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Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: hyposmurf on February 20, 2005, 01:34:14 PM: Ive recently discovered that I can tab through my OSNAPS and realised as usual theres many ways of skinning the cat in CAD,even for OSNAPS.Wondering what method is most used by members and what the pros and cons are.It only allows me four options oin the poll!
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: paulmcz on February 20, 2005, 02:46:48 PM: (defun c:ss ()(command "osmode" 45)(princ))
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Keith™ on February 20, 2005, 10:58:27 PM: I generally set a few running osnaps then override as needed for those infrequently used ones such as tangent and parallel ..
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Big G on February 21, 2005, 05:08:46 AM: Quote from: Keith
I generally set a few running osnaps then override as needed for those infrequently used ones such as tangent and parallel ..

I pretty much use them in the same way. I have end and int constant then type the requd one out. (Hate Icons!! and never been a fan of shift-rt click)
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: jonesy on February 21, 2005, 06:04:40 AM: Quote from: Keith
I generally set a few running osnaps then override as needed for those infrequently used ones such as tangent and parallel ..

Me too, though I didnt realise the ctrl right click was there, will try that for a while instead of the toolbar at the side of the screen.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: SMadsen on February 21, 2005, 06:50:30 AM: This should be a multiple choice poll as all options can apply to different situations.

Usually have OSMODE to 45 and override if needed by typing. Rarely use menus for overrides unless my left hand is busy holding a phone or a cup of coffee. If snapping becomes ambiguous, Tab is used for searching out the point.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: nivuahc on February 21, 2005, 07:51:03 AM: Quote from: SMadsen
This should be a multiple choice poll as all options can apply to different situations.

Usually have OSMODE to 45 and override if needed by typing. Rarely use menus for overrides unless my left hand is busy holding a phone or a cup of coffee. If snapping becomes ambiguous, Tab is used for searching out the point.

Ditto what Stig said (http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/ac42.gif)
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: daron on February 21, 2005, 08:13:49 AM: Hypo, all you have to do is select the add poll button. I added the "other (please specify)" for you and then selected it. There is another option that I use. First, I set osmode to 6175, because I use polar at 15 degrees, which acts as nearest. I force feed perpendicular, because running it constant cause problems. It forces itself too often. Also, some options don't fare well in running mode, i.e. parrallel. Plus, I don't use mbuttonpan in pan-mode, which allows me to hit the middle button and avoid the use of shift-rt click. Then, I've grown accustomed to knowing the mnemonic of each snap and therefore, if I want to force perpendicular, I middle-click select p and get perp. Very quick and efficient.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: CADaver on February 21, 2005, 08:41:38 AM: When using extremely large xrefs, setting multiple running osnap can cause serious degredation in performance.

I use POP0 with hot keys defined; middlebutton+E = ENDPoint. I only set running osnaps when I know I'm going to need a particualr osnap or two for several commands; like node when working with surveys. (What idiot at AutoDESK decided that text should have NODE osnaps??)
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: David Hall on February 21, 2005, 08:52:30 AM: Quote from: Keith
I generally set a few running osnaps then override as needed for those infrequently used ones such as tangent and parallel ..

This is typically what I do as well.

BTW, whats the difference BT shift-rt click and ctrl-rt click
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Big G on February 21, 2005, 09:04:23 AM: Quote from: CADaver
(What idiot at AutoDESK decided that text should have NODE osnaps??)

Why oh why oh why. Really annoying!!!
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: David Hall on February 21, 2005, 09:13:41 AM: Quote from: Big G
Quote from: CADaver
(What idiot at AutoDESK decided that text should have NODE osnaps??)

Why oh why oh why. Really annoying!!!

I get INSert osnap for Text. Could it have something to do with your Point data in your survey?
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: MikePerry on February 21, 2005, 09:31:32 AM: OSMode = 97

The use a combination of -

Set OSMode transparently within a command via keyboard
Directly type required OSnap setting via keyboard
Tab Key
OSnap Menu
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: CADaver on February 21, 2005, 09:34:09 AM: Quote from: CmdrDuh
I get INSert osnap for Text. Could it have something to do with your Point data in your survey?
INS will find the INSertion point of text, but in newer releases, the "other" corners of text are now NODE osnaps. BRILLIANT bloody move that was. Had I wanted a lame, ham-handed bit of software, I'd have bought Microstation to begin with.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Dinosaur on February 21, 2005, 09:43:21 AM: I do believe that there are intersections defined anywhere around the whole frame where text overlays a line as well.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Bob on February 21, 2005, 10:05:11 AM: I have endpoint midpoint and intersection running, then ctrl right for the more interesting ones.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: ronjonp on February 21, 2005, 10:09:07 AM: I use endpoint and insertion frequently so I made F3 and F4 these snaps. As Cadaver said, if you have running osnaps in large drawings with many xrefs, performance is a real issue so I almost never have running osnaps on.

