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Title: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: drizzt on June 29, 2010, 10:13:47 AM
One of the surveyors here has a LDT 07 file with a huge number of points. He has them all organized into seperate layers and colors for his use. Is there a way to import these points into Civil3D 2010 and keep the layer / colors etc...
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: mjfarrell on June 29, 2010, 10:22:21 AM
One of the surveyors here has a LDT 07 file with a huge number of points. He has them all organized into seperate layers and colors for his use. Is there a way to import these points into Civil3D 2010 and keep the layer / colors etc...
Back up the File...

Open it in Civil 3D....and leave them alone...all will remain GOOD....

If you convert them to C3D points...Points>>>Create>>>Convert Softdesk Point Blocks....AND you do NOT have your Description Keys completely set up up....they will MUTATE on you in undesirable ways...

unless you toggle off the Points Creation Settings Expand the drop Down Chevrons on upper right and set the Poit Creation Parameters to Match Description Paramters  FALSE, and Disable Description Keys to TRUE

and have a nice day...

or if you ONLY want to use those points in a surface, bring them in under the surface definition collection (browse to the Project Name/Points.mdb file you want) POINT FILES and move forward.
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: mjfarrell on June 29, 2010, 10:32:56 AM
although...the Label components...portion of the Point Style/Point Label Style will limit you to one layer
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: drizzt on June 29, 2010, 11:31:39 AM
This will save the layers the points are on??
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: mjfarrell on June 29, 2010, 11:39:04 AM
This will save the layers the points are on??

IF you open it as a file...and turn off the Description Key stuff...they will look just like the cad objects they are in Land....only after that IF you convert them...the label portion skacks you backwards and forces use of single layer for ALL label components within that style....

(I think the SINCPAK amends to this function)??? SINC?

so if you just want them pretty layers and colors...for cad....leave them in autocad...DONT CONVERT to point objects, and don't apply DESCKEYS

if you need their 'data' for a surface...I would use the old project point MDB file....and only insert them into the surface definition


clear as crude oil, right?
if you need them
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: drizzt on June 29, 2010, 12:21:10 PM
actually that makes sense. I could just xref the 07 file into a 10 file, convert the points, and if I need to see the colors / layers i could look at the xref. To take it a step further, I could create point groups to match the layer / colors in 07, then I would be able to control visibiltiy.... right?
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: mjfarrell on June 29, 2010, 12:42:36 PM
actually that makes sense. I could just xref the 07 file into a 10 file, convert the points, and if I need to see the colors / layers i could look at the xref. To take it a step further, I could create point groups to match the layer / colors in 07, then I would be able to control visibiltiy.... right?
exactly...with the condional exception...that the point label style is style going to place ALL label components in that style on a singel layer.

You wouldd be best to move away from Layer Visibilty thinking...

and turn towards the light of Object Style(s) controling the visibility....with the additional optional control of layer if desired....

ortherwise remember If one doesn't like the way something looks or what is displayed withing C3D, give it a NEW style that behaves as desired....

And for point groups display control...remember that the order they appear hear controls how the user sees what point style...use arroews to oder point groups as desired
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: sinc on June 29, 2010, 12:48:39 PM
You wouldd be best to move away from Layer Visibilty thinking...

and turn towards the light of Object Style(s) controling the visibility....with the additional optional control of layer if desired....

ortherwise remember If one doesn't like the way something looks or what is displayed withing C3D, give it a NEW style that behaves as desired....

I actually don't agree with that, completely.

I don't view it as an either/or choice.  By contrast, we use layers and styles in conjunction, to gain an extreme amount of control over visibility.  We regularly use BOTH layers and styles to achieve our desired effects.

So while the Styles are important, we don't consider them a "replacement" for layers.
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: drizzt on June 29, 2010, 01:06:52 PM
Sinc,

when you convert the points from 07, how do you get them onto a desired layer?
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: mjfarrell on June 29, 2010, 01:17:45 PM
SINC I think we agree that Style is First and Layer is a(n) Additional control. 
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: sinc on June 29, 2010, 02:36:04 PM
Sinc,

when you convert the points from 07, how do you get them onto a desired layer?

It's never come up for us.  We've been using C3D since 2007 was the current release.
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: drizzt on June 29, 2010, 04:41:03 PM
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It's never come up for us.  We've been using C3D since 2007 was the current release.

Even whith LDT 2007 and Civil3D 10?
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: Jeff_M on June 29, 2010, 05:47:06 PM
From the help for "Convert LDT Points":
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To keep the existing layers referenced by the Land Desktop points, select Preserve Original Point Layer.
Note When this check box is checked, the existing layer of the Land Desktop point is assigned to the AutoCAD Civil 3D point when it is converted. If the Points Creation\Disable Description Keys setting is set to False, and the Land Desktop point matches a description key, the original point layer will still be preserved.
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: drizzt on June 29, 2010, 06:02:16 PM
dOUGH I should have checked the help!!! :ugly:
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: mjfarrell on June 29, 2010, 06:10:35 PM
From the help for "Convert LDT Points":
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To keep the existing layers referenced by the Land Desktop points, select Preserve Original Point Layer.
Note When this check box is checked, the existing layer of the Land Desktop point is assigned to the AutoCAD Civil 3D point when it is converted. If the Points Creation\Disable Description Keys setting is set to False, and the Land Desktop point matches a description key, the original point layer will still be preserved.

thanks Jeff...I'm wondering how I've missed seeing that option....as it's been around awhile too... :|

I need to get out and work on some real projects for a while I guess.
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: drizzt on June 29, 2010, 06:12:57 PM
I just want to take the time to thank all you guys, I am not sure I would still have a job with out you all.
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: mjfarrell on June 29, 2010, 06:19:51 PM
Hey!  Wait a MINUTE...if it can do this to Land Desktop points during conversion.....????? why in the wild world of sports doesn't the point or point label style support this function 'normally'?   

Am I crazy or what here? :-o
Title: Re: import points from 07 to 10
Post by: sinc on June 29, 2010, 07:51:54 PM
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It's never come up for us.  We've been using C3D since 2007 was the current release.

Even whith LDT 2007 and Civil3D 10?

Except to answer questions on forums, I don't think I've even started up LDD for at least two years now.

All of our Land Desktop projects are either dead or were converted to C3D several years ago.  And when we get engineering plans that were created in LDD, they typically do not contain Cogo Points.  Occasionally, we've gotten the original design survey along with a construction layout, and we've converted those points to C3D points.  But that's only to check what we find in the field against the design survey; we haven't really use the points other than that.  So we didn't really care what layer they were on; we only wanted to be able to create a CSV dump of the points, so the field surveyor could check points as-needed.

So it really is an issue that has just never come up for us.