Yeah, ask it in the proper forum. Nevermind, I'll move you to it. Hmm. How do you intend to get the info out of the layer? I believe the activex route makes it easier, but I can't look, don't have cad here. I'm sure dxf will give it to you if it's not bylayer. I believe the dxf value you would look for is 62. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.