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CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: ChrisCarlson on March 28, 2014, 03:59:12 PM
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Since I'm certain this will be searched with AutoCAD 2015 attempting to purge "Classic Mode" without much warning or headsup
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"menubar" - "1"
Save workspace
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Will bring back custom loaded menu bars
Although if you rely on Classic Mode I would seriously consider updating the antiquated system, the benefits to the ribbon far out weigh the cons :pissed:
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not really; as not ALL menu bar items are actually on all the ribbons
there are a few commands here and there that have been left out for some reason
and yes I know one can add them to the ribbon and move on - however autodesk
should not be in the business of telling people how they should use their software
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I "think" all menu commands have a ribbon version but not all of them are set to show by default.
It is in their right to force upgrade people. We are lazy, we'll set something up once and use it for life even if a better, more efficient way comes around. The only way to make people change is to coerce them. 2016 will be a different story when a new file format comes out (if they stick to their normal schedule).
At the end of the day AutoDesk is a company and if the market speaks by moving to another company, AutoDesk will change. However the people (including me) who have converted to an all ribbon environment have seen drawing times reduce.
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As users we aren't in charge of product development. We don't control what does or doesn't get put in the program. We are only in charge of determining if what the program does meets our needs. We can only hope that if the program goes too far out of the way the market would push development back in the other direction.
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Of course, as 'users', we're not 'customers' either. While a certain percentage (damifino what that number is though) of users are actual customers making buy/no buy decisions, they are small potatoes, and have a very limited 'voice'. (Even if there are a lot, they each speak for only a small number of licenses each)
Large purchase and subscription decisions are invariably made by non-users - CIO, CEO, CFO, etc. They are Autodesk's primary customers, and problems, glitches, weaknesses, strengths, benefits, advantages, etc are pretty much irrelevant to the deal makers.
disclaimer -- i'm both a user and a customer - but my single commercial license of ACAD software does not give me a voice that Carl Bass will ever hear.
Now, if Black & Veatch, CH2MHill, and a half dozen of other multi-thousand seat firms canned their subscription and switched to BricsCAD -- that CB would hear.
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Chris, you did make one very correct statement (or at least partially) Autodesk is a publicly owned company traded on the stock exchange, as such their number one goal is to meet sales projections and profit margins. They have been very clever at breaking up their product into many pieces to drive sales and therefore profits. They are just as clever at convincing users (not customers) that the ribbon menu is the only way to go to again drive more sales and profits. They are probably in development right now for a ribbon replacement to drive the next couple years of sales and again profits.
They have always been updating their dwg format to make downward compatibility an issue, they include just enough new content in each release to entice customers to keep the subscription up to date. Hell I used to be pretty quick with the digitizer menu system, could run it just ABOUT BLINDFOLDED....
My rant for the day.
PS, I personally own 2-seats of Autocad customer & user, my vote is lost also...
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Although if you rely on Classic Mode I would seriously consider updating the antiquated system, the benefits to the ribbon far out weigh the cons :pissed:
Show me! Where do i start learning? I've tried using the ribbon for a week, i could see no improvement over my simple custom menu.
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Really the ribbons kinda suck, I much prefer context sensitive Rt-Click functionality.
Add in the hassle of adding the stuff someone at autodesk decided to leave the menus, well they suck a bit more.
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Although if you rely on Classic Mode I would seriously consider updating the antiquated system, the benefits to the ribbon far out weigh the cons :pissed:
Show me! Where do i start learning? I've tried using the ribbon for a week, i could see no improvement over my simple custom menu.
I'm sure highly customized menu / toolbars are no match for anything AutoDesk can incorporate into CAD but for generic tasks such as, hatch creation / editing, array creation / editing or text editing the ribbon has proven invaluable. Depending on the frequency of inserting and manipulating TIFFs / JPEG's the contextual tools which become available are pretty decent as well.
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It was a bear to learn where everything is in the ribbons but once learned, not so bad. Not as fast as keyboard input though.
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All commands can be accessed through the command line thus there is no need for the ribbon or the classic menu bars so GET RID of them and free up some more screen real estate.
:roll: :roll:
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I want to switch from a 1500' x 1500' array of blocks with 24" spacing to a 1500' x 1500' array with 18" spacing, how do you do that with command line and without deleting and recreating the array? With the ribbon I only need to select the array and modify my column / row spacing
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I want to switch from a 1500' x 1500' array of blocks with 24" spacing to a 1500' x 1500' array with 18" spacing, how do you do that with command line and without deleting and recreating the array? With the ribbon I only need to select the array and modify my column / row spacing
I'd use the properties palette.
