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KewlToyZ

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2008, 02:36:06 PM »
Disable the communication center to begin with.
If you want help or spammed blogs to your intwerface use your browser  :ugly:

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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Autodesk\AutoCAD\R17.2\ACAD-7006:409\Applications\InfoCenterAcConn]
"LOADCTRLS"=dword:00000000
"LOADER"="C:\\Program Files\\AutoCAD MEP 2009\\AcInfoCenterConn.DLL"
"DESCRIPTION"="AutoCAD InfoCenterAcConn addin"
"MANAGED"=dword:00000001

Me, I am disabling the ribbon.
I'll stick with pulldowns, toolbars, flyouts, & palettes.
I will however put the Quick Access Toolbar to good use  :kewl:
Once these are setup in cui & profile it runs pretty good.
I can toggle quick properties on or off.

Josh Nieman

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2008, 05:25:00 PM »
Select a linear dimension.

Right click.

How long has "Flip Arrow" been there?

How long have we been able to do that?

I must say.  THAT ROCKS.  Way too often, Autocad forces the arrows into a confusing mess, when chaining dimensions, and flipping them makes for awesomeness.

I hope this is new, and I wasn't able to do this before, because it'll make me feel better for just now noticing it, since they put it on the right click menu.  Pretty cool, either way.

Serge J. Gianolla

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2008, 05:58:26 PM »
Select a linear dimension.

Right click.

How long has "Flip Arrow" been there?

How long have we been able to do that?

I must say.  THAT ROCKS.  Way too often, Autocad forces the arrows into a confusing mess, when chaining dimensions, and flipping them makes for awesomeness.

I hope this is new, and I wasn't able to do this before, because it'll make me feel better for just now noticing it, since they put it on the right click menu.  Pretty cool, either way.

Back to 2006  :evil:

Serge J. Gianolla

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2008, 06:01:55 PM »
Actually I jumped from 2004 to 06, so it is even possible that 2005 already had it!

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2008, 09:37:21 PM »
Also, it seems that I can no longer have my command line at the top but underneath the tool bars. My life is ruined! This is how I like it!

Dinosaur

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2008, 09:42:05 PM »
I managed that configuration with the Ribbon but not with the menu bar active.

Josh Nieman

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2008, 09:06:30 AM »
Wow, that command line placement is pretty weird... not being able to have it BELOW the toolbars...

Was the "Flip Arrow" always on the right click menu, though?  I swear I don't think I've seen it there before, and I'm a right-click-menu fiend.

KewlToyZ

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2008, 10:59:19 AM »
I was able to have the ribbon and command line split the same screen area on the horizontal.
I wish I could do 2 or 3 toolbar levels next to the command line instead.
So far pull down menus and toolbars do everything I need and I don't see any advantage to the ribbon.

Serge J. Gianolla

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2008, 11:22:36 PM »
Was the "Flip Arrow" always on the right click menu, though?  I swear I don't think I've seen it there before, and I'm a right-click-menu fiend.
Yep on R-C menu.

Josh Nieman

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2008, 09:09:59 AM »
Was the "Flip Arrow" always on the right click menu, though?  I swear I don't think I've seen it there before, and I'm a right-click-menu fiend.
Yep on R-C menu.

*smacks forehead*

I guess I'm one of those users who only sees what he's looking for, and the rest of the stuff is just "in the way" :roll:  Time to open my eyes!

sinc

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2008, 10:00:09 AM »
Have you noticed the new MTEXT formatting?  Center/right/decimal justification tabs, control line spacing for individual lines in an MTEXT, etc.?  These were added in 2008, and I use them a fair bit.

jnieman

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2008, 11:30:11 AM »
Sorry to necro an old thread, but I figure there're plenty of threads, already, on general changes and additions to 2009 environment, without me starting another.


-------------LAYER MANAGER--------------------------

How is anyone getting along with the new layer manage?

I'd read that they will -NOT- have "classiclayer" in future releases, after 2009 (whether they change their mind or not, I dunno) so I have specifically NOT modified buttons and commands for the new layer palette, to open the classic... forcing myself to use, and get used to, the new.

I am finding it horrible to work with.  I can't find any other way for it to always be open other than have it docked to one side, on auto-hide.  This is fine for me, as I do that normally with other palettes (left; tool palettes, referece manager, properties.  Right; Visual styles, materials (when needed), design center, and now layers)

However, I find actually trying to WORK with the blasted thing is rediculous.  Adding more than one layer at a time is a pain.

1)  Hover mouse over bar on the right to expand the pallete
2)  Click 'new layer'
3)  Type in new name, enter to finish
4)  Click color to change layer color, color interface pops up, click color
5)  While I moved my mouse to the color picker, Layer Palette has no hidden again
6)  Hover mouse back over layer palette to expand it
7)  ???
8)  LOSS OF PROFIT!

Seriously there is a hesitation for the palette to open, and I have to suffer it every time I add a layer!  This is rediculous.  Horrible, horrible, horrible, foresight by the designers... and they want to force us to migrate to this new piece of crap?

It seems one mantra they had in mind for the new features was to keep everything hidden and  out of view, to free up desk space.  Great, all for it, I do the same, myself.  However, they make it so that it hides even when you NEED IT!

--------------QUICK VIEW LAYOUTS--------------------

So this is the replacement for the paperspace tabs, yea?