Ron
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: SPDCad on February 21, 2005, 10:09:30 AM: I have a combination of osnaps always on, and I circle thru them with 'CTRL' when I need a specific one and it is not showing right away.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: hyposmurf on February 21, 2005, 11:18:39 AM: Quote from: Daron
Hypo, all you have to do is select the add poll button. I added the "other (please specify)" for you and then selected it. There is another option that I use.

I had an option for "I dont use OSNAPS" but it seemed to only alow me four poll choices.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: sinc on February 21, 2005, 11:35:21 AM: This is somewhat OT, more on the lines of a tip...

But FWIW, I think I've finally started to figure out why I seem to have a problem with the APPINT OSNAP not working sometimes, particularly with drawings I get from architects (at least in 2004). I think it has something to do with the extended objects created by vertical apps such as ADT and LDD.

I think the way the bug works is that it is impossible to select one of these objects as the first item in an APPINT if the item is in an XREF. I know I have this problem a lot with stuff I get from architects, and I think I've also had the problem with things like alignments. As an example, say I have an alignment in an XREF. There's a line crossing it. I can get the intersection of the line and alignment by using APPINT if I select the line first, then the alignment. However, I can't select the alignment first; the alignment is invisible to the APPINT OSNAP. This is only a problem for the first item; I can select the alignment as the second item with no problem. Also, other OSNAPs such as NEAR and the normal intersect seem to have no problem.

This problem doesn't crop up much with Land, but it does with stuff from architects, where whole sides of buildings are some special ADT object. I've discovered I can fix the problem by going into the architect's drawing and exploding the offending items.

I may not quite have all the details of the bug right, but it was annoying the hell out of me for quite a while until I noticed this much of the pattern.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: t-bear on February 21, 2005, 11:42:51 AM: In mechanical there is a power osnap toolbar allowing the user to set four different osnap combos. So for set 1, I have end,cen....for 2, I have end, cen, qua, ins.... for 3, I have nid, quad ins, perp and for 4, I have none...........
Like anything else in CAD, it's a matter of what works for each individual...........The Bear hates the keyboard.................................. LOL
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: CADaver on February 21, 2005, 11:43:09 AM: Quote from: sinc
I think the way the bug works is that it is impossible to select one of these objects as the first item in an APPINT if the item is in an XREF. I know I have this problem a lot with stuff I get from architects, and I think I've also had the problem with things like alignments.
It'll have a problem with stacked elements (lines on top of lines) as well.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Dinosaur on February 21, 2005, 11:47:58 AM: I find the APPINT will never select the first entity if there are 2 or more overlaying objects although it will accept OK for the second.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Crank on February 21, 2005, 01:51:36 PM: I have the osmode set to 0.
Since release 11 I use the function keys to snap. It took me about 4 hours to get used to.

When Autodesk came with their solution, I've tried that, but I still prefer my method:
F1 = int,end
F2 = cen,mid
F3 = per,qua
F4 = ins,nod
F5 = near
F6 = app,tan

I also made alias commands like C:INT,END for frequently used commands, so I also can start these with the the F-keys.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: whdjr on February 21, 2005, 02:04:09 PM: magic number is 6387 :)

I have these set always unless specificly doing a different task.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: t-bear on February 21, 2005, 03:26:06 PM: So few of you use the cen osnap that I can only assume that most of you are flat-worlders (2D) or architectural (everything's a flippin BOX to them!) I'd be lost in a piping development without it...........CADaver, you feel the same?
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: nivuahc on February 21, 2005, 04:01:58 PM: I suppose I should clarify and say that I use 51 as my setting. I rarely have a need for anything else (electrical drafting, go figure). When I do need something else I'm a keyboard mad CAD ninja.

Unless I'm holding a cup of coffee.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: MikePerry on February 21, 2005, 05:17:59 PM: Quote from: CADaver
INS will find the INSertion point of text, but in newer releases, the "other" corners of text are now NODE osnaps. BRILLIANT bloody move that was. Had I wanted a lame, ham-handed bit of software, I'd have bought Microstation to begin with.
Hi

System variables for AutoCAD 2005 users only ->

OSnapNodeLegacy
OSnapHatch

Have a good one, Mike
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: TimSpangler on February 21, 2005, 05:35:05 PM: I run 679 al the time with tracking running as well. I set the thumb button of my mouse to "Middle Button" and that opens the snap menu for over rides. THe one I use alot is "Middle" (a costom addition). My snap Menu has been reduced for speed>

