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Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« on: September 28, 2012, 05:27:34 PM »
First, have a look at this adndevblog post:

    http://adndevblog.typepad.com/autocad/2012/05/accessing-visible-entities-in-a-dynamic-block.html

Then, have a look at this Autodesk discussion group post (of which I wrote):

    http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/NET/Dynamic-block-question/m-p/2640949#M18132

 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

No wonder Microsoft made that Paste button on their ribbons so big :grin:

Of course, their terms of use states that they have the right to use what's posted on their discussion group server. But, it is the deliberate choice of refusing to credit their sources that is what collectively defines them (ADN, that is).





   
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owenwengerd

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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2012, 05:40:42 PM »
That is disappointing. I can understand copying your instructions to go along with the code, but there is no excuse for not crediting the source.

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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2012, 05:44:18 PM »
That is disappointing. I can understand copying your instructions to go along with the code, but there is no excuse for not crediting the source.

Thanks Owen.

That sort of thing has actually happened numerous times, but in most cases I didn't bother to even mention it. Perhaps that was a mistake.

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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2012, 06:02:49 PM »
I guess they figured that two years is long enough for a thread to stay dormant before they use it as their own :roll: ... and the whole "Here is a question once posted by an ADN member" was probably harder to come up with than a simple "A question was asked on the forums" along with a link.

It seems as though they went through extraordinary measures to ensure that you did not get credit.
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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2012, 09:50:34 AM »
I noticed this about a year or two ago, and remeber thinking 'Holy Sh** they did'nt even try to rearrange the words'.

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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 11:57:17 AM »
Was originally posted 2010-11-11
 
 
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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2012, 06:27:10 AM »
But, it is the deliberate choice of refusing to credit their sources that is what collectively defines them (ADN, that is).   

Seriously Tony? Do you really, truly believe that everyone at Autodesk is evil?<sigh>

Quite frankly your statement is downright offensive. But that really doesn't surprise me given your longstanding online behaviour.

I agree that Philippe should not have quoted your forum reply in a blog post without attributing the source. But to ascribe a simple mistake as some kind of Machiavellian move by Autodesk is just plain silly. You know how to email anyone at Autodesk if you know their first and last names. You could have simply emailed me, or Philippe, or even Kean and we could have put this right in a moment.

Now I'm aware that this has happened, I'll be sure to better educate my team members about accreditation, and I'll get the blog post fixed. Most of my team are new bloggers - and have technical rather than legal minds - so its not very surprising if one of us should make an occasional netiquette slip. I apologize that this happened. Perhaps you will now do me the courtesy of apologizing for your remarks about my team. (I won't hold my breath).

Cheers,

Stephen

PS Keith - FWIW That question was asked by an ADN member last week. I know this because I saw the question in our queue and didn't know the answer myself. Philippe searched for an answer and replied to him, and then decided to blog about it.

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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2012, 06:57:42 AM »
Stephen,
You may want to look at ADN Knowledgebase :
AutoCAD.Net: Accessing visible entities in a dynamic block
Published date: 2010-11-11
ID: PL20100516-1

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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 09:12:42 AM »
Thanks Kerry. That was written by the same person as the blog post. The DevNote was based on the forum post, the blog two years later was a migration of the DevNote. The DevNote will be deleted when we finish migrating them all to the blog. The blog post will be edited today.

But that doesn't give me any cause to edit anything in my reply to Tony. He made an offensive comment. Will he apologize for it?

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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 09:56:25 AM »
Stephen, I don't see Tony's comment as being offensive. Although his tone can sometimes be acerbic, I think that is more a reaction to how he feels about this and other issues that have cropped up on the ADN, particularly where his posts are concerned.

I've told him previously that I support Autodesk's right to use its sites as it sees fit. What you need to see from the myopic view that is Autodesk, the actions of the moderators many times borderline on offensive themselves.

