needed to do was already known. Why not just say it will be $X for that program?
So you'd rather see me spend an hour and write a spec after determining if it CAN be done, then price it , then have the OP say "Well I only wanted to pay a max of $25.00" ... Is that what you'd like ?
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sorry...
No, I was rather enjoying it. :lol:
Although it did start to get a tad out of hand. (like that's never happened before)
FWIW, I think pricing is generally based on what the market will bear. IOW, charge as much as you can and still make the sale. Maximize your profit. If you are too high, and dont adjust accordingly, you'll soon be out of business.
You do have a valid point of view though, Josh. Different than Kerrys, but valid none the less.
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Shhhhhhh!!! You guys are gonna attract the dead guy!
I've already parceled the drivel out of one thread today. :-D
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sorry...
No, I was rather enjoying it. :lol:
Although it did start to get a tad out of hand. (like that's never happened before)
FWIW, I think pricing is generally based on what the market will bear. IOW, charge as much as you can and still make the sale. Maximize your profit. If you are too high, and dont adjust accordingly, you'll soon be out of business.
You do have a valid point of view though, Josh. Different than Kerrys, but valid none the less.
I wasn't trying to invalidate his view at all, just making a random comment. My thoughts are coming from a more competitive market, where you need to make yours just as good (hopefully better) and make sure it's cheaper than the big dogs can do it, to ensure sale. Of course at this company, it seems to be flooded with work atm, but we don't inflate our prices... we still charge standard rates.
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Josh, I'vejust re-read your comments this thread.
I believe you owe me and the members here an apology.
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Josh,
I have been at the receiving end of Kerrys very generous nature more than once, and I am very thankful of his programs written as a one off for me.
For my very limited time in LEARNING any programming I would've thought that some things cannot be costed for. Looking at normal engineering/design bids... how many of those jobs go smoothly, no problems, no need for re-design because they work correctly first tiime off, or there is no problem with the land you wish to build on, or, well anything? Would or is the client happy that you have to go back with a "please can I have some more money, cos its going to cost more than I thought"
Can I ask... If your boss came up to you and told you that he will pay you a set amount of money per completed drawing, would you be happy? I know I wouldnt be, because theres always changes, things missed, and things that dont work. Some would be my fault, but some would be beyond my control, but I'd only get the same amount of money.
I guess what I am trying to say is that you cant always get it right first time, there always seems to be some unknown factor waiting to trip you up.
Kerry is, in my eyes, a very valuable member here. Willing to help members with programming wherever he can, and for that I am thankful.
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Thank you Tracey, I appreciate the comments.
not unrelated :
To me, the expression " a brown paper bag filled with green" simply means it will cost a lot, so allow for plenty ... I doubt that anyone would seriously think that the statement was a legitimate quotation .. but I've been wrong before.
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Josh, I'vejust re-read your comments this thread.
I believe you owe me and the members here an apology.
I did too ... twice now. And I have to agree with you Kerry.
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Josh, I'vejust re-read your comments this thread.
I believe you owe me and the members here an apology.
I did too ... twice now. And I have to agree with you Kerry.
I probably should not get involved but ...TIME OUT!
I think both of you need to apologize. I feel it is not entirely Josh's fault. I too have re-read the post. Both of you are right in your opinions of how one should charge for work. However "I feel" both of you got out hand and/or did not make adjustments in your post to relieve the tension. So both of you are at fault in my opinion.
****Play ball***
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Josh, I'vejust re-read your comments this thread.
I believe you owe me and the members here an apology.
I did too ... twice now. And I have to agree with you Kerry.
With all due respect, Mark, don't either of you hold your breath.
That's all I am gonna say more in this thread.
If someone wants to make something more of this than it is, it can be taken to PM, like it probably should have been before the insults started getting fired off haphazardly.
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Josh, I'vejust re-read your comments this thread.
I believe you owe me and the members here an apology.
I did too ... twice now. And I have to agree with you Kerry.
With all due respect, Mark, don't either of you hold your breath.
I wasn't Josh. :)
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Staying out of the Apology argument....
To answer how I handle the copy from one dwg to the other on different monitors - I use the 'copybase' to Windows Clipboard then paste into the other dwg(s).
Wouldn't this work or am I misunderstanding what you want to do?
craigr
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Staying out of the Apology argument....
To answer how I handle the copy from one dwg to the other on different monitors - I use the 'copybase' to Windows Clipboard then paste into the other dwg(s).
Wouldn't this work or am I misunderstanding what you want to do?
craigr
I don't want to change anything in the drawing. I basically have two sessions of AutoCAD open & want the drawing to close in one & open in the other. But I want this to be accomplished by dragging the drawing from one session to the other.
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How about in a button, instead of d&d?
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How about in a button, instead of d&d?
