Topic: Wipeout. hate it or love it?

[dubb]

What can be done to improve the wipeout command. I really hate this command and I also like it. but i hate it because it doesnt act as it should. I like it because it helps me clean up my drawings. Are there any programs that any of you would like to show us. Techniques? I know there are problems with solid squares and draworder issues. What can be done so that we can just go on with the drawing and not have to worry about having to change a the layer to 255 and editing the pen settings. to me, doing such wil be a hassle. because not everybody knows how to work with wipeouts. why not just make it so when i wipe out, it will wipe out without having to adjust anything. or better yet..worry about anything. The reason why I'm looking for answers is because cad drawings go a looong ways. you never know who gets their hands on these drawings. then who is to blame? they end up saying, "do not use wipeout!" but they are very helpfull.

[LE]

I use wipeout's on my keynotes/details bubbles, as part of the block(s), then when I insert them into a drawing, I just call the command wipeout - frames - off.... and that have been worked for long time.... [if I need to place an arrow or something that is required to be below the wipeout, I just call the draworder to back....]

HTH.

[Krushert]

I just ran into my first issue with Wipeouts, xrefs and plotting.  Any ideals in how to fix it?

I have a floor plan that I xref into a file.  I then place a legend over a portion of the xref that was not applicable in the view in paper space.  Drew a wipewout to mask the portion of the xref that is under the legend.  Works great in both in model space and paper space.  Until I go to plot it.  The xref still shows up thru the wipe out. 

So far I like wipe out.

Can some post a poll on loving, hating Wipe outs.

[Oak3s]

sometimes a wipeout gets messed up (pdf's) if the wipeout is on a plottable layer.

[dan19936]

What can be done to improve the wipeout command.

A toggle for visibility of some sort of screen would be helpful. I don't use wipeouts except in blocks or grouped with textmask because they are too easy to lose. I typically use pen 255 for masking.

Dan

[dubb]

FOR MTEXT, I USUALLY TRY TO USE BACKGROUND MASK, WHICH DOESNT USE WIPEOUTS. BUT IN SOME CASES WHEN I PLOT TO LINES MERGE, IT DOESNT SEEM TO WORK NICELY. IF IT WOULD STILL WORK WHEN PLOTTING WITH LINES MERGE, IT WOULD BE NICE.

[Bryco]

I love wipeouts in hardware blocks.
It's not good to nest blocks with wipeout to far but wipeout seems to work better in blocks than by itself.
I use it in vba and it would nice for autocad to include wipeouts as a native object. (it thinks they are raster images)
Have seen the wipeout problem in pdf's and have no idea what to do with them.

[Maverick®]

I like that song Wipeout because it's easy to sing along too.

[Dinosaur]

I only use them in the form of Express Tools "textmask" and then only sparingly.  The idea is good, but I find them too unpredictable and very easy to forget when the text is erased or moved by a drafter not watching for them.  I also don't care for the results they give with mtext or with leader text and thanks to the numerous complaints I have heard concerning xrefs, which almost all of our work is based upon, their usefulness is extremely limited in our office.  I can't say I hate them, but I sure would like to see them behave consistently wherever they are applied.

[Kerry]

I like that song Wipeout because it's easy to sing along too.

it's an instrumental isn't it ?

[Slim©]

I like that song Wipeout because it's easy to sing along too.

it's an instrumental isn't it ?

Well yeah...     Ha Ha Ha Ha Wipeooout!

Easy words to remember.


Love the concept of wipeout, hate the unpredictability.

[hudster]

I voted hate it. I actually would love to use it, but until they get the drawing order to work correctly i can't use it.  Many a time it's hidden stuff it was meant to show.

[hudster]

I typically use pen 255 for masking.

Could you give us some instructions as to how you set this up, this is something i've never thought of doing.

***edit***
Scrath that, just seen your post in another thread.

[Shade]

I can't say I love wipeouts. There are issues I have with them too, but I use wipeouts extensively.
Most of the building I design are symmetrical, so I draw half the building and mirror it. The wipeouts are used where things differ in the plans.
   I use wipeouts in my doors and windows blocks also. They allow me to insert a door/window with out breaking the walls. This allows me to show a RCP without filling the opening for doors/windows back in.  I use wipeouts with the windows in elevations, thereby allowing me to move the window without re-hatching, or having associative hatching on.   Sure speeds up editing.