Quick view layouts... so now I have to click a button down at the bottom right of the screen (I'm getting used to the graphic changes, so am having to spend less time searching for which is which, now) to bring up quick view layouts... now I click which one I want, and it activates.

Not bad... it's an extra click, but not horrible.  I only have one layout per drawing 99% of the time, so it loads quick enough, and automatically disappears once you have activated a layout/model space, so it hides itself at the appropriate time.

However, managing viewports stinks.  This hiding crap DOES get in the way here.

1)  Click 'quick layouts' button
2)  Delete layout
3)  Interface hides so you have to restart the process to delete many layouts

1)  Click 'quick layouts' button
2)  Right click on one, select 'move or copy'
3)  It brings up the OLD window for moving/copying layouts.

We -just- got, in 2008, the ability to drag viewports on the layout-tab bar, to rearrange them.  We JUST got the ability to double click on the tab to rename it.  WHY, then, do they use -old- technology that they -know- users dislike, in their new product?  Why can we not drag and drop to rearrange layouts?!  The old move/copy window was bad enough that users repeatedly requesting a better way, and were seen as legitimate enough concerns to actually implement it... and one year later we are told to use this new way that incorporates the move/copy window that many of us hated?! 

Hint: you can turn the model/paper tabs back on, and I have, but I want to use the new technology and get used to it in the event that they make old ways unusable like the Layer Palette...

-------------Status Buttons (DYN, DUCS, OSNAPS, ORTHO, POLAR, etc)--------

New graphics which is a bit annoying, but whatever... tip of an iceberg.  One thing I did that helped me get used to it was click on the arrow on the far bottom right, to customize the status bar... and turned off all icons that I do not use.  Turned off snap, grid, ducs, dyn input, ortho, lineweight display... all I have is polar, osnaps, and otrack.  Those are the only three I ever change, and I actually never really change them, they just sometimes get reset by a rogue LISP or if I cancel out too soon or too hard during a command.

Additional status bar items : layout scale... added a "hide xref scales" which may not fix the problem, but at least it hides the symptom that bugged us all.  Gotta love that.  I keep it checked... of course there are times when it can be handy to use an xref scale, such as if I set up a custom scale, but that's really rare for me.

-------------Dark Color Scheme---------------

heh, contrary to most of what I see from people who bother to comment on it... I like it.

It matches my XP theme real close (Zune, dl'd from some MS site)

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That's about all the comments I got so far.

I'd like to know what people think about the layer palette though.  Has anyone gotten used to it and liked it yet?  If so, how do you use it, what problems did you run in to, and how did you overcome them?

deegeecees

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #72 on: July 21, 2008, 11:49:46 AM »
AutoCad 2009 migrated all my settings successfully, so I haven't had any problems so far... but I'm sure I'll find something.

AFA the Layer Manager, I use it in the same manner as I always have. I have the Layers Toolbar up, and frequently use the pulldown, but when needed, I just click on the LPM, and it works as it always has (non docked, non hidden).

KewlToyZ

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #73 on: July 21, 2008, 11:56:50 AM »
I haven't found an issue moving the command line to the top or the bottom.
I use the MdiTab17.arx file for drawing tabs as well which works nicely.
I have no real use for the Model/Paper buttons on the bottom and switch back to layout tabs for my default worspaces.

Stability?..... :lmao:
Crashes, memory leaks, I won't be doing a full implementation until I see if SP1 fixes MEP 2009.

I have gutted and gotten rid of the ribbon completely in every Enterprise Workspace.
The Ribbon poses no resource or productivity advantage at all, it actually detracts from performance.

Quick Access Toolbar - Awesome!

Hide menu's to the "A" - Kewl!

The Layer Manager Palette - Nice - not implemented for the MEP.cui, only the acad.cui

Civil Land Desktop files crash or hang indefinately with 2009 Vanilla & MEP constantly if any audit or recover is attempted.
Either new libraries or older versions. Its pretty insane.
Literally a complete waste of everyones time to implement if it isn't compatible or causes huge production slow downs.
LDT Needs to -ExportToAutoCAD if they send their files out to Clients, seriously, it can't possibly pose enough benefit vs. the obstacles it presents.

I would love to see the MEP tools go completely with Palettes like the Layer Manager, so far the same as ABS 2007...


jnieman

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Re: Anyone *like* 2009?
« Reply #74 on: July 21, 2008, 12:03:50 PM »
@Deeg:

Yea, I use the layer toolbar for changing active layer, assigning an object to new layer and such as well, still.

So as far as layer management (creating new, modifying existing [color, plot option, whatever] change ltypes...) you open the new layer manager, and then close it when done?

I may end up doing that... gotta admit, I was stuck on it being a palette and thus having to dock it... I never used palettes simply as a window, so I was too stuck-in-the-box-thinking about it and approached it close minded.

I'll keep that in mind for the other users when I give them a demo of the changes, when we upgrade... they'll just have to remember to his the "X" at the upper right/left instead of "OK"

@KewlToyZ

I haven't had an issue with memory leaks or crashes so far.  I do notice it uses a decent bit more CPU power even when 'idle' with one drawing open, than 2008, though.

Of course I'm not on MEP but vanilla.

I am not as keen on the menu's being hidden, as I often work in multiple drawings at a time, and use the "window" pull down to switch often... I haven't delved into Quick View Drawings yet, but will try it.

I'm not keen on the extra click the "A" takes, as well as the labyrinth-like mouse moving to get to the right place, either, is all