TheSwamp
CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: M-dub on February 19, 2007, 01:25:46 PM
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Here's a question for ya's.
How do you fold C-size (18" x 24", etc.) sheets?
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Folding plot sheets is a cardinal sin punishable by death or extremely slow dismemberment. The first time you do it will be the last!
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Always, Always, Always with the Title Block showing the lower right-hand corner up. I was always taught to show the sheet number (which has always been in the lower right... anyone who does otherwise is looking for a fight) at least, if not the whole title block, when folding drawings.
We never work with C... always B and D.
Looking at the numbers, you should fold it in a manner that gives you a 9x12 piece... So I guess fold it in half twice, once each way, so that the number is showing. I can't say for sure though.
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Folding plot sheets is a cardinal sin punishable by death or extremely slow dismemberment. The first time you do it will be the last!
That was NOT the question.
I do think Josh is on to something though.
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A) Agree that the drawing number should always be showing once folded. If possible, the entire title block.
B) We rarely do C-size, which is why I'm asking how to fold them.
We're basically trying 1/3 fold for the width (landscape) and 1/2 for the height. Seems to look alright. We want it to end up in a binder, so we're trying to get it as close to 8.5 x 11 as possible.
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That was NOT the question.
This does NOT answer the question.
I fold them so the job name shows. Otherwise..... whatever fits in the envelope.
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This does NOT answer the question.
I modified my answer before you posted this so na-na-na!
Since I did an answer already I can move on to a mutation.
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Folding plot sheets is a cardinal sin punishable by death or extremely slow dismemberment. The first time you do it will be the last!
That was NOT the question.
I do think Josh is on to something though.
I thought it answered it quite well ....
The question was ... How do you fold
I do not fold them, I do not allow anyone in my office to fold them ... even if it is one sheet, it gets rolled so the drawing info from the title block is visible i.e. client name, sheet number, rev. date .. etc .. it is then placed in a tube specifically designed for plans (if there is a tube big enough) and delivered to the client.
We had one employee a while back that folded a set of plans ... they no longer work here ...
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We're basically trying 1/3 fold for the width (landscape) and 1/2 for the height. Seems to look alright. We want it to end up in a binder, so we're trying to get it as close to 8.5 x 11 as possible.
That is about what we do also (except we have a nice Oce that does this for us) :-)
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We had one employee a while back that folded a set of plans ... they no longer work here ...
"No Soup For You!!!"
Though, we often make the distinction between rolled sets and folded sets. Unless folded ones are requested, they get them rolled.
That is about what we do also (except we have a nice Oce that does this for us) :-)
Must be nice!!!
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(except we have a nice Oce that does this for us) :-)
So Lori.. How does Mr. Oce fold a 18x24 print :-D
I hoenstly don't know if I've ever had to fold a 18x24 print...
Pieter
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Folding plot sheets is a cardinal sin punishable by death or extremely slow dismemberment. The first time you do it will be the last!
That was NOT the question.
I do think Josh is on to something though.
I thought it answered it quite well ....
The question was ... How do you fold
I do not fold them, I do not allow anyone in my office to fold them ... even if it is one sheet, it gets rolled so the drawing info from the title block is visible i.e. client name, sheet number, rev. date .. etc .. it is then placed in a tube specifically designed for plans (if there is a tube big enough) and delivered to the client.
We had one employee a while back that folded a set of plans ... they no longer work here ...
If your place of employment does not fold plans, then you had no reason to make the post you did, as you don't have the experience in this type of thing.
What you did do was make it seem like NOBODY should be folding plans. This of course is wrong as we are instructed by one of the city planning departments to have plans folded.
So while it may be right for your situation, it is not correct for all situation, which you very clearly made it seem to be so.
It is also of my opinion that if Mike wanted to roll the sheets up then he would have not posted the question, but the situation required that he does fold the drawings.
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What you did ...
Are you done? :?
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What you did ...
Are you done? :?
Sorry...nuther stressful weekend.
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sound familiar ?
Question:
How do I change the fanbelt on a Honda Civic;
Answer :
< 15 page rant on why you need to buy a Mac Truck. >
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sound familiar ?
I believe Honda Civic's have electric fans. :-D
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Thats the answer I wanted. !
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sound familiar ?
I believe Honda Civic's have electric fans. :-D
pffff... electric!... Needs a GAS TURBINE AIR ACCELATOR ......
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EIGHTY EIGHT MILES PER HOUR!!
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Greg, there you go .. making generalizations ...
To address your points individually ..
1) My place of employment does not fold plans .. it does not mean that I have no experience in the matter .. it means that I have had experience, and my experience has taught me that it is very frequently not acceptable to fold plans .. so since every building department I have ever worked with will accept rolled plans, it became a policy to never fold them.
2) Perhaps there IS a reason to fold plans but I don't know of any that I think are good, besides making the plans difficult to use in the field, they come across as unprofessional .. I have had building departments and constactors refuse plans that were folded .. I might add that your city planning department is crazy ... I have a set of plans that comprise nearly 200 pages of documents .. heck we can't even roll them .. much less fold them .. I suppose your city planning department would refuse them because they are not folded ..