The key to wipeouts in drawing order. If you don’t get that right your screwed and a wipeout must also be on a printable layer, else things show through when plotting.

Hope my trick help......

[CADaver]

yes

[Maverick®]

  *Scratching head*  Why am I always in the lowest percentile?

[CADaver]

  *Scratching head*  Why am I always in the lowest percentile?

http://www.azchords.com/v/ventures-tabs-4628/wipeout-tabs-47830.html

[M-dub]

"Love" might not be the right word, but I think they do have their uses.

[Maverick®]

http://www.azchords.com/v/ventures-tabs-4628/wipeout-tabs-47830.html

  Ooooo, something shiny to play with tonight when I get home.  (although my neighbors will not like you much)

  *ambles off to leave this nice thread to the serious folk*

[MP]

I use 'em similar to Luis (entmaked in lisp driven block definitions/instancing) in spite of the fact they have been somewhat half baked in some versions of AutoCAD (e.g. plotting).

[dubb]

I HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN IDEA...WHY CAN WE USE A CLIP INSTEAD OF WIPEOUT. I KNOW CLIP ONLY WORKS ON BLOCKS. BUT CANT WE COME UP WITH SOME WAY TO CLIP ENTITIES IN A DRAWING? INSTEAD OF THE WIPEOUT ROUTINE. SO INSTEAD OF SOME WIPEOUT ITS A CLIP. I SAY GET RID OF THIS WIPEOUT AND MAKE IT ACT LIKE A CLIP INSTEAD. JUST A SUGGESTION. BECAUSE WITH A CLIP YOU YOU DONT NEED THE POLYLINE AREA AROUND WHAT YOU ARE CLIPPING. IS THIS POSSIBLE. HOW DOES A CLIP WORK?

[Bryco]

HOW DOES A CLIP WORK?
Good question. I'm gunna go for it acts like a viewport.
You can Clip-xrefs,blocks,images,v-ports,wipeouts.

[MP]

FOR MTEXT, I USUALLY TRY TO USE BACKGROUND MASK, WHICH DOESNT USE WIPEOUTS. BUT IN SOME CASES WHEN I PLOT TO LINES MERGE, IT DOESNT SEEM TO WORK NICELY. IF IT WOULD STILL WORK WHEN PLOTTING WITH LINES MERGE, IT WOULD BE NICE.

Code: [Select]

Private Declare Sub keybd_event _
    Lib "user32" _
    (ByVal virtualKeyCode As Byte, _
    ByVal stubbed As Byte, _
    ByVal flags As Long, _
    ByVal pointerToExtraInfo As Long)

Private Declare Function MapVirtualKey _
    Lib "user32" _
    Alias "MapVirtualKeyA" _
    (ByVal virtualKeyCode As Long, _
    ByVal translate As Long) _
    As Long

Private Declare Function GetKeyState _
    Lib "user32" _
    (ByVal virtualKeyCode As Long) _
    As Long
   
Private Const _
    VKC_CAPSLOCK = &H14, _
    TRANSLATE_TO_SCANCODE = 0, _
    SCANF_KEYUP = &H2, _
    SCANF_KEYEXT = &H1, _
    SCANF_KEYNOTEXT = &H0, _
    NULL_POINTER = 0
   
Sub StopShouting()
    If (GetKeyState(VKC_CAPSLOCK) And 1) Then
        Call keybd_event( _
            VKC_CAPSLOCK, _
            MapVirtualKey(VKC_CAPSLOCK, TRANSLATE_TO_SCANCODE), _
            SCANF_KEYEXT Or SCANF_KEYNOTEXT, _
            NULL_POINTER)
        Call keybd_event( _
            VKC_CAPSLOCK, _
            MapVirtualKey(VKC_CAPSLOCK, TRANSLATE_TO_SCANCODE), _
            SCANF_KEYEXT Or SCANF_KEYUP, _
            NULL_POINTER)
    End If
End Sub

Sub Main()
    Call StopShouting
End Sub

[whdjr]

I voted hate it. I actually would love to use it, but until they get the drawing order to work correctly i can't use it.  Many a time it's hidden stuff it was meant to show.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.
I agree 1000%!!!

