Did any one talk to Mark about this (Im sure if someone from the ODCL team asked they could have had a forum--or all the tools--set up here with little trouble.)? I mean, i haven't researched the facts yet, but if i were calling the shots i would have asked another OPEN--related--project to ``team up''. ...I guess i don't understand the idea to create a separate forum when people who need lisp help come here anyways.