My Snap Menu (http://www.theswamp.org/lilly_pond/timspangler/Osnap.JPG?nossi=1url)
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Gliderider on February 22, 2005, 07:20:23 AM: I have an old Gateway Anykey key board, and have programmed some of the function keys for the most commomly used osnaps. I use a scaled down toolbar for the rest.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Artisan on February 22, 2005, 08:01:02 AM: I have my osmode set at 255. I use an array of different methods to get what I need sometimes. I use the tab button, short cut menu and control button. I have created a few simple shortcuts that let me get to the command I want. I use "LM" which is line;midpoint. I also have a few others like "LE", "LC" and so forth.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: CADaver on February 22, 2005, 08:32:02 AM: Quote from: t-bear
So few of you use the cen osnap that I can only assume that most of you are flat-worlders (2D) or architectural (everything's a flippin BOX to them!) I'd be lost in a piping development without it...........CADaver, you feel the same?
And quadrant as well, how else would you find the BOP elev. or the Invert Elev. I use CENter quite a lot, but spending a lot of time in the structural end of things, I probably use QUA a lot more.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: ELOQUINTET on February 22, 2005, 08:33:18 AM: i use a combonation of ways. my osmode is 127 which i have assigned to the f4 key or i can type in my initials. i toggle between on and off using f3 and f4 alot. if i need another i use the right click menu. don't use toolbars i used to type them and now i have too many for other stuff.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: CADaver on February 22, 2005, 08:33:55 AM: Quote from: MikePerry
[System variables for AutoCAD 2005 users only ->

OSnapNodeLegacy
OSnapHatch

Have a good one, Mike

Thanks Mike. Now if it just came out of the box properly set.... nah.... just something else to set in the drawing setup.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: MikePerry on February 22, 2005, 08:49:07 AM: Quote from: CADaver
Now if it just came out of the box properly set.... nah....
Hi CADaver

Where would be the fun in that ;-)

Cheers, Mike
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: Big G on February 22, 2005, 08:53:09 AM: when does it EVER come out of the box properly set??
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: CADaver on February 22, 2005, 09:30:05 AM: Quote from: Big G
when does it EVER come out of the box properly set??
I guess if it did, we'd never know it was there. It's only when something is broken, we seek a solution, right? :blink:
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: PDJ on February 22, 2005, 01:30:20 PM: I use running snaps pretty much alla time. If the snaps are selecting wrong, I just roll the wheel which zooms me in or out. I also have one row of keys on my Nos setup with my fav snaps.

As for a choice in the poll of "I don't use O'Snaps", that's the sign of a non-cad operator. That should be a crime punishable by having to listen to 8 hours of RoseAnne singing show tunes.

I've also got a short lisp routine I wrote to reset my fav o'snaps because it seems there are some lisp routines I use that always reset them to something else and don't put them back as they were.. GRRRrrr....
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: daron on February 22, 2005, 01:38:44 PM: Funny you mention that, PDJ. The garbage add-on I'm forced to use currently, totally wrecks my osnap settings always. Just the other day, I wrote a vba event that flips 6175 back on whenever a lisp in started and ended. Problem solved.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: SDETERS on February 22, 2005, 02:05:11 PM: Different stroke different folks. But I use accelerator keys for my osnaps. I usuall have control 1 be cen inter. and or control 2 is like end and midpoint. I think when I am working with my right hand on the mouse I use the left hand for accelerator keys and such.
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: hyposmurf on February 22, 2005, 02:23:44 PM: Quote from: PDJ
I use running snaps pretty much alla time. If the snaps are selecting wrong, I just roll the wheel which zooms me in or out.

Like me Ive learnt to let them run and then zoom in and out for the snap I want.After seeing the other methods of selecting your OSNAPS I wondered if I was if I was using them incorrectly and was curious to see others methods, so I posted the the poll.Appears theres two other membsr who work like me:)

Quote from: PDJ

As for a choice in the poll of "I don't use O'Snaps", that's the sign of a non-cad operator. That should be a crime punishable by having to listen to 8 hours of RoseAnne singing show tunes.

Thats why tried to incorporate it on my original poll :twisted: .
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: t-bear on February 22, 2005, 03:07:50 PM: CAB....
Funny you should mention the osnaps on your N52.... I had them there for a while but there were so many other things I wanted to run from it that I gave up. Now all four modes are full and I'm thinking of buying another one ..... :horror: maybe for my foot or sumpin' ?......... :roll:
Title: How do you use OSNAPS?
Post by: PDJ on February 22, 2005, 06:14:07 PM: Quote from: t-bear
CAB....
Funny you should mention the osnaps on your N52.... I had them there for a while but there were so many other things I wanted to run from it that I gave up. Now all four modes are full and I'm thinking of buying another one ..... :horror: maybe for my foot or sumpin' ?......... :roll:

Must be terrible gettin old.. I'm the one what mentioned the Nos T-Bear..

I was lookin at a thing that fits over your hand with fingers and all.. My wife was like "You don't need that, you don't play games anymore!" and I told her I was lookin at it for AutoCad work.. Now, have that glove on your hand with commands built into the finger movements and combing that with the Nos pad... That could get crazy...