3) Never did .. I stated that we do not fold them .. I never even implied that it is not right for all situations. Once again .. the question was "How do you fold ..." I stated in what I thought was perfectly clear ... I(we) don't fold them ... I just didn't provide the reason.
4) Perhaps ... but he could have just been curious .. such as what kind of plotter or computer you use ..
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3) Never did .. I stated that we do not fold them .. I never even implied that it is not right for all situations. Once again .. the question was "How do you fold ..." I stated in what I thought was perfectly clear ... I(we) don't fold them ... I just didn't provide the reason.
You saying this is not what you posted?
Folding plot sheets is a cardinal sin punishable by death or extremely slow dismemberment.
Sorry Keith. I blew my top.
OUR typical drawings are in the range of 10-15 sheets. Sometimes more. Usually less.
Seems they require them folded for the planning commission to each have a copy and it's easier to pass out.
Field copies are not folded.
To me your post suggested just one right way to do it. Never to fold. Like you didn't take all considerations in to account.
I'm sorry I flew off the handle at ya.
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no harm no foul .. I was only trying to bring a little levity to the question ... I could have stated that "In our experience we have found folding plans to be unacceptable" .. but then where is the fun in that ...
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.. I was only trying to bring a little levity to the question ...
After all there is your sig. :-D
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I'm sorry I flew off the handle at ya.
Just in case anyone else was wondering.... (http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/1/messages/2400.html) :-D
Frontiersmen found it hard to control their tempers when tools suddenly failed them. A common cause of such a turn of events was the shrinkage of wood - universally used to tool handles. After having hung in a shed for months, the handle of a hoe or a rake was likely to come off after a few strokes. In the case of an ax, badly worn or shrunken wood is positively dangerous because the head of the tool can come loose at the first lick. When the blade of an ax flies off the handle, it endangers the user and everyone standing nearby. That makes it almost as great a source of danger as a violent explosion of temper."
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Sweet, someone to take the heat off of my gravity thread...
*whistles as he walks away*
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Sweet, someone to take the heat off of my gravity thread...
*whistles as he walks away*
You know you CAN walk away because of gravity.
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newton .. shmewton ... gravity is a figment of your imagination ...
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Sweet, someone to take the heat off of my gravity thread...
*whistles as he walks away*
You know you CAN walk away because of gravity.
but it'd be more fun WITHOUT gravity!
newton .. shmewton ... gravity is a figment of your imagination ...
yea, I think I saw that Looney Toons recycled gag, too ;)
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yea, I think I saw that Looney Toons recycled gag, too ;)
Yeah but it was funnier when Bugs Bunny did it .. I don't know why though .. I guess some people just can't tell a joke ..
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If your place of employment does not fold plans, then you had no reason to make the post you did, as you don't have the experience in this type of thing.
giggle :-) no offense to you Keith, ...but that just made me chuckle. :-)
I just wish folks around here would stop rolling them up as tight as they can... with the printed side to the inside.
It's like trying to work with a slinkee. :pissed:
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If your place of employment does not fold plans, then you had no reason to make the post you did, as you don't have the experience in this type of thing.
giggle :-) no offense to you Keith, ...but that just made me chuckle. :-)
I just wish folks around here would stop rolling them up as tight as they can... with the printed side to the inside.
It's like trying to work with a slinkee. :pissed:
I DESPISE THAT!
I am working with a set of D size that someone had done that too... I got a few hunks of steel on paper towels sitting on all the corners... but then I need to reference another sheet... OH NOES>!
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If your place of employment does not fold plans, then you had no reason to make the post you did, as you don't have the experience in this type of thing.
giggle :-) no offense to you Keith, ...but that just made me chuckle. :-)
I just wish folks around here would stop rolling them up as tight as they can... with the printed side to the inside.
It's like trying to work with a slinkee. :pissed:
I DESPISE THAT!
I am working with a set of D size that someone had done that too... I got a few hunks of steel on paper towels sitting on all the corners... but then I need to reference another sheet... OH NOES>!
pdfs and 2 monitors would be nice there right?
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<boiiiiing!>
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pdfs and 2 monitors would be nice there right?
Can you open 2 PDF's up at the same time to have one on the left monitor and the other on the right?
w/o expanding the PDF view to both monitors and then tiling the open PDF's. [Real Pain]
I guess in a simple term, when you open multiple PDF's, can you have it launch Adobe Reader for each instance?
Pieter
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I use Foxit and I can Pieter. Don't know about Adobe.
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pdfs and 2 monitors would be nice there right?
Can you open 2 PDF's up at the same time to have one on the left monitor and the other on the right?
w/o expanding the PDF view to both monitors and then tiling the open PDF's. [Real Pain]
I guess in a simple term, when you open multiple PDF's, can you have it launch Adobe Reader for each instance?
Pieter
with some fighting sure...
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So Lori.. How does Mr. Oce fold a 18x24 print :-D
I hoenstly don't know if I've ever had to fold a 18x24 print...