I don't know any vb.net so I'm working on the button solution now. I'm just going to use lisp to save the drawing name to a drawing log. Then have another button that opens the drawing from the log file.
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In VBA, you could check for # of instances of Acad, then set focus to second instance, close dwg, and open in first instance. The button would work in either one. Pseudo thinking out loud...
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In VBA, you could check for # of instances of Acad, then set focus to second instance, close dwg, and open in first instance. The button would work in either one. Pseudo thinking out loud...
You could be right but I know very little VBA or even lisp for that matter. I just sort of pound it out as I go.... If I get stuck I post it on here. But your way sounds a little closer to what I wanted to do. They way I am doing it is the only way I knew how.
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Why don't you open one session of acad, stretch it across both monitors then use xref's.
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Why don't you open one session of acad, stretch it across both monitors then use xref's.
Doesn't sound like what I'm trying to do.
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...I just sort of pound it out as I go....
Sounds about right. That's what I do as well. I have a little time so I'll see what I can do.
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Why don't you open one session of acad, stretch it across both monitors then use xref's.
Doesn't sound like what I'm trying to do.
OK, what about one session of acad stretched across both monitors then place a window (dwg ) in each monitor? Or has that been mentioned already?
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Why don't you open one session of acad, stretch it across both monitors then use xref's.
Doesn't sound like what I'm trying to do.
OK, what about one session of acad stretched across both monitors then place a window (dwg ) in each monitor? Or has that been mentioned already?
This would accomplish basically the same thing. Just not as cool! But for practical purposes it would work! I ahve made buttons that will close the drawing then another that will open it in the other session. this works for now but again Not as cool. :-D
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I'm already scratching my head on this one for VBA. Way too much trial error for my novice fingers. Developer Help has some good examples of "BeginDrop" events. Kinda similar to what you're trying to do. Sorry, I'm gonna have to shelf this for now Mr. Nota.
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I'm already scratching my head on this one for VBA. Way too much trial error for my novice fingers. Developer Help has some good examples of "BeginDrop" events. Kinda similar to what you're trying to do. Sorry, I'm gonna have to shelf this for now Mr. Nota.
No big deal!! Thanks for the try!
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Well, I draw on the monitor directly in front of me & use the one on my right for reference. So if I have a drawing open on the screen I draw on & would like to move it to the reference monitor. It would be nice to be able to drag & drop it without closing it & opening it back up.... Guess I'm just lazy & set in my ways....
With PICKFIRST set to one. Select elements in one file, RIGHT-click the grip holding it down, and drag the selection set to the other file and release the right-click. You'll get several options on the paste location.
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Randy, he wants to drag the container, not the contents.
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Randy, he wants to drag the container, not the contents.
Ahh okay. ummm... dragging a window to... never mind.
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Randy, he wants to drag the container, not the contents.
What kind of problems would be exhibited if he changed the owner of the window? Would the new owner assume the message handling, thus effectively moving the drawing from one session to another?
I have never tried this, but I know you can change the window owner ... maybe I'll give it a try and see what kind of problems occur.
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I have never tried this, but I know you can change the window owner ... maybe I'll give it a try and see what kind of problems occur.
That would be great Keith! Let me know how it turns out!
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my thinking may be MILES off on this one (it usually is) but when you close a drawing it writes it to the History list?
Can you not just create 2 buttons..
1-Save and Close (in the working drawing session)
2-Open last saved drawing to history list? (in reference session)
Someone may have the expertise to link the 2 buttons together??
yes/no?
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my thinking may be MILES off on this one (it usually is) but when you close a drawing it writes it to the History list?
Can you not just create 2 buttons..
1-Save and Close (in the working drawing session)
2-Open last saved drawing to history list? (in reference session)
Someone may have the expertise to link the 2 buttons together??
yes/no?
This is basically what I have it doing now. I didn't know how to do it any other way.
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Just curious here. What's the advantage of running separate sessions over opening the files in the same session? With dual monitors speading the one session over both, it seems relatively simple (to me anyway) to just DnD the drawing windows where you want 'em.
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Just curious here. What's the advantage of running separate sessions over opening the files in the same session? With dual monitors speading the one session over both, it seems relatively simple (to me anyway) to just DnD the drawing windows where you want 'em.
If I was going to do that I would just have one big monitor. But I also reference Excel, APV, Visual Enterprise among other programs while creating drawings. So if I just have one session of AutoCAD stretched across both monitors it makes it harder to look at other programs while working in AutoCAD.
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Randy, he wants to drag the container, not the contents.
What kind of problems would be exhibited if he changed the owner of the window? Would the new owner assume the message handling, thus effectively moving the drawing from one session to another?
I have never tried this, but I know you can change the window owner ... maybe I'll give it a try and see what kind of problems occur.
Just thought I would check in & see if it was worth trying!