[ronjonp]

I voted hate it. I actually would love to use it, but until they get the drawing order to work correctly i can't use it.  Many a time it's hidden stuff it was meant to show.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.
I agree 1000%!!!

Agreed....draworder is very unpredictable in AutoCAD.

[M-dub]

I voted hate it. I actually would love to use it, but until they get the drawing order to work correctly i can't use it.  Many a time it's hidden stuff it was meant to show.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.
I agree 1000%!!!

Agreed....draworder is very unpredictable in AutoCAD.

Good point, folks...
adjusting scorecard...
(Hate) ... 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ... 5 ... (Love)
(Hate) ... 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ... 5 ... (Love)

[dubb]

FOR MTEXT, I USUALLY TRY TO USE BACKGROUND MASK, WHICH DOESNT USE WIPEOUTS. BUT IN SOME CASES WHEN I PLOT TO LINES MERGE, IT DOESNT SEEM TO WORK NICELY. IF IT WOULD STILL WORK WHEN PLOTTING WITH LINES MERGE, IT WOULD BE NICE.

Code: [Select]

Private Declare Sub keybd_event _
    Lib "user32" _
    (ByVal virtualKeyCode As Byte, _
    ByVal stubbed As Byte, _
    ByVal flags As Long, _
    ByVal pointerToExtraInfo As Long)

Private Declare Function MapVirtualKey _
    Lib "user32" _
    Alias "MapVirtualKeyA" _
    (ByVal virtualKeyCode As Long, _
    ByVal translate As Long) _
    As Long

Private Declare Function GetKeyState _
    Lib "user32" _
    (ByVal virtualKeyCode As Long) _
    As Long
   
Private Const _
    VKC_CAPSLOCK = &H14, _
    TRANSLATE_TO_SCANCODE = 0, _
    SCANF_KEYUP = &H2, _
    SCANF_KEYEXT = &H1, _
    SCANF_KEYNOTEXT = &H0, _
    NULL_POINTER = 0
   
Sub StopShouting()
    If (GetKeyState(VKC_CAPSLOCK) And 1) Then
        Call keybd_event( _
            VKC_CAPSLOCK, _
            MapVirtualKey(VKC_CAPSLOCK, TRANSLATE_TO_SCANCODE), _
            SCANF_KEYEXT Or SCANF_KEYNOTEXT, _
            NULL_POINTER)
        Call keybd_event( _
            VKC_CAPSLOCK, _
            MapVirtualKey(VKC_CAPSLOCK, TRANSLATE_TO_SCANCODE), _
            SCANF_KEYEXT Or SCANF_KEYUP, _
            NULL_POINTER)
    End If
End Sub

Sub Main()
    Call StopShouting
End Sub

Excuse me for being a Noob but what is this code for?

[MP]

Excuse me for being a Noob but what is this code for?

If I answer that you're going to hate me. Have another read, favour the latter part.

 :whistle:

[dubb]

it looks like my CAPS are on...ahhaha...right?

[RbtDanforth]

I use a lot of wipeouts and xclips, any autocad before 2005, wipeouts are very problematic as I don't think they got draworder right.

Dino-you might checkout the masking in the text editor itself, the express tool adds a freestanding wipeout but when they redid the advances in the text (2005?) the masking is included in the text definition. as such when you erase the text the wipeout goes with it. It also is a lot more docile in that it stays under the text, something the express wipeout doesn't always do.

The only control issue I have is that when blocks are inserted they come in backwards. I have noticed this before with attributes (an old bug that seems to be cleaned up) but a block with a wipeout will come in with the wipeout on top and it is necessary to refedit it to push the wipeout to the back. This only seems to occur when the block is initially brought in or redefined.

As noted elsewhere I find them particularly useful in doors and windows in plan as well the sectionmarks etc that the text  is readable. Also in elevations, particularly with porch columns and railing, I used to xclip around columns but xcliping around railing can get tedious. And folk are seemingly always moving doors and windows "just over a few inches", easy with wipeouts, a real pain if someone has exploded the block and trimmed out all the stuff that now must be redrawn.