I know for a fact that given the current situation, I would have been livid with a blogger for taking my post verbatim and posting it as their own. Not only does the post lend credibility to the blogger even though apparently he needed someone else to figure out the issue, but it flies in the face of fair play.

Tony is a very knowledgeable programmer and although you and others may not like his methods of making his point, his point is nonetheless valid. You can't insist someone apologize for the way they feel. It wouldn't be genuine. What you must do is work to change the culture that created the problem in the first place. A good start would be to educate bloggers on being fair minded.

One more thing to note, if your bloggers are as legally inept as you claim, you may wish to reconsider your choice for bloggers. If they copy the wrong thing, you can expect that the liability will be far reaching. I'm sure Autodesk doesn't tolerate people stealing their intellectual property, so why should they get a pass for doing the same?
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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 12:45:08 PM »
But, it is the deliberate choice of refusing to credit their sources that is what collectively defines them (ADN, that is).   

Seriously Tony? Do you really, truly believe that everyone at Autodesk is evil?<sigh>

Quite frankly your statement is downright offensive. But that really doesn't surprise me given your longstanding online behaviour.


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Tony -

First - my apologies... I'll be back to you shortly after a quick conversation with our tech support guys...

Cheers,
Jim Q

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Tanzillo [mailto:tony.tanzillo@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: January 29, 2001 8:01 PM
To: jim.quanci@autodesk.com
Subject: Re: How's things?

Okay - Now that I've paid my $600 and joined ADN, I suppose it's time to
talk.

Tell me something. Shouldn't I get some credit off of my $600 ADN
registration dues in return for allowing ADN to distribute sample code from
my web site without my permission?

In specific, I'm referring to this document:

adn/members/techsupp/solutions/29475.htm

Quoting from that same document:

"...In the attached ZIP file, you will find a sample (DEvents.zip)from the
courtesy of 'Tony Tanzillo' <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tonyt>."

Sheesh! And I'm paying you??????  :-\



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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2012, 12:07:15 AM »
Keith - We'lll have to agree to differ between acerbic and offensive :-). As I said in my previous post, although this was one person's mistake two years ago, now that I'm aware of it I am following up with everyone in my team to make sure they all understand about crediting sources (moat of them already do), and I have apologized to Tony on this forum that it did happen. Can I promise this will never happen again? No I can't. We have staff turnover like everyone else, and people sometimes make mistakes. But if someone makes a mistake again, I will have them fix it.

That would have been the end of it, but Tony's choice to use this to accuse the team I manage of having a deliberate policy of doing this is personally and professionally offensive to me. That really hurts. There's a big difference between a deliberate policy and one or two people making occasional mistakes over a period of 11 years, and its not something I was prepared to overlook.

Tony - I take it from your follow on post that you don't intend to apologize for that statement. That doesn't surprise me. It is surprising that you continue to work with Autodesk technology if you truly believe what you say about the company and its employees.

Anyway, I've said what I had to say now. I'm off to catch a plane.

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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2012, 07:46:28 AM »
... this was one person's mistake two years ago ...
The date stamp in the article is May 2012, so a little over four months before this thread was started.

Anyway, I've said what I had to say now. I'm off to catch a plane.
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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2012, 12:14:53 PM »
Imputing motive is what causes offense.
"deliberate choice of refusing to credit their sources" vs "not crediting their sources".
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Re: Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2012, 02:44:12 PM »
I apologize that this happened. Perhaps you will now do me the courtesy of apologizing for your remarks about my team. (I won't hold my breath).

Tony - I take it from your follow on post that you don't intend to apologize for that statement. That doesn't surprise me.

Stephen,

Respectfully, while you may be offended, and protective of your team, your requests for an apology come off quite disingenuous... Perhaps there's a more effective way to elicit the response you're after (though that opportunity may have already passed)... Especially, when you're the manager of the team that caused this little snafu, a public figure as it were, and represent ADN. :-)



... Also, for what it's worth:

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