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Title: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 01:54:28 PM
I have a user here that cannot WBlock anything out, nor can they copy/paste. I'm stumped, anybody have a clue as to whats going on?
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 01:58:26 PM
OOOoooops, could someone move this to the appropriate forum?
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Greg B on October 17, 2006, 02:03:15 PM
layers locked/frozen etc?
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:05:31 PM
layers locked/frozen etc?

No.

I don't think I missed any of the obvious settings.

This is really strange.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: MP on October 17, 2006, 02:07:56 PM
What's the error message and/or exact behavior exhibited?
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Greg B on October 17, 2006, 02:12:49 PM
What's the error message and/or exact behavior exhibited?

Dude!

MP!

Dood!  Your avatar is FREEKING ME OUT!
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:14:02 PM
Here's the scenario:

AutoCAD 2002 vanilla w/modified menu structure (Not modded by me)
WBlock command has not been undefined
All commands are in tact
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Greg B on October 17, 2006, 02:16:14 PM
Have you tried shutting down AutoCAD and restarting it?
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: MP on October 17, 2006, 02:22:26 PM
Dood!  Your avatar is FREEKING ME OUT!

<Darph Bobo> Never underestimate the power of a dark clown.

Mooooo haaa haaaa haaaa!! </ Darph Bobo>
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:23:30 PM
Behavior:

Command: wblock

(dialog opens) select objects, define base point, set file name and dir, (convert to block/retain/delete does not work)

nothing happens.


Then tried a command line call:

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Command: -WBLOCK

 

Enter name of existing block or

[= (block=output file)/* (whole drawing)] <define new drawing>:

Specify insertion base point: INT

of

Select objects: Specify opposite corner: 847 found

 

Select objects:

Error writing/closing file.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:24:23 PM
Have tried saving to write friendly directories...
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:25:24 PM
OK, now I gotta turn Avatars back on to see this...
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Greg B on October 17, 2006, 02:25:39 PM
Have you rebooted the puter?
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:27:06 PM
No.

Trying...
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:31:13 PM
Reboot and nada...
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Greg B on October 17, 2006, 02:32:40 PM
Well now you know it's a setting and not a glitch in the system.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:33:25 PM
TURNING AVATARS OFF!!!!
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:33:42 PM
Yes sir.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: VerticalMojo on October 17, 2006, 02:36:47 PM
try this topic  http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=9857.0



this (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=7450124&linkID=2475161) should help those of you sending the drawings there is also another patch for those who get the error when receiving drawings saved down from 2007.I still cant believe Autodesk released 2007 with such a fundemental flaw.Weve already had irate clients complaining about the problem when they receive drawings
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Chuck Gabriel on October 17, 2006, 02:38:31 PM
Is this behavior occurring in all drawings or just certain ones?
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:41:08 PM
V.M.: A.C.2002

C.G.: Just the one drawing.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Greg B on October 17, 2006, 02:43:44 PM
sounds like a corrupt entity to me.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:44:10 PM
Trying V.M.s fix...
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: T.Willey on October 17, 2006, 02:44:21 PM
Purge / Audit the drawing?  I have seen this before, and I think and Audit fixed it, but can't remember for sure.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 02:59:46 PM
Great, I just looked for acdb17.dll, and there is no such file in all of her C:. Put the new one in her ACAD2002 dir, and restarted AC, went to open the infected file, and I don't know which one it is. She's in a mtg, and I'm in limbo.

Phhht...

Thanks for the quick response time.


Beers for all!
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: MP on October 17, 2006, 03:06:30 PM
Great, I just looked for acdb17.dll, and there is no such file in all of her C: ...

VM's fix is for AutoCAD 2007 (acdb17.dll is said version specific file if I'm not mistaken). The little I pretend to have understood about the problem is that it is caused by AutoCAD 2007 dumbing down the drawing to AutoCAD 2000 format. The fix remedies AutoCAD 2007 <in theory> so that when it downgrades the drawing it doesn't cause a problem for earlier versions of AutoCAD, like 2002. Did that make sense? Sorry?

Edit: fixed pathetic spelling, pathetic grammar remains.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 03:15:08 PM
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Did that make sense?
Absolutely.

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Sorry?
No need.

Auditing the drawing...
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Chuck Gabriel on October 17, 2006, 03:27:02 PM
I have seen the same thing with drawings that we receive from one client in particular, but I have never been able to find a solution, so I will be watching this thread with interest.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 03:37:45 PM
Started a new drawing, inserted suspect drawing @0,0, xploded, and voila!

All is well.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Jeff_M on October 17, 2006, 03:38:31 PM
From the Adesk Website:
This hotfix will correct a problem where cut and paste, copy and paste, block and insert, wblock and insert, and drag and drop operations fail in drawings that are saved in AutoCAD® 2000 and AutoCAD® Release 14 file formats.

If you open or create a file in AutoCAD 2007 and save it in AutoCAD 2000 or AutoCAD Release 14 file formats and then open the drawing in AutoCAD 2000, 2000i, 2002 or AutoCAD Release 14 and attempt to cut and paste, copy and paste, block and insert, wblock and insert, or drag and drop objects, then these operations will fail.

