TheSwamp
CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: M-dub on October 20, 2010, 02:00:49 PM
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I'm not talking about the latest technologies that Autodesk has to offer. I'm talking about the basics.
What are some of the "rookie" mistakes that you've found over the years?
I just found a drawing that would normally contain a title block with attributes. The title block was exploded and the person edited each tag in the attribute definitions to suit.... They HAD to realise that something was wrong because they used underscores in place of spaces (because they HAD to).
BTW, it wouldn't surprise me if this topic already exists somewhere...
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XREFs living on layer 0 and the associated DEFPOINTS layer settings weirdness like the XREF not plotting because DEFPOINTS is frozen.
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I just had the contractor wanted me to include a Fire Protection Plan in my set that has no title block at all along with no PE Stamp.
My comment was "Hey Boss, you want to respond to this or do you want me to?"
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Dimensional inaccuracies - dimensions that should be 24" are either 24.0000001" or 23.9999999".
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Dimensional inaccuracies - dimensions that should be 24" are either 24.0000001" or 23.9999999".
Mebbe that's actually dimensional superduperaccuracy.
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Dimensional inaccuracies - dimensions that should be 24" are either 24.0000001" or 23.9999999".
Are you measuring your dimensions with a micrometer? Two decimals would put you at 24.00" for either one.
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creating blocks with really BAD insertion points
and stupid names
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Recieve a huge site or floor plan and it is on 5 different layers named 0, layer1, layer2, layer3, layer4.
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1 hour and 4 minutes
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leaders that are exploded because the user is still drawing them using the old dim: leader command (or even worse, manually drew in the arrow head and the individual line segments)
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1 hour and 4 minutes
How long it took for someone to mention your particular woe?
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everything drawn in paperspce with the xref inserted as a block then exploded...
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I had a user ask me how he's supposed to edit a dimension. I asked how he edits text and he returns with "I double-click on it", to which I return "What if you can't double-click, how do you edit it? He had no idea. When I told him to type "ED" and select the object, I think his head exploded.
Same guy also fussed at me one day because he couldn't refedit our XRefed titleblock (I had write permissions removed from certain folders on server).
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Recieve a huge site or floor plan and it is on 5 different layers named 0, layer1, layer2, layer3, layer4.
I've got one similar I'm working on, except its done in pen-widths...
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I don't like when I get client titleblocks that need multiple TT fonts installed just to get it to look right.
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creating blocks with really BAD insertion points
and stupid names
What a richard.
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I don't like when I get client titleblocks that need multiple TT fonts installed just to get it to look right.
Must of gotten one of our drawings. I can not get the bosses to buy into playing nice with others.
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oh, my personal favorite..
and entire electrical plan done on one layer.......
(defpoints....)
slaps forehead..........
"why is it blank?"
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Changing BASE to 30,0 instead of leaving it alone. :roll:
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Rotating entire drawing instead of rotating view.
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Creating anonymus blocks through copying and pasting to new files and perpetuating the problem over a ten year period.
Argh!!
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Changing BASE to 30,0 instead of leaving it alone. :roll:
^X30^
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Getting a drawing with 20 different text and dimension styles with names like "Dave1" and "Roger13".
Users who when told "Move the solid so the center is at the WCS origin" respond with "How do I move it?" and "Where do I move it to?"
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not using the 'fillet' command to create fillets
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Just had a 'trained' user 'correct' base to be 0,0 except they didn't know they were in local UCS...
another user - hey where did the RCP go?
Changing BASE to 30,0 instead of leaving it alone. :roll:
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When a user decides to delete objects from model space, put them in paperspace, and try (and not be able to) figure out why when it gets inserted as a block, no objects appear
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I give all our CAD recruits a quick draughting test immediately after their interviews, to date 75% fail this very simple test for many of the reasons already given, plus a few more.
1. Draughting by eye; I've been amazed by the number of applicants who can't draw a line of an exact length, instead they watch the coordinates in the taskbar until they get it almost right. They usually fudge dimensions to cover-up.
2. Failing to use snaps correctly; a real pain when trying to hatch boundaries or dimension.
3. Not inserting mapping xrefs at 0,0.
4. And in 3D modelling terms, copying objects within a drawing rather than blocking & re-inserting them.
<Rant mode cancel>
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not using the 'fillet' command to create fillets
when dealing with large coordinates and polyines, a lot of the time I have found the fillet command does not fillet the segments, so I must use a circle, with a couple of lines from center to perpendicular and then trim.
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We work with an arcitect that is still putting their title blocks in model space and using part plans.
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At my previous job, it was the initials "LNB" or "KNB" on the Drawn By line of the title block.
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Changing BASE to 30,0 instead of leaving it alone. :roll:
for the record..I never changed it...must have been residule from the origional block....
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Changing BASE to 30,0 instead of leaving it alone. :roll:
for the record..I never changed it...must have been residule from the origional block....
ok ok....I SHOULD START FROM SCRATCH....I KNOW.......DONT SAY IT....
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Let us not speak of that matter again.
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Let us not speak of that matter again.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Let us not speak of that matter again.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
:lmao: :lmao: ;-) :lmao: :lmao:
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At my previous job, it was the initials "LNB" or "KNB" on the Drawn By line of the title block.
At one of my previous places of employment it was the initials "BAD", which was an irony that totally went over the guy's head....
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At my previous job, it was the initials "LNB" or "KNB" on the Drawn By line of the title block.
I don't get it.
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At my previous job, it was the initials "LNB" or "KNB" on the Drawn By line of the title block.
