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Code Red => AutoLISP (Vanilla / Visual) => Visual DCL Programming => Topic started by: Guest on April 12, 2007, 10:37:27 AM
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OpenDCL is free and ObjectDCL is not, correct? How are the two different (besides names and $$)?
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OpenDCL Rocks, ObjectDCL is still vaporware
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OpenDCL Rocks, ObjectDCL is still vaporware
+1 :wink:
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Thanks Mark. I meant to do that but got caught up in something else. I don't Se7en yelling at me for using a non-descriptive subject line. :wink:
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OpenDCL Rocks, ObjectDCL is still vaporware
+1 :wink:
But they're essentially the same thing, right, so why would someone try to sell something that someone else is giving away for free?? I just don't get it.
I've been a little hesitant to dive into OpenDCL out of fear that it won't be supported/free(ware) for future versions.
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neither do many of us . . . :|
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I've been a little hesitant to dive into OpenDCL out of fear that it won't be supported/free(ware) for future versions.
Putting the business model aside, I would feel more comfortable using OpenDCL because it is open source.
You have the source. If ObjectDCL goes belly up. What do you have? Zip (been there, done that).
At least with the open version you have something to work with.
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I think O and O are great.
But one might have a French version, while the other not.
For me it is not a problem, but for the others it could be great. I know what I'm talking about, I'm a very very active member of a french forum were we already discussed about the language topic in softwares use. Quite a few don't wan't to invest their time because of their lacks in English.
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The financial side of OpenDCL is already being discussed here:
https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1710703&forum_id=658811 (https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1710703&forum_id=658811)
Basically OpenDCL will always be free, but if you want to support it you can....
Like others have said, if ObjectDCL goes belly up, your screwed.
Owen says he'll put together some documentation on how to build OpenDCL in VS2005 Express for Acad2007+ (not 2006).
So if for some strange reason no one wants to support OpenDCL any more, at least you can download it and build it for free & I'm sure you could find someone in the forums to help you fix whatever you're trying to fix in the source code...
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I do agree with you C# is the way to go. I am a CAD Mng. but old habbits are hard to break. Plus I really don't want to convert my hug number of lsp files to C#. So if I DO have to rely on a 3rd party app. I'd take the open source over the closed any day. That's all I'm saying.
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I can continue, writing forever.... but the point it is very clear, it will worth the effort to jump for a powerful language, if cannot be C++ then go for C#.... it is getting late.
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Luis,
We seem to be having this discussion a lot. Remember that a LOT of customisers dont want or need to learn a higher level language. Also, during the 3 or 4 or 5 years it takes to become mildly proficient at ObjectARX, development of small applications can't just stop. While I admire your fervor and zeal in pushing for C++ development the desire must be tempered with a little reality.
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I really wish someone would stop deleting posts in threads, it mucks up the whole continuity of the discussion.
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Yep, it pisses me off as well.
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I surely do acknowledge your right to remove posts, but we were having a 'conversation' where one thought <post> leads to another. Suddenly having those posts removed makes my posts a waste of time .. and I hate waste.
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I surely do acknowledge your right to remove posts, but we were having a 'conversation' where one thought <post> leads to another. Suddenly having those posts removed makes my posts a waste of time .. and I hate waste.
On that note *lol*...I got one for ya...I especially like the thread about deleting posts *lol* where in which a ``moderator''--who started the thread vent (that's prolly the best part)--started deleting their posts *lmao* ...Oh good times.
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As long there is a remove option for my own posts, and if I consider that my answers are not needed or when I by mistake make an opinion that would not lead to anything or are totally wrong, then I will remove my posts, if I by doing that, makes any of the members unhappy, please accept my apologies, I have a lot of respect to you Kerry never had any intention to make you mad or pissed, please excuse me.
Yo, chopped liver here. While you may have that opinion of your post, removing it renders subsequent replies nonsensical, especially if a reply did not quote your post. In this case BrazzaCAD is left agreeing with "someone" about a point that doesn't exist. Had Kerry not quoted your post, I'd be left wondering what Brazza was smoking. Edit the post if you must, but in consideration for those replying to and reading the thread next year, resist deleting it, please.
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I do agree with you C# is the way to go.
I remember way back when ACAD2000 was launched: The autodesk reseller at the time was warning us that lisp would not be supported in the next release and that he, for a fee, could convert our lisp routines over to VBA - which of course would be around forever . . ..
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I do agree with you C# is the way to go.
I remember way back when ACAD2000 was launched: The autodesk reseller at the time was warning us that lisp would not be supported in the next release and that he, for a fee, could convert our lisp routines over to VBA - which of course would be around forever . . ..
Isn't it ironic that we are now seeing the beginning of the end of VBA, and AutoLISP still has no end in sight?
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Chuck,
Ironic IS the word.
I recall being lambasted by certain people for daring to say I'd stick with lisp.
... and then there was "oh no, dont bother with ADO "
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Luis, lets turn this around for a second.
You are learning c++ and ObjectARX. Imagine you were programming for a living and someone came along and told all your customers not to trust your product because you were doing it for the money and that your product depended on you.
... and that their continued use of the product was questionable because you couldn't be trusted to upgrade it.
How would that make you feel ?
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OpenDCL is free and ObjectDCL is not, correct? How are the two different (besides names and $$)?
Nothing aside from the people involved, the driving philosophy, and the product longevity.
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I still don't feel that the original question which started this thread was answered. I would also like to know what the differences are. Could someone create a comparison chart on options and useability instead of taking sides and fighting like two kids in the sandbox.
Both programs enable to do more than standard DCL, but what are these features and which program allows the user to implement them easier? What about speed?
If someone could give a bipartisan answer, I (and probably the rest of us here) would be forever grateful.
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LibertyOne,
Have you tried either product ??
Perhaps you would be the best one to do the comparison chart ... If you meet the criteria you set.
I look forward to your evaluation.
Welcome to theSwamp.
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Have you tried either product ??
Before I get to this point and try either product, I would like to have a bipartisan comparison of each to see what they are capable of doing. My decision wouldn't be made at this point, but it would give a clear overview as to whether or not one of these products is suitable for my needs. (Or if it's overkill, and regular DCL suits the purpose.)
I was on both websites of each product looking for information:
ObjectDCL
Here I found and downloaded for further reading the PDF "ObjectDCL Ver2 Beginners Manual".
I skimmed through this document last night and found that it gives a good description of the setup, how it works, list of controls, etc. I'll be reading this further in depth today.
OpenDCL
Here I found the beginners tutorial which I will first read through before starting the tutorial. I found a lot of screen shots, which also show what the program is capable of achieving. I also downloaded the latest version of OpenDCL, 7.0.0.2, which I will first install when I am ready to do an evaluation.
Perhaps you would be the best one to do the comparison chart ... If you meet the criteria you set.
I look forward to your evaluation.
Not necessarily, the criteria I set may not be the same of which others set.
Anyone could make a comparison chart. It would just give an overview of features and possibilities that can be achieved with the products over normal DCL.
I'll see what my research can find and I'll try to document it.