Once the hotfix is installed, drawings that are subsequently saved in AutoCAD 2000 and AutoCAD Release 14 formats will work as expected. However, drawings that were previously saved in these formats from AutoCAD 2007 will continue to have the problem unless they are resaved with the hotfix applied. The 2000 from 2007 Find Utility below can be used to help identify those drawings. If you have a large number of drawings that need to be resaved, DWG TrueConvert is a free utility that will make the job easier. Make sure you apply the hotfix to DWG TrueConvert before resaving the drawings. (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=7450124&linkID=7139221)
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 03:39:15 PM
Beers for me too.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 03:48:38 PM
This is the fix:
Started a new drawing, inserted suspect drawing @0,0, xploded, and voila!

All is well.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Jeff_M on October 17, 2006, 05:07:32 PM
This is the fix:
Well, that may have worked for that drawing, but what about a drawing that has more than just things in ModelSpace?

Using Insert only brings in Modelspace.....Using the TrueConvert tool you can save the file as a  2007 file then resave as a 2000 format file and it should also fix the problem, but leave any Paperspace items/tabs intact.

For the next time.....:-)
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 05:40:06 PM
I apologize for not being thorough. Been doing the Headless Chicken Dance here alot. We only have 2002, so thats (unfortunately) not an option. We intercepted this file from one of our clients, so we would have to send it back and show the client how to do this, or redraw the Pspace objects.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Jeff_M on October 17, 2006, 05:50:51 PM
Yes, it is, an option. You do not have to have ANY version of AutoCad installed to use TrueConvert.....it is a standalone program.

Check it out! (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=8077792)

HTH
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 06:02:11 PM
If its not a free app, then I don't think it would be an option. MIS has my dept handicapped, bound gagged, and hogtied. Getting an application with such a limited use would never get through.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Jeff_M on October 17, 2006, 06:14:07 PM
Quote from: DWG TrueConvert Website
DWG TrueConvert™

This FREE* download translates any AutoCAD or AutoCAD-based drawing file for compatibility with AutoCAD Release 14 through AutoCAD 2007.

*FREE products subject to the terms and conditions of the end-user license agreement that accompanies download of the software.
IOW, it's free.... ;-)
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 17, 2006, 06:22:53 PM
Yeah!
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: hyposmurf on October 23, 2006, 08:10:06 AM
Strangest thing Ive seen in a CAD drawing was two layers named exactly the same. :?
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Maverick® on October 23, 2006, 08:50:53 AM
That's nothin'

I had one that when I opened it a voice came out saying "Yeah the coffee tastes like carp but you need it".

I think it might have had a virus embedded because now I hear it every morning.  :|
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Murphy on October 23, 2006, 09:26:32 AM
Mav,

That's one of the new voices in your head.
Drawings can't talk.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Maverick® on October 23, 2006, 09:43:16 AM
*Spicoli*   "Chaaaa"


Just wait until you get one.


*Walks off muttering "stick to the plan..."*
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 23, 2006, 11:43:37 AM
That's nothin'

I had one that when I opened it a voice came out saying "Yeah the coffee tastes like carp but you need it".

I think it might have had a virus embedded because now I hear it every morning.  :|

Could be triggered from an application event in VBA.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: daron on October 23, 2006, 12:18:10 PM
As for the items in paperspace? If and only if you've taken the pains to rename each tab, you can use design center to drag and drop each tab from the corrupt file into the new one and voila, your drawing is back in business
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Maverick® on October 23, 2006, 12:20:46 PM
Could be triggered from an application event in VBA.

  Volume of Beverage Aquired?

  Very Bad A.M.?

  Vicious Bed Astrangement?
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: deegeecees on October 23, 2006, 12:26:24 PM
Voluptuous Blonde Aquaintance
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Maverick® on October 23, 2006, 12:31:36 PM
 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: MikeJarosz on October 26, 2006, 05:30:10 PM
Sorry to break into your little group here but.....

When a command like BLOCK disappears completely, try it with a leading period, say .BLOCK This is different from the the minus sign, which uses the release 13 version of the command.

There is a command UNDEFINE that makes a command disappear, but REDEFINE brings it back. It's a favorite dirty trick of mine. It's in the ACAD help file.  :-)
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: sinc on October 26, 2006, 07:32:09 PM
Sorry to break into your little group here but.....

When a command like BLOCK disappears completely, try it with a leading period, say .BLOCK This is different from the the minus sign, which uses the release 13 version of the command.


It's not an R13 version of the command, it's just a command-line version of the command.  The hyphen merely suppresses the dialog box.  For some commands (such as PURGE), this gives you options that aren't available in the dialog box.
Title: Re: One Of The Strangest Things I've Ever Seen...
Post by: Keith™ on October 26, 2006, 09:35:03 PM
Another simple fix for this issue is to export to R14 dxf, then close the drawing. Upon opening the dxf and saving as DWG all should be right with the world.