I don't get it.
I think he means that if those initials were on the drawing, it was going to be a nasty one.
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At my previous job, it was the initials "LNB" or "KNB" on the Drawn By line of the title block.
I don't get it.
I think he means that if those initials were on the drawing, it was going to be a nasty one.
Author! Author!
Thanks, now I get it.
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At my previous job, it was the initials "LNB" or "KNB" on the Drawn By line of the title block.
I don't get it.
I think he means that if those initials were on the drawing, it was going to be a nasty one.
I'd hate to be either, "LNB" or "KNB" reading this right now. ;-)
Are you two jewels STILL using the explode command? (for everything)
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Having an 'experienced' draftsman ask me (a holiday student) why, when opening the Titleblock drawing, the titleblock was 'exploded'... then asking how to insert it into a new drawing rather than the save_as he usually does...
Now we know the source of all those exploded titleblocks... :ugly:
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Having an 'experienced' draftsman ask me (a holiday student) why, when opening the Titleblock drawing, the titleblock was 'exploded'... then asking how to insert it into a new drawing rather than the save_as he usually does...
Now we know the source of all those exploded titleblocks... :ugly:
Whew! What a relief!
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I'd hate to be either, "LNB" or "KNB" reading this right now. ;-)
Are you two jewels STILL using the explode command? (for everything)
is not much of a chance but I really wouldn't want to be either of them at any rate
ITwit (KNB) Last Active: August 11, 2008, 02:39:13 pm
His father (LNB) never a member here
And they don't explode much any more - they just stick build the whole blasted thing
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Got a construction documents done in Revit (Architecture) and the building it is placed in the air - the site it is not flat, by the way...
I asked here for some samples about Revit Architecture did not get one, glad that this one it is not from a swamper - it is from a company a friend of mine it is working and done by one their masters (wizards) in Revit ---- (aha)
:)
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Thinking OSnaps are useless.
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I don't know if this falls under "untrained" or just "stubborn" but the 2 guys I work with who used AutoCAD since it was first released still trail on over to Pan and Zoom while in a command instead of using the scroll mouse. It drives me insane every time I see them do it :lol:
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I don't know if this falls under "untrained" or just "stubborn" but the 2 guys I work with who used AutoCAD since it was first released still trail on over to Pan and Zoom while in a command instead of using the scroll mouse. It drives me insane every time I see them do it :lol:
Well....at least they're not escaping the command to type "P". Hell, I changed P (in my PGP) from pan to pline in version '02 or whenever you could pan with the middle button.
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I don't know if this falls under "untrained" or just "stubborn" but the 2 guys I work with who used AutoCAD since it was first released still trail on over to Pan and Zoom while in a command instead of using the scroll mouse. It drives me insane every time I see them do it :lol:
Well....at least they're not escaping the command to type "P". Hell, I changed P (in my PGP) from pan to pline in version '02 or whenever you could pan with the middle button.
particularly in Civil 3D...with the Right+Click ZOOM TO function for just about everything one would ever need to be able or want to look at
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[All of the above...everything mentioned so far]
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they are not yet members of TheSwamp.org
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Everything drawn in model space, including border & title block (multiple sheets).
Created multiple paperspace layouts, one for each sheet.
Nothing in paperspace except the viewports, all at oddball scale factors
But the real kicker:
NOTHING in model space is drawn 1 to 1. All is scaled up by some factor.
Various scale factors for assorted details.
Multiple dimension styles all have a length scale factor to compensate for scaled up details.
All dimensions have the same visual appearance, but measure at different length scales.
DIMSCALE = 1 for all dimension styles.
My head hurts just thinking about it. :lol:
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Everything drawn in model space, including border & title block (multiple sheets).
Created multiple paperspace layouts, one for each sheet.
Nothing in paperspace except the viewports, all at oddball scale factors
But the real kicker:
NOTHING in model space is drawn 1 to 1. All is scaled up by some factor.
Various scale factors for assorted details.
Multiple dimension styles all have a length scale factor to compensate for scaled up details.
All dimensions have the same visual appearance, but measure at different length scales.
DIMSCALE = 1 for all dimension styles.
My head hurts just thinking about it. :lol:
So you know "LNB" & "KNB" too ... but I thought they discontinued ANY use of viewports after I left.
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Created multiple paperspace layouts, one for each sheet.
My head hurts just thinking about it. :lol:
I thought that was kinda the point of paperspace?
Or has my sense of humour not booted up properly this morning?
dJE
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BUT, what you guys are not mentioning is that it MAY just work fine for their company.
I'm afraid that MANY of our drawing practices would not meet up with the typical CAD society. But, they work great for us.
What we do usually isn't really 'drafting'. Very seldom do we draw anything to scale. When I do have to, it's usually adding a door or wall to a floor plan from an outside firm. A lot of our work could really be done in a graphics package such as Corel, it would just take MUCH more time.
Most of our CAD users are Engineers that don't know much CAD and stumble thru to try meet our standards, and some still argue when they don't.
Up to a few years ago, EVERYTHING was still drawn in MSpace, with 'no reason to change it'. If I threw fields at them, they would REALLY bark.
But, all of this works fine for us.
craigr
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leaders that are exploded because the user is still drawing them using the old dim: leader command (or even worse, manually drew in the arrow head and the individual line segments)
It's funny because this is the way our company still does it. *Sigh*
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It's more a sign of an "Untrained Civil Engineer" than an "Untrained CAD Person", but...
Getting a Civil Site Plan done in feet and inches. Just got another one of these things today... :-P