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I want to switch from a 1500 x 1500 array of blocks with 24" spacing to a 1500 x 1500 array with 18" spacing, how do you do that with command line and without deleting and recreating the array? With the ribbon I only need to select the array and modify my column / row spacing
easy -- all one needs to do is memorize all 15 gazillion commands, modifiers, and setvars and dimvars, and type really fast.
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I want to switch from a 1500' x 1500' array of blocks with 24" spacing to a 1500' x 1500' array with 18" spacing, how do you do that with command line and without deleting and recreating the array? With the ribbon I only need to select the array and modify my column / row spacing
I would select the array- and use the on screen grips
No Ribbon Required
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I want to switch from a 1500 x 1500 array of blocks with 24" spacing to a 1500 x 1500 array with 18" spacing, how do you do that with command line and without deleting and recreating the array? With the ribbon I only need to select the array and modify my column / row spacing
easy -- all one needs to do is memorize all 15 gazillion commands, modifiers, and setvars and dimvars, and type really fast.
I have better things I could memorize before all that.
Yes, you can modify the example with other methods but with a ribbon (property is essentially the same just a little handicapped) the required fields automatically appear and editing is a breeze. To each their own, to an extent, I suppose.
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To each their own, to an extent, I suppose.
Exactly. So I do not push it too much with my opinions. Just once in while to stir the pot.
Where I work I have 3 out 4 users (not counting myself in the mix) insist on not using Autocad Architectural because they do not like the ribbon and insist on not using it. So they end up losing out on the all the Detail Component Tools and Blocks that comes with ACA and are forced to draw individual lines and follow with a separate hatching or modifying commands. :ugly: :ugly:
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Notice he didn't not refute that the GRIP edit method as more efficient than even the ribbon..... :evil:
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Notice he didn't not refute that the GRIP edit method as more efficient than even the ribbon..... :evil:
I looovvveee the GRIP edit method. :-D
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I have yet to be able to master the grip method. If I array a block it seems my distance grip is located somewhere in between the base block and the first column / row block, rendering the distance grip useless.
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Although if you rely on Classic Mode I would seriously consider updating the antiquated system, the benefits to the ribbon far out weigh the cons :pissed:
Show me! Where do i start learning? < .. >
Looks like this got lost in the scuffle.
I don't have AC2015 yet Mark, So I can't help.
In other news, At least AutoCAD has several ways to do each thing usually. That's a good thing, right ?
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In other news, At least AutoCAD has several ways to do each thing usually. That's a good thing, right ?
Indeed it is. :)
I don't have AC2015 yet Mark, So I can't help.
Nor do I. I don't have AC2014 either. I am still using Windows XP! LOL
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Getting a little off tangent, I will say the new subscription only model will upset a few companies. The struggle I went through to convert this company from out-right purchase to "leasing" was an up-hill battle the entire way. I see a lot of companies who consider AutoCAD a capital expense and expect to get a few years out of each version.
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Mr. Carlson, please dont confuse features with interface. The ribbon is merely an interface access to features, as has been posted there are many methods to access these features. Personally I' rther hve the screen real estate than the ribbon open, but then again I take the time to heavily customize the keyboard interface to accomplish ALL the neccessary access to every needed feature.
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A screen real estate problem is solved with a larger monitor, it's not 2003, a 17" monitor is not adequate.
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Mr Carlson,
Even with my dual** 27's I want more modeling area than interface area. The size of the monitor is meaningless, rgardless of its size I want the MOST modeling area possible. The LESS the interface interferes with modeling the faster/better/more efficient is the production. Ribbons are collapsed and out of the way, certain necessary palletes like properties, layers, xref, and design center are relegated to the left monitor. Right monitor is nearly all modeling area usually divided into three viewports; two small ones on the left and a large viewport for primary modeling. The interface is heavily customized keyboard entry with a very few pull-downs or pop-ups. That is most efficient FOR ME and the production capabilities I need.
** Now that AutCAD has begun to look like Microstation with a multiplicity of 'palettes', a second monitor to contain those is useful. I can be just as productive without that second monitor, but others hamstrung by the plethora of screen eating interface 'junk' need the second monitor in which to model. a grudging acquiescence
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I miss my 3 monitors. :cry: :cry:
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I agree I have a small 15.1 screen on my laptop, and I'm probably more productive the way I manage toolbars, etc
than most with two large monitors and running around looking for dialogue boxes
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A screen real estate problem is solved with a larger monitor, it's not 2003, a 17" monitor is not adequate.
for some of us, the larger monitors merely compensate for loss of visual acuity. It's not 1993, and I'm not 33 years old.