Pieter
It is a configurable setting. The finished folded drawing can be
either an 8-1/2 x 11 or a 9 x 12. It is typically a tri-fold type method with the top folded down/back so title block is always on top and can be read easily if the drawings are in a folder. Mind you a typical project may have several hundred drawings associated with it, of which maybe 20-30 could be "C" sizes. When issued for construction, there may be 20 sets made and distributed, some need the prints rolled, some need folded, and some need flat and bound. This would be nearly impossible for our printshop operators to keep up with (50 - 75 jobs per day) if they had to run these sets each time they needed different types of output. Currently they run a complete set once, and tell the computer what they need. :-)
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I like to roll 'em up really tight, drawing side in. I mean really tight. 1/2" diameter if I can. No less than four rubber bands around 'em, with the rubber bands twisted over and over the roll. Leave them near an open window to pick up enough humidity for the drawings to take a set in this position. Store them for a while under a stack of other real heavy drawings. Preferably so the drawing roll is half squashed and no longer round.
Having said that, I feel much, much better. I think it's gonna be a great day!
Roll 'em, roll 'em, roll 'em, keep them drawings rollin'.
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I like to roll 'em up really tight, drawing side in. I mean really tight. 1/2" diameter if I can. No less than four rubber bands around 'em, with the rubber bands twisted over and over the roll. Leave them near an open window to pick up enough humidity for the drawings to take a set in this position. Store them for a while under a stack of other real heavy drawings. Preferably so the drawing roll is half squashed and no longer round.
:-D
Coffee stains can make them more "down to earth" as well. :lmao:
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I use Foxit and I can Pieter. Don't know about Adobe.
I'll need to look into Foxit...
Because Adobe makes it a real pain...
Thanks,
Pieter
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It is a configurable setting. The finished folded drawing can be
either an 8-1/2 x 11 or a 9 x 12. It is typically a tri-fold type method with the top folded down/back so title block is always on top and can be read easily if the drawings are in a folder. Mind you a typical project may have several hundred drawings associated with it, of which maybe 20-30 could be "C" sizes. When issued for construction, there may be 20 sets made and distributed, some need the prints rolled, some need folded, and some need flat and bound. This would be nearly impossible for our printshop operators to keep up with (50 - 75 jobs per day) if they had to run these sets each time they needed different types of output. Currently they run a complete set once, and tell the computer what they need. :-)
Isn't technology great! Thats pretty amazing. I've never worked at a place that had a folder that could do that.
Pieter
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I like to roll 'em up really tight, drawing side in. I mean really tight. 1/2" diameter if I can. No less than four rubber bands around 'em, with the rubber bands twisted over and over the roll. Leave them near an open window to pick up enough humidity for the drawings to take a set in this position. Store them for a while under a stack of other real heavy drawings. Preferably so the drawing roll is half squashed and no longer round.
:-D
Coffee stains can make them more "down to earth" as well. :lmao:
Don't Forget the boot prints and the burn holes from weld splatter
Ahhhh memories.
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Wine stains down here in So Cal
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Wine stains down here in So Cal
...that's just... "special" *pat pat*
We've had budweiser stains... though I've been exposed to weld spatter, cigarette burns, lasered steel slag, coke stains, coffee, and once I had a now-n-later stuck to a print... I just had a new copy made... *shakes head*
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We had one employee a while back that folded a set of plans ... they no longer work here ...
Talk about someone being ANAL... :pissed:
:-D
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We had one employee a while back that folded a set of plans ... they no longer work here ...
Talk about someone being ANAL... :pissed:
:-D
Well ... he left under other circumstances .. mainly for failing to follow instructions repeatedly ... for example sending out plans snail mail when specifically instructed to send them fed-ex ... failing to fix markups on plans and sending them out for construction ... drinking alcohol before coming in to work ... spending too much time away from his desk ...
among other things
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... drinking alcohol before coming in to work ...
Man... tough place to work!
Thats not allowed? :lol:
Pieter
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Well ... he left under other circumstances .. mainly for failing to follow instructions repeatedly ... for example sending out plans snail mail when specifically instructed to send them fed-ex ... failing to fix markups on plans and sending them out for construction ... drinking alcohol before coming in to work ... spending too much time away from his desk ...
Wow. Florida employers are picky.
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... drinking alcohol before coming in to work ...
Man... tough place to work!
Thats not allowed? :lol:
Pieter
We use the One Drink Max rule... :lol:
(http://www.prosoundweb.com/fun/Photofun/56_bigdrink.jpg)
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... drinking alcohol before coming in to work ...
Man... tough place to work!
Thats not allowed? :lol:
Pieter
It isn't allowed before work .. at lunch it is perfectly acceptable to have a nip or two .. we keep a bottle of aged scotch and a bottle of rum in the office for afternoon tea ..
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We use the One Drink Max rule... :lol:
Every time I see that photo reminds me when I was in the shipyard's welding school for Tig training. We thought heck we are in school and not doing anything dangerous, "Hey Waitress, pitcher a apiece". Was a hurtin puppy after trying to stare at that little arc, standing a 3x3 booth. Lesson learned